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Offline jmbfestool

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High Quality Chisels
« on: December 26, 2011, 04:25 PM »
Well I have just lost another one of my marple chisels!  This is the second one and it was my main one! 

Sooooooo..... I need to replace them!   Now instead of replacing them with the same ones I have decided to go for some nice set of chisels!

Me and Deansocial have been discussing this last couple days a lot!  MAN! I didnt know their was so many different types of chisels!  Different types of steels,alloys, handles etc


Well these are the Chisels I have been looking at!   BUT like I said me and Dean have been researching and discovering advantages and disadvantages with different types of steel!

These ones are my fav but the price is a little alarming!


Seems a nice set and better priced!



These MHG have cought my eye!


Also Two Cherries look nice!



We have read about these HSS chisels which is a new material to be used in chisels and can get a nice sharp edge but also take a beating.

JMB
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Offline Deansocial

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2011, 04:34 PM »
i thing to consider is sharpening. how easy they are to get a good edge and how easy they are to grind back if chipped without overheating them


Offline Steve R

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2011, 04:39 PM »
My chisels are made of metal.... [eek] how effective can a chisel made of maple.... is that maple sirup.... never mind...it is still the holiday here...and fun is fun...

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Steve
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Offline RL

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2011, 04:49 PM »
I use the Ashley Iles chisels and am somewhat happy with them. They are good quality, but I have found that on the smaller chisels I reshaped the handles considerably as they were far too handle-heavy and too long. I also gave them an octagonal profile as they are easier to control than a round handle.

I did find that although they are easy to sharpen, the smaller chisels hold an edge better at a 30 or 35 degree angle than the 25 degree angle they come with, so I re-ground them.

Would I get them again? Probably not. But since I have them, I am ok with them.

« Last Edit: December 27, 2011, 05:38 AM by Richard Leon »

Offline jmbfestool

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2011, 04:59 PM »
I use the Ashley Iles chisels and am so-so happy with them. They are good quality, but I have found that on the smaller chisels I reshaped the handles considerably as they were far too handle-heavy and too long. I also gave them an octagonal profile as they are easier to control than a round handle.

I did find that although they are easy to sharpen, the smaller chisels hold an edge better at a 30 or 35 degree angle than the 25 degree angle they come with, so I re-ground them.

Would I get them again? Probably not. But since I have them, I am ok with them.



I looked at them they are on the same site as the link above.    I want something a little bit more special.

http://www.1066tools.co.uk/tools/Woodworking_Chisel_Boxsets.html
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Offline jmbfestool

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2011, 05:37 PM »
http://www.axminster.co.uk/ice-bear-japanese-oire-nomi-special-alloy-chisel-set-prod19680/#bottomsection

i like these


I do....... DAM IT!   I just done like the sizes I would like a set like 6, 10, 12, 18, 25, and 32mm
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Offline jmbfestool

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2011, 05:43 PM »
I might go for them Ice bear oir Nomi Special alloy....


Should I?    I do want a 12 and 18mm chisel!  Could just get them in the slightly softer versions????  
http://www.axminster.co.uk/ice-bear-japanese-chu-usu-nomi-chisels-prod21854/

Dont want different chisels though!   I Could compare the two then I suppose see if they are worth this extra special price ???

I dont know.... ummmm


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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2011, 05:56 PM »
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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2011, 06:00 PM »
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Offline fatroman

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2011, 06:07 PM »
How about some Harold and Saxon chisels from Australia?
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Offline jmbfestool

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2011, 06:16 PM »
How about some Harold and Saxon chisels from Australia?

DAM YOU!    I was so close to buying them Japanese Ice bear specials from axminster!  BUT now just been looking at your link!   

I like the Contractors Chisel  handles made of alli!   They are more my kinda chisels cus I am a site carpenter!  ummmm and they are HSS!  ummm what to do what to do!   Where can I get these how much are they in £ in the UK

http://www.haroldandsaxon.com/product-range/
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Offline jmbfestool

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2011, 06:17 PM »
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Offline jmbfestool

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2011, 06:25 PM »
 justinmcf   You have these contractor chisels what do you think of them?


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Offline VSM_4

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2011, 07:58 PM »
Lie Nielsen makes a good chisel that isn't outrageously expensive. 

If you keep loosing your chisels, why go out and spend so much dough on them? 
Vinny

Offline jmbfestool

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2011, 08:15 PM »
Lie Nielsen makes a good chisel that isn't outrageously expensive.  

If you keep loosing your chisels, why go out and spend so much dough on them?  

I looked at them seem nice!  

Cus thats what I do?!?!? I like buying nice stuff lol

 I have had my chisels for about 6 years now! Its just that I have been little bit unlucky and lost two recently.   Mainly because I dont care about them really I suppose.  The new ones ill look after a lot more and im going to give them a nice home!  My current ones just get dumped in my bag with all my tools with no protection.  Same thing happend with my old block plane I never cared about that one and it just got thrown about but My lie-nielsen I look after that always gets put back in its pouch and hung up in my tool bag to keep it safe.  If im not happy with a tool I just loose respect for it I suppose and so if it gets broken or lost I dont really care.

JMB
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Offline Oldwood

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2011, 08:35 PM »
I think you will find some of the very hard chisels are good for paring but not for mallet work. I have one set that is not so hard as to be brittle for mallet work & another set that is very hard & hold an edge well for paring. If I use the paring set for mallet work they chip on the edge.

I have never had a set of the Japanese folded steel chisels so they could be the exception to the rule.

If the price of the your first choice is just a LITTLE alarming the economy must be on the upswing over there  [eek]

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Offline RL

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2011, 09:00 PM »
I use the Ashley Iles chisels and am so-so happy with them. They are good quality, but I have found that on the smaller chisels I reshaped the handles considerably as they were far too handle-heavy and too long. I also gave them an octagonal profile as they are easier to control than a round handle.

I did find that although they are easy to sharpen, the smaller chisels hold an edge better at a 30 or 35 degree angle than the 25 degree angle they come with, so I re-ground them.

Would I get them again? Probably not. But since I have them, I am ok with them.



I looked at them they are on the same site as the link above.    I want something a little bit more special.

http://www.1066tools.co.uk/tools/Woodworking_Chisel_Boxsets.html

I would definitely get A2 steel chisels over O1 steel if I was to buy more chisels. Thanks to your link, I have just discovered that my chisels are O1. Grrrrr. No wonder they can't hold an edge.

 [mad]


Offline jmbfestool

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2011, 09:08 PM »
I think you will find some of the very hard chisels are good for paring but not for mallet work. I have one set that is not so hard as to be brittle for mallet work & another set that is very hard & hold an edge well for paring. If I use the paring set for mallet work they chip on the edge.

I have never had a set of the Japanese folded steel chisels so they could be the exception to the rule.

If the price of the your first choice is just a LITTLE alarming the economy must be on the upswing over there  [eek]

Gerry



It is something I'm worried about but it does say on some of these hard chisels take abuse in hardwood even with knots.

Jmb
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Offline Alan m

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2011, 09:25 PM »
maybe you should get one of these sets in a systainer full of chisels etcdick tools

i have 3 sets of chisels.
1 bahco set for general carpentry
1 set of stubby paring chisels by crown for more accurate work
1 set from some cheapo store for whacking with a hammer

im thinking of getting a better set for whacking with a hammer. basically cutting stuff out of the way and a set to have in the van for lending to people on site
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Offline VSM_4

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2011, 11:15 PM »
Cus thats what I do?!?!? I like buying nice stuff lol

 I have had my chisels for about 6 years now! Its just that I have been little bit unlucky and lost two recently.   Mainly because I dont care about them really I suppose.  The new ones ill look after a lot more and im going to give them a nice home!  My current ones just get dumped in my bag with all my tools with no protection.  Same thing happend with my old block plane I never cared about that one and it just got thrown about but My lie-nielsen I look after that always gets put back in its pouch and hung up in my tool bag to keep it safe.  If im not happy with a tool I just loose respect for it I suppose and so if it gets broken or lost I dont really care.

JMB

Fair enough... since it is your money, I vote for the H&S Ultimax Range  They look awesome!



Unfortunately, the Ultimax range looks really slick, but it doesn't look like they are in production at the moment.    
« Last Edit: December 26, 2011, 11:30 PM by Vindingo »
Vinny

Offline Kev

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2011, 12:40 AM »
Harold and Saxon are probably taking custom orders. These guys are located in fairly remote part of NSW. Probably somewhere you'd visit for the day and pick your chisels up personally.

I've got Marples for rough and Iyoroi's for fine ... but some Harold Saxon chisels could be a nice addition to my tools too [smile]

Got to get round to introducing my chisels to some wood  [crying]


Offline Deansocial

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2011, 02:02 AM »
those h$s contactor chisels with the aluminium hadle look good for site work. but i do wonder what the balance is like with them

Offline justinmcf

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2011, 02:18 AM »
The balance of the Harold & Saxon chisels are fantastic.
The timber handled chisels are great for paring and other delicate hand work.

The aluminium contractor chisels are awesome, the extra weight is a positive and they are beautifully balanced.
And they are estwing friendly!

Justin

Offline ShawnRussell

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2011, 03:23 AM »
Just a note on the Harold and Saxon custom.. they can take a while to make and get shipped. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 6months awhile.
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Offline jmbfestool

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2011, 04:53 AM »
Just a note on the Harold and Saxon custom.. they can take a while to make and get shipped. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 6months awhile.

That's some wait...... Umm well I emailed them to see if they ship to the uk and at what price so wait and see.

Jmb
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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2011, 04:58 AM »
Cus thats what I do?!?!? I like buying nice stuff lol

 I have had my chisels for about 6 years now! Its just that I have been little bit unlucky and lost two recently.   Mainly because I dont care about them really I suppose.  The new ones ill look after a lot more and im going to give them a nice home!  My current ones just get dumped in my bag with all my tools with no protection.  Same thing happend with my old block plane I never cared about that one and it just got thrown about but My lie-nielsen I look after that always gets put back in its pouch and hung up in my tool bag to keep it safe.  If im not happy with a tool I just loose respect for it I suppose and so if it gets broken or lost I dont really care.

JMB

Fair enough... since it is your money, I vote for the H&S Ultimax Range  They look awesome!



Unfortunately, the Ultimax range looks really slick, but it doesn't look like they are in production at the moment.    

They do look nice and sexy did look at them just don't look hammer friendly.  Hence why I like the contractors version.

Jmb
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Offline j123j

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Re: High Quality Chisels
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2011, 05:25 AM »
Cus thats what I do?!?!? I like buying nice stuff lol

 I have had my chisels for about 6 years now! Its just that I have been little bit unlucky and lost two recently.   Mainly because I dont care about them really I suppose.  The new ones ill look after a lot more and im going to give them a nice home!  My current ones just get dumped in my bag with all my tools with no protection.  Same thing happend with my old block plane I never cared about that one and it just got thrown about but My lie-nielsen I look after that always gets put back in its pouch and hung up in my tool bag to keep it safe.  If im not happy with a tool I just loose respect for it I suppose and so if it gets broken or lost I dont really care.

JMB


Fair enough... since it is your money, I vote for the H&S Ultimax Range  They look awesome!



Unfortunately, the Ultimax range looks really slick, but it doesn't look like they are in production at the moment.    

They do look nice and sexy did look at them just don't look hammer friendly.  Hence why I like the contractors version.

Jmb


If you tend to use a framing hammer to drive chisels buy some bahco chisels, they're cheap and will take a beating.

If you're gonna buy highend chisels... use a mallet to drive them and learn how to properly sharpen them. I doubt you have the patience for really learn how to properly sharpen them.

If you dont have the intention to really get to know your chisels you shouldent spend more than 20€/piece....

the harold&saxon are about...what 150€/piece with the customs charges and shipping overseas?
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