mattcville
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« on: July 20, 2012, 01:26 PM » |
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Does anyone have experience with Lie-Nielsen dovetail saws? I would like to start making handcut dovetail joints
and am in need of a good dovetail saw. L-N makes 3 different versions: standard, thin kerf and a progessive pictch?
Is there a significant difference in ease of use among the 3 saws and is any one of these easier to use when just
learning how to make these joints by hand?
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Bob Gerritsen
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2012, 01:44 PM » |
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Just to be sure, I do not claim to be an expert on this, I'm sure there are others out there that know all in's and out's.
Looking at those saws a couple things do come to mind though.
The progressive pitch is relatively easy to start and then starts to cut quicker on the rest of the blade. I'm sure it will be a great saw, maybe if you plan on sharpening them yourself there is that extra challenge to consider with all those different teeth.
The standard should be great, I've read many great things about it.
The thin kerf I would leave for later. You're probably going to put the wrong pressure on the blade in the beginning and then 25% less meat is going to make it more fragile too, that's for sure.
So I would go with the progressive I think, depending on if you want to sharpen yourself and how good you feel about that.
Cutting dovetails is loads of fun btw, enjoy!!
Cheers, Bob.
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2012, 05:03 PM » |
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Well Matt, good on ya. I love cutting dovetails by hand, really rewarding. I have 2 Vera's saws & the Lie Nielson thin plate. I use the Vertas saw mostly but when I want to spoil myself or am doing fine work then I always get the thin plate out. It is really easy to use. I don't find it flimsy at all, just let the saw do the cutting.
Happy cutting & let us know what you get.
Woodguy.
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mattcville
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2012, 12:17 PM » |
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Thanks for the comments. I am looking forward to learning to doing this joinery using hand tools instead of relying on router and jig.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2012, 07:06 PM » |
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From your op I figured you already decided to go with Lie Nielsen BUT, those Veritas saws sure are a bargain. I have two Veritas gents saws and really like them, especially for the money. Should I ever need a second set of back saws (decided on Bad Axe myself and would def recomend those although on the pricey side compared to Veritas and even LN) I would probably surely go with the Veritas. You have to like the look but quality is like LN from what I've read.
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2012, 05:58 AM » |
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I have and like the Veritas dovetail saws when I use a Western saw. The 'dovetail' saw and '20tpi rip' are the ones I use. The 20tpi rip is great for thinner stock. They are a steal and work well. Get them then when you want to get fancy, pick up a Bad Axe or Medallion Toolworks saw. And to quote Frank Klausz, someone asked, Q: "Frank, why do you use a pencil when a marking knife leaves a much finer line for more precision" A: "Because I use a pencil". |
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2012, 06:08 AM » |
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Paul, those Bad Axe saws look sweet. Never heard of them before. Why do you people keep doing this to me !! There is a Woodpecker shipment waiting in customs for me, I just know they are going to be another addiction  |
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If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
Shirt size medium
p.s- ive started reading these too
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2012, 06:07 PM » |
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I have and like the Veritas dovetail saws when I use a Western saw. The 'dovetail' saw and '20tpi rip' are the ones I use. The 20tpi rip is great for thinner stock. They are a steal and work well. Get them then when you want to get fancy, pick up a Bad Axe or Medallion Toolworks saw. And to quote Frank Klausz, someone asked, Q: "Frank, why do you use a pencil when a marking knife leaves a much finer line for more precision" A: "Because I use a pencil".Somewhere along the line he also said he prefers the thick line (i.e. width of saw kerf) because he saws down the middle & makes it disappear.  |
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2012, 08:17 PM » |
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I have a Veritas dovetail saw and Lie Nielsen crosscut and tenon saws. I have to say I was very happy with the Veritas saw...
...until I got the Lie Nielsens.
I find they cut straighter which could be a function of the saw set or just the way I cut with the lighter Veritas saw. Yes the Veritas saw is good value, but it is not in the same class as the Lie Nielsens. Lie Nielsen also has a saw resharpening service if that is of interest to you. I sharpen my own, and indeed a dovetail saw is the one to learn sharpening on.
I would also check out the Gramercy tools dovetail saw. I tried it and loved it.
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2013, 11:12 AM » |
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LN thin plate is a great saw...Bad Axe are very nice but very expensive. Get the LN...in fact you could just about buy 2 for 1 Bad Axe dt saw.
If you can make it to one of the LN shows that are coming up then you can try all of their tools out.
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