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« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2011, 05:23 PM » |
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There are at least two guys (Starrett employees) that sell blems on e-bay. I've seen satin chrome metric scales of various lengths go at reasonable prices. If you don't see what you want up for auction just send a message & will probably accommodate you.
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« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2011, 05:31 PM » |
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Ken, Did some searching  . Tajima tapes have a good reputation. They have a metric / standard tape. I don't know if they have the special markings at 32 mm increments. The model number for a 25 footer is G-25/7.5 MBW. Acetoolonline.com has them. Peter Peter, I believe I've seen that one being used by Gary Katz. I think I only saw it for sale (in a store) at A.W. Meyer. Like you said, I said,  still looking for a 32mm version though.
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« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2011, 05:38 PM » |
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I've bought a Tajima tape recently and i think it's the mutt's nuts. Currently using an imperial tape though so i can't speak on metric markings. Good solid build and easy to read, best tape i've had to date
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« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2011, 06:11 PM » |
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was just on the tajima site and i don't believe they offer a metric only tape.
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« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2011, 07:01 PM » |
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Hi,
Something to keep in mind is that it is not just the accuracy but the measuring devices need to be consistent. If you are switching from tape, to folding rule, to square when measuring, they all need to be in sync with each other. Just because the measuring tools are accurate doesn't mean they will work together.
If you need real precision then make sure they sync up or don't switch from one to another.
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« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2011, 07:08 PM » |
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good point seth. in the past i used to have a few tapes going together ( one near the saw, belt etc) after a few times of things being a mill out i worked out that the tapes were not consistent from one to the other. also check that the metal bit on the end is straight and square as i learnt this lesson 2
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« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2011, 07:28 PM » |
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Hi,
Something to keep in mind is that it is not just the accuracy but the measuring devices need to be consistent. If you are switching from tape, to folding rule, to square when measuring, they all need to be in sync with each other. Just because the measuring tools are accurate doesn't mean they will work together.
If you need real precision then make sure they sync up or don't switch from one to another.
Seth
Yes. That's why I check my big Stanley tape measure against the others frequently (like a round robin method) and so on. I find "cross measurement continuity" is important for me.
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« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2011, 07:48 PM » |
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was just on the tajima site and i don't believe they offer a metric only tape.
No they don't. It is tough to get a metric only tape in NA as Ken said. We are measurement challenged here and have the need for both. Peter
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« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2011, 08:57 PM » |
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I suppose a metric tape would be good for me for my own projects but I can't consciously be the only one using metric on a site full of Imperials. I was using a dual scale tape for a while and had to ditch it just coz there was too much different scale crap on it.
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« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2011, 09:40 PM » |
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I find the Mesopotamian style precision story tape from Lee Valley is more accurate than the Metric  : LV Precision Story Tape I'm only half tongue in cheek here...seriously...you can take measurement to a point and then parallax error kills you. Get a set of the Icra rules for markup and use Ruler Stops Veritas Ruler Stop for transferring measurements. I also use a couple of different length bar gauges Veritas Bar Gauge for transfering inside measurements. Keep a piece of 2X2 for each project as a story stick. Throw away your tape measures unless they're a "Precision Story Tape"  . I actually have a Fastcap flatback tape with a story strip on one side which comes in handy on long cabinet pieces.
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« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2011, 09:48 PM » |
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I find the Mesopotamian style precision story tape from Lee Valley is more accurate than the Metric  : LV Precision Story Tape I'm only half tongue in cheek here...seriously...you can take measurement to a point and then parallax error kills you. Get a set of the Icra rules for markup and use Ruler Stops Veritas Ruler Stop for transferring measurements. I also use a couple of different length bar gauges Veritas Bar Gauge for transfering inside measurements. Keep a piece of 2X2 for each project as a story stick. Throw away your tape measures unless they're a "Precision Story Tape"  . I actually have a Fastcap flatback tape with a story strip on one side which comes in handy on long cabinet pieces. I have a few sets of the Veritas Bar Gages that I made up for various length ranges -- they work great for marking multiple pieces the same.
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« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2011, 09:58 PM » |
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fastcap makes a couple different all metric tapes.
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« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2011, 10:01 AM » |
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was just on the tajima site and i don't believe they offer a metric only tape.
No they don't. It is tough to get a metric only tape in NA as Ken said. We are measurement challenged here and have the need for both. Peter I found metric only tapes on their site. The last two here in the G-series
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« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2011, 10:55 AM » |
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I stand happily corrected!  Peter
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The tools in my truck were talking the other day. The Dewalts, PC's, Boschs, Makitas were not happy. They also were in the minority. Their complaint: They felt unused and unappreciated since the Festools moved in. I guess the truth hurts.
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« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2011, 11:13 AM » |
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Stayed up late last night/early this morning searching out tape measures for some odd reason, but I also found that Lufkin (Cooper Tools) Lufkin, makes a metric folding engineers rule and a lot of metric only or combo imperial metric tape measures. Still no 32mm versions.
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Stayed up late last night/early this morning searching out tape measures for some odd reason, but I also found that Lufkin (Cooper Tools) Lufkin, makes a metric folding engineers rule and a lot of metric only or combo imperial metric tape measures. Still no 32mm versions. That took me 30 seconds. http://www.amazon.com/Fastcap-PMMR-TRUE32-True32-Reverse-measuring/dp/B000GFHABG
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Darcy, You're in too much of a rush.  Check back through the thread for my responses to Fastcap tapes.
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« Reply #47 on: May 30, 2011, 12:02 PM » |
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Stayed up late last night/early this morning searching out tape measures for some odd reason, but I also found that Lufkin (Cooper Tools) Lufkin, makes a metric folding engineers rule and a lot of metric only or combo imperial metric tape measures. Still no 32mm versions. Sound like a business opportunity for someone to gibe Fast-cap some competition.
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« Reply #48 on: May 30, 2011, 12:03 PM » |
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I think he was looking for a NON-FastCap product.
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« Reply #49 on: May 30, 2011, 04:50 PM » |
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Probably means nothing but i have used many tape measures in the past & Lufkin is the best i have used.
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If its made of wood, i can make it smaller. Shirt size medium p.s- ive started reading these too
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« Reply #50 on: May 30, 2011, 04:54 PM » |
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If its made of wood, i can make it smaller. Shirt size medium p.s- ive started reading these too
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« Reply #51 on: May 30, 2011, 05:02 PM » |
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Thanks, but I was talking about 32mm incremental markings. I noticed while searching that the 32mm kept popping up, but that is the width of the blade, not the markings. Good try! 
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« Reply #52 on: May 30, 2011, 05:04 PM » |
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Bummer thought i sussed it  Never seen one with 32mm increments ? Are you sure you get such a thing ?
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If its made of wood, i can make it smaller. Shirt size medium p.s- ive started reading these too
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Guys-Gals, These are excellent and well priced--http://www.wihatools.com/600seri/616serie.htm--You can get an English metric combination on one rule. I own several and they all jive with each other. I think if you need better than this, you need to go with an incra or engraved steel scale (ala Starrett) I have two long steel Starretts, one 72" and one 2 meters. Pricey, cumbersome, but dead on accurate. I also use shorter ones-
I've been in the tool and die trade for over 30 years, bought and sold thousands worth of tools, and used millions worth. Nothing touches "Old" USA Starrett for quality. Their master squares and even combination squares have set the standards for decades.
Sometimes we get overly familiar with our tools . A 12" Starrett combination square is the most versatile measuring tool in the shop for general woodworking and machine setup. Add a 24" blade and you have a tremendous amount of flexibility and precision in your hands.
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Nothing touches "Old" USA Starrett for quality. Their master squares and even combination squares have set the standards for decades.
Sometimes we get overly familiar with our tools . A 12" Starrett combination square is the most versatile measuring tool in the shop for general woodworking and machine setup. Add a 24" blade and you have a tremendous amount of flexibility and precision in your hands.
Jay: Couldn't agree more.  Tim
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« Reply #55 on: May 31, 2011, 10:16 AM » |
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Thanks, but I was talking about 32mm incremental markings. I noticed while searching that the 32mm kept popping up, but that is the width of the blade, not the markings.
I bought the Fast Cap so called True32 thinking (not reading closely enough) that they would be marked with 32mm increments. No luck! That'll teach me to read the product description more closely and stop trying to turn hopes into reality. The Fast Cap True32, at least the ones I got are marked with millimeters. There are of course markings at 32mm but they are not highlighted and are indistinguishable from the regular mm markings. As a tool, I don't like it very much. It's too bulky, the tape is too wide and curve too deep too to use unless I am measuring large 1 to 2.5 meter panels. Tim
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Funny, I have been intensively using the Fastcap True32 tape and an old Starret combination square on my current project. I only wish that Starret was Metric :\ My father-in-law gave me the Starret and it just oozes quality. The angle head was hugely useful.
I concur with Tim regarding the Fastcap tape. The curvature is a bit too much, always slipping off when I try to rotate the tape edge close to the stock so I can mark it. I wouldn't try to make fine furniture with it, but it's an adequate measuring tool for general projects or home improvement.
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Lots of comments on our True32 tape measure so I thought I should clarify a few points: -The True32 blade style was made at the request of Bob Buckley, the owner of True32.com. -There is a small black dot at the top of every 32mm hash mark to indicate each 32mm segment. -The bend is to give our wide 1 inch blades a long 8ft stand off -We also offer the True32 in the Flatback model (blade without bend) for panel layout and easy line transfer -We have never charged any of our customers for warranty replacement or the shipping cost to get it to them. -We guarantee everything we make for life - 100% -Each of our blades are tested to be accurate within +/- .06mm at 6ft (industry standard) -We always recommend, regardless of which blade that is used to always check the accuracy of a tape measure before each job to ensure that the hook didn't get bent between use. Burning an inch is a good way to do this. -Some unique features that our tape measures have are: Writing pad on the side, Lever-action belt clip, built-in pencil sharpener, 1 inch wide blade, front and bottom braking system, unique blade styles that you can write on and wipe off with your thumb, reverse read blades, rubber overmolded case that is color-coded for each blade style and a flat blade style for panel layouts all for under $8.
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I have personally been happy with the FastCap tapes and have been meaning to get a true 32 model. One thing to note for those who have never used these tapes, the flat back versions are designed to take outside measurements - not inside measurements. The tape hook end is firmly riveted.
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Lots of comments on our True32 tape measure so I thought I should clarify a few points: -The True32 blade style was made at the request of Bob Buckley, the owner of True32.com. -There is a small black dot at the top of every 32mm hash mark to indicate each 32mm segment. -The bend is to give our wide 1 inch blades a long 8ft stand off -We also offer the True32 in the Flatback model (blade without bend) for panel layout and easy line transfer -We have never charged any of our customers for warranty replacement or the shipping cost to get it to them. -We guarantee everything we make for life - 100% -Each of our blades are tested to be accurate within +/- .06mm at 6ft (industry standard) -We always recommend, regardless of which blade that is used to always check the accuracy of a tape measure before each job to ensure that the hook didn't get bent between use. Burning an inch is a good way to do this. -Some unique features that our tape measures have are: Writing pad on the side, Lever-action belt clip, built-in pencil sharpener, 1 inch wide blade, front and bottom braking system, unique blade styles that you can write on and wipe off with your thumb, reverse read blades, rubber overmolded case that is color-coded for each blade style and a flat blade style for panel layouts all for under $8.
i have nothing to add to the tape measure debate only that i will get one and find out. it is great to see this fine company (fast cap) represented on the fog. i have bought from them in the past (chop saw hood , it was broken and thaey sent me another AND a bottle of 2p10 to fix the old one) . they have great customer service similar to festool USA. i hope they stay around on the fog as they have some great products i would like to give them a warm 
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now ts 55+2 1400 rails+ 1 lr32 1400 rail, domino+assortment systainer+ domiplate, ct 22 with boom arm+home made thien baffel, lr32 set, rotex 150, home made MFT,home made work center, 6 t locs for other tools, of2000 , ro 90, mft 800, trion , ls 130 wish list of 1400, MFT 3,, even more t locs for other tools
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
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