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Offline Lemwise

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Re: Quangsheng low angle vs Lie Nielsen low angle block plane.
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2017, 11:38 AM »
The plane remains in production as Lee Valley have every intention of manufacturing more
I have every intention to stop paying my taxes. That doesn't mean it's going to happen. Like I said, the NX60 hasn't been produced for several years. There comes a point when they have to accept reality and discontinue it. Leaving it up on their website is misleading imo.

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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Quangsheng low angle vs Lie Nielsen low angle block plane.
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2017, 03:47 PM »
I have been a Veritas customer for over a decade and I do not consider its leaving a product on its website that it has every intention to manufacture again anything wrong. Neither is it misleading nor is it deceitful by any definition. Many supply factors are outside the control of a manufacturer and when a company is sure that there is no hope that a product can be reproduced again, it will then make the market decision not to make it and withdraw it from its catalog. Simple business practice and there is no need to make any conspiracy theory about it.

On the other hand, a company that says certain of its products are one-time only but then reproduces and sells them again (and again) due to customer requests, in my view, fits the bill of being misleading. I have found two such examples from two different vendors recently.

Chuck
« Last Edit: February 05, 2017, 03:51 PM by ChuckM »

Offline Lemwise

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Re: Quangsheng low angle vs Lie Nielsen low angle block plane.
« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2017, 04:16 PM »
The NX60 hasn't been produced since at least 2012. Saying there's a manufacturing delay for at least 5 years is misleading in every sense of the word. There's no delay here, it's a full production stop. I don't doubt their desire to produce it again but they need to call it what it is.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Quangsheng low angle vs Lie Nielsen low angle block plane.
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2017, 06:18 PM »
A delay it is. Misleading it is not. Nothing intentionally deceiving on the part of Veritas as I see it. The Am Heritage Dictionary defines "mis·lead (mĭs-lēd)" as:

tr.v. mis·led (-lĕd), mis·lead·ing, mis·leads
1. To lead in the wrong direction.
2. To give a wrong impression or lead toward a wrong conclusion, especially by intentionally deceiving.

No words on that product page about the NX60 lead in the wrong direction or suggest a wrong conclusion. We can complain about any product delay, but we should not imply any deception or guilt on the part of the retailer/manufacturer without proof.

Chuck
« Last Edit: February 05, 2017, 06:21 PM by ChuckM »

Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: Quangsheng low angle vs Lie Nielsen low angle block plane.
« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2017, 06:46 PM »
Lemwise I think you should contact Rob Lee directly, he's a member here any tell him how to run his very successful business, I'm sure he would love to hear from you.

John

Offline Corwin

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Re: Quangsheng low angle vs Lie Nielsen low angle block plane.
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2017, 11:42 PM »
... The Am Heritage Dictionary defines "mis·lead (mĭs-lēd)" as:

tr.v. mis·led (-lĕd), mis·lead·ing, mis·leads
1. To lead in the wrong direction.
2. To give a wrong impression or lead toward a wrong conclusion, especially by intentionally deceiving.

...

Then, one might argue that the only thing misleading here has been the derogatory remarks leveled at Lee Valley.  [sad]
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Offline Poindexter

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Re: Quangsheng low angle vs Lie Nielsen low angle block plane.
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2017, 07:03 AM »
Lee Valley is pretty transparent in their online shopping cart.  If a product isn't available you can't even select it.  The NX60 is not:





And then the cart will show when something will be available:





Maybe this is a recent change to the website.  And maybe this isn't retail practice within the stores, but I can't fault them for their online practices.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2017, 07:06 AM by Poindexter »

Offline Holmz

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Re: Quangsheng low angle vs Lie Nielsen low angle block plane.
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2017, 07:06 AM »
I'll go one, or maybe two.

Offline Lemwise

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Re: Quangsheng low angle vs Lie Nielsen low angle block plane.
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2017, 11:38 AM »
From Lee Valleys website:
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Due to a manufacturing delay on the body of the NX60 Block Plane, these products are temporarily unavailable.
Temporarily suggest it's available again shortly. But it's not. Like I said, it hasn't been produced since at least 2012. How many more years can they keep saying it's temporarily unavailable? I think this is a very misleading statement. You guys don't. Lets agree to disagree.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2017, 01:34 PM by Lemwise »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Quangsheng low angle vs Lie Nielsen low angle block plane.
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2017, 02:18 PM »
From Lee Valleys website:
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Due to a manufacturing delay on the body of the NX60 Block Plane, these products are temporarily unavailable.
Temporarily suggest it's available again shortly. But it's not. Like I said, it hasn't been produced since at least 2012. How many more years can they keep saying it's temporarily unavailable? I think this is a very misleading statement. You guys don't. Lets agree to disagree.

We have a new President in the States. The consequences could be a lot more significant than not being able to buy a shiny block plane, but it is temporary.

Offline Lemwise

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Re: Quangsheng low angle vs Lie Nielsen low angle block plane.
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2017, 04:22 PM »
Why was my comment deleted? I said nothing inappropriate.

Offline Lemwise

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Re: Quangsheng low angle vs Lie Nielsen low angle block plane.
« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2017, 03:49 PM »
Here's some info some of you might find interesting. I contacted a Finnish retailer of Qiangsheng planes because they carried the Luban SS spokeshave and I asked them when it would be back in stock. The Finnish distributor doesn't have it in stock and they're not allowed by Qiangsheng to buy it from a distributor in another country. Basically, Qiangsheng wants full market control. They control the channels, the price, everything. I'm not supporting this kind of behaviour and I regret getting the block plane.

Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Quangsheng low angle vs Lie Nielsen low angle block plane.
« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2017, 04:04 PM »
Here's some info some of you might find interesting. I contacted a Finnish retailer of Qiangsheng planes because they carried the Luban SS spokeshave and I asked them when it would be back in stock. The Finnish distributor doesn't have it in stock and they're not allowed by Qiangsheng to buy it from a distributor in another country. Basically, Qiangsheng wants full market control. They control the channels, the price, everything. I'm not supporting this kind of behaviour and I regret getting the block plane.


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Re: Quangsheng low angle vs Lie Nielsen low angle block plane.
« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2017, 04:11 PM »
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Offline kaseri

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Re: Quangsheng low angle vs Lie Nielsen low angle block plane.
« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2017, 07:03 PM »
I recently purchased a Lie Nielsen No.102 and couldn't be happier. Fit and finish is second to none in my opinion. I will be replacing three other planes with the Lie Nielsen equivalent.