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Offline AndyUK

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2016, 07:36 AM »
I'm not being pedantic here Danbox but I don't buy your theory that plate glass and attempting to slide a piece of paper into each corner is the comprehensive way to check a plane sole. Yes It would pick up on one or more of the corners not being flat but it wouldn't pick up wear down the centre of a plane sole that had been worn due to excessive edge jointing. Would it?   
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Offline danbox

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2016, 07:41 AM »
I went and hung a few doors this morning before the Grand Prix started.
I used a 5 1/2 Jack plane to shoot the edges in, the shavings just rolled off in one piece.
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I then just used a No 4 Smoothing plane to finish the edge, the shavings from this plane are so fine...
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I also have plane socks for ones i use on site to offer some protection, they also have other uses to....
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Offline danbox

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2016, 07:44 AM »
I'm not being pedantic here Danbox but I don't buy your theory that plate glass and attempting to slide a piece of paper into each corner is the comprehensive way to check a plane sole. Yes It would pick up on one or more of the corners not being flat but it wouldn't pick up wear down the centre of a plane sole that had been worn due to excessive edge jointing. Would it?   

Well this is how Paul Sellers taught me to check a plane many years ago so i'll stick with it. It might even be in one of his videos so I'll have a check and get back to you.

Offline AndyUK

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2016, 07:53 AM »
Ok ok danbox I now believe you have an envious collection of Lie Nielson bench planes and I'm kinda jealous.  [smile]
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Offline RKA

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2016, 08:07 AM »
I've been following this thread in the hopes of learning something, and I have.  But looking at the pics above, not I also have a serious case of plane envy!
-Raj

Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2016, 09:29 AM »
I have accumulated a nice selection of old bailey and Stanley planes.

It doesn't take much effort to flatten the soles, flatten the back of the iron and get to making shavings.

All I use is a small granite surface plate, some wet sandpaper and some high spot blue.

Offline ear3

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2016, 10:29 AM »
Based on those images, tt looks like the smoothing plane is not far off for me @danbox .  Question: is it relatively easy to keep a 90 degree angle when shooting those long edges with the jack plane?  One of the things I want to use it for is to make a glue ready joint when I'm edge joining thicker pieces in a butcher block type application.  I still occasionally get saw marks when I rip things 6/4 and above on the table saw, and I don't have a jointer.  Or is it better to have a jointer plane for this? 

I went and hung a few doors this morning before the Grand Prix started.
I used a 5 1/2 Jack plane to shoot the edges in, the shavings just rolled off in one piece.
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I then just used a No 4 Smoothing plane to finish the edge, the shavings from this plane are so fine...
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I also have plane socks for ones i use on site to offer some protection, they also have other uses to....
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Offline rvieceli

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2016, 11:45 AM »

Offline danbox

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2016, 01:54 PM »
Based on those images, tt looks like the smoothing plane is not far off for me @danbox .  Question: is it relatively easy to keep a 90 degree angle when shooting those long edges with the jack plane?  One of the things I want to use it for is to make a glue ready joint when I'm edge joining thicker pieces in a butcher block type application.  I still occasionally get saw marks when I rip things 6/4 and above on the table saw, and I don't have a jointer.  Or is it better to have a jointer plane for this? 

I went and hung a few doors this morning before the Grand Prix started.
I used a 5 1/2 Jack plane to shoot the edges in, the shavings just rolled off in one piece.
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I then just used a No 4 Smoothing plane to finish the edge, the shavings from this plane are so fine...
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I also have plane socks for ones i use on site to offer some protection, they also have other uses to....
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If you've cut the board on the table saw then I presume that the edge is already at 90 degree's and you just want to have the edge ready for glue up. The Jack plane is fine for this, I saw you post just as I was tiding up, I had a piece of oak that had a sawn edge on it so I ran the 5 1/2 jack plane over it to show you.
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I ran over the edge about 4 to 5 times to this
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Then a couple more, I backed the blade off just a touch for some finer shavings and the edge now look like this, it's so smooth.
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I'd happily recommend this as your first plane as its a great all rounder, I don't know if you know who Paul Seller's is but I see he now has quite a few video's on youtube so they are defiantly worth watching if your just getting into hand tools and want to learn more about the different types of hand planes.
I can plane a board by hand to 90 degree without a guide quite well but this is just from practice, I do however have a set of bronze Lie Nielsen edge planes if I need to ensure total accuracy, or an adapter like to one above will work fine.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2016, 02:04 PM »

Offline ear3

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2016, 03:03 PM »
Thanks for the follow up pictures @danbox and for the jointer fence reference @rvieceli
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Offline Holmz

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2016, 03:34 PM »
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I also have plane socks for ones i use on site to offer some protection, they also have other uses to....
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You need a caption for it, or could start a marionette show.
And those long curls could be used for some scroll notes.

What about the Japanese pull planes?
And I like the wooden ECE jobs.

Offline mike_aa

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2016, 06:35 PM »
Here you go:

http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=41716&cat=1,41182
Just a heads up, Lee Valley has free shipping until June 6th.

Mike A.

Offline mrFinpgh

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2016, 10:54 PM »
In complete contrast to the beautiful and excellent Lie Nielsen planes (my favorite crosscut saw is a Lie Nielsen), you might drag yourself into a harbor freight  [eek] to buy one of their cheap smoothing planes.

Once you get home and wash off the smell, grind a generous camber into the blade and set it up to take an aggressive cut.   It's remarkable what an effective scrub plane it makes.  I used one the other day to put a 3/4" / 8" taper on some thick oak in a matter of minutes.

Congrats on the #62.


-Adam


Offline ear3

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2016, 06:24 PM »
I've been looking around on Ebay at LN planes just to see, and am sort of blown away at the resale value.  Some guy is selling a scrub plane right now that with the shipping is only $4 less than what one would pay for it new direct from LN.
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Offline rst

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2016, 08:28 PM »
Ed, you are absolutely right about EBay and Lie Neilsen.  I've been stalking Ebay for at least a year, and the only deal that I found was a scraping plane that I bought for $35.00 cheaper than direct.  I still lurk but finally gave up and bought their Rabbet Block Plane w/Nicker direct from them.  I bought what was advertised as a 4 1/2 bench plane but it was actually a scrub plane.  I still paid less than direct and I'm planning to use it.   [embarassed]  Almost forgot, I did get a chisel plane for a decent price.  My next purchase is going to be their Low Angle Jack Rabbet Plane.  Their tools are every bit as addictive as Festool,you use one and then it's like "how good must the other ones be??".

Offline ear3

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2016, 02:04 PM »
I accidentally called Lie Nielsen this morning and added the adjustable mouth block plane to my order.
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Offline Tinker

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2016, 02:42 PM »
I accidentally called Lie Nielsen this morning and added the adjustable mouth block plane to my order.

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Offline danbox

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2016, 02:46 PM »
If you thought buying Festool products was addictive now that you have your first Lie Nielsen plane things are about to get serious....

Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2016, 03:21 PM »
If you thought buying Festool products was addictive now that you have your first Lie Nielsen plane things are about to get serious....

... and they don't even have on/off switches!

Of course, you won't spend as much for accessories and consumables with Lie Nielsen.  Once you've got the planes in hand, you can redirect your budget back to buying Festool sandpaper, dominos, vacuum bags, MFT tops, hoses, guides, clamps, et al.


Offline jbasen

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2016, 04:30 PM »
I accidentally called Lie Nielsen this morning and added the adjustable mouth block plane to my order.

Bronze, Steel, and Cherry tools are just as addictive as green ones [wink]

Offline ear3

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #51 on: June 03, 2016, 02:35 PM »
Since I have nothing else to do but twiddle my thumbs and imagine the possibilities as I wait for the planes to arrive, wondering if anyone has tried out the Veritas jointer fence on their other planes? I'm going to get comfortable with the jack plane before I get into something heavier like a jointer or fore plane, which means I will probably do some edge planing work with the jack, and so am wondering if the jointer fence might be a good investment?

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Offline danbox

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #52 on: June 03, 2016, 03:03 PM »
Why have plastic when you can have gold...


What did you buy in the end?

Offline ear3

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2016, 03:19 PM »
What is that gold plane?  That's some kind of money shot there...

Got the LN 62 low angled jack and the 60 1/2 block

EDIT: Is this it?: https://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/skew-block-plane-left Never mind.  Doesn't have the in-built fence

Why have plastic when you can have gold...
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What did you buy in the end?
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2016, 03:42 PM »
@danbox
Is that considered to be a right hand model?

Offline danbox

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2016, 04:17 PM »
What is that gold plane?  That's some kind of money shot there...

Got the LN 62 low angled jack and the 60 1/2 block

EDIT: Is this it?: https://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/skew-block-plane-left Never mind.  Doesn't have the in-built fence

Why have plastic when you can have gold...
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What did you buy in the end?

It's not really gold. It's a Lie Nielsen bronze edge plane. The low angle jack plane is a great all round plane. You should get one of the hot dog handles so that you can use it on a shooting board.

Offline ear3

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #56 on: June 03, 2016, 04:22 PM »
Next up might actually be the LN beading tool:

https://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/special-purpose-tools/bronze-beading-tool-and-blade-set?node=4076

My house is from the 1930s, and has this custom base cap moulding that doesn't match any profile I've ever encountered -- and I've flipped through a lot of moulding catalogs looking for it.  When my Dad was still living in the house he had some contractor redo a wall next to the bathroom, and for whatever reason they never replaced the base cap, so there's a four foot section that has to be remade.  There's not enough missing to justify getting a custom profile router/shaper bit manufactured, but with the beading tool I might be able to recreate it in combination with a table saw.
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Offline danbox

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #57 on: June 03, 2016, 04:23 PM »
@danbox
Is that considered to be a right hand model?

Left Hand.
Left hand on the plane with right hand thumb on the indent at the front.
But you can lay the board flat and plane the edge vertically, it's best to see what's comfortable, I'm right handed but have both the left and right hand version.

Offline neilc

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #58 on: June 03, 2016, 04:28 PM »
Edward, you have the LN bug!

Offline ear3

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Re: Hand plane 101
« Reply #59 on: June 03, 2016, 04:32 PM »
Which is most comfortable for you as someone who is right handed?  This plane actually might be useful for a lamp I'm making, where I have some pieces that would be too small for a larger plane.

@danbox
Is that considered to be a right hand model?

Left Hand.
Left hand on the plane with right hand thumb on the indent at the front.
But you can lay the board flat and plane the edge vertically, it's best to see what's comfortable, I'm right handed but have both the left and right hand version.
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