Justin F.
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The thread on favorite hand tools has made me think of how often hand tools must be bought just to realize how worthiness or inadequate they are. But now its time for a little catharsis --- little self healing -- get it off your chest. What are some tools you most disliked or found wanting in some aspect?
The one sticking in my craw of late is the Klein folding utility knife I bought a while back. I thought it would be handy being folding and all, but I hate to use it because the release tab for the blade is always being hit, with blade being released through mid-cut -----aggravating !! Just give me the old standby --- you can just grab it and wack stuff.
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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2008, 01:06 PM » |
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I have the folding Husky version, and it does not have that problem...but I still use the regular kind more often.
Regrets? All the little gadgets that are going to make whatever job you hate to do easier and do not deliver. John
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2008, 01:44 PM » |
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Half dozen squares that weren't (square, that is) The little Sears compressor that was cheap, oil filled, and light enough to take on installs, second one died after two months (like it's predecessor) Just about every tape measure I brought before discovering Fastcap The Stanley stud finder that lies to me. (I swear it hates me) The matching Stanley laser measure that lies just as much as it's cousin. (family trait?) The Marples chisels that seem to be made from some soft alloy that senses a nail or screw within 20' and develops a notch automatically just in case I bring it closer. Nice big manual screwdriver sets from Harbor Freight Almost everything else I ever brought from Harbor freight. (slow learner)
One thing you will notice from the list, every time I forget my "Buy the good, expensive one stupid" policy I get screwed solidly and spend more money than if i just spend the money and buy the best available.
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2008, 02:01 PM » |
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I love having a beautifully crafted hand plane like those from Lie-Nielson. Now to be able to use them properly is another story. Another waste of money were some Radi Planes that I bought to round over and chamfer edges. Could never seem to get the two cutters aligned properly with one another. Oh yeah, and then there were these little round-over tools that looked like church keys. They would be working fine, taking tight little shavings, and then all of a sudden just grab a chunk of the wood. I guess I could go on, but these stand out.
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Tom Bainbridge
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2008, 03:13 PM » |
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every SINGLE stud finder that already exists on the planet
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every SINGLE stud finder that hasnt been invented yet
if it doesnt exist the stud finder WILL find it
if it does exist the stud finder WONT find it
they ALL find electric cables all the time
BUT....................................... ANYTHING they find is also electric
even wooden studs are electric
according to stud finders
so are nails and screws
and copper water pipes
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Michael Kellough
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2008, 08:28 PM » |
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The one sticking in my craw of late is the Klein folding utility knife I bought a while back. I thought it would be handy being folding and all, but I hate to use it because the release tab for the blade is always being hit, with blade being released through mid-cut -----aggravating !! Just give me the old standby --- you can just grab it and wack stuff.
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Justin
Because you asked for it...  This cast iron sucker is solid as a rock and it has enough weight that when engaged in a heavy cut and it finally breaks free it does not go flying, like this aluminum version can.  It's just as rigid as the iron version but weighs 1/4 as much. Even the iron version isn't my favorite. I have misplaced my favorite which is identical except that it says DEFIANCE in raised letters on the side.
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Justin F.
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2008, 08:37 PM » |
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Wow -- I dig it -- but you see you have to turn that little screw and open it to replace the blade, so inconvenient ---- baloney!! -- what's inconvenient is having to reach down and pick up the blade after it comes loose and falls out, or having to worry about finger position on the thing ------- the Klein is heavy and solid but a pain in the arse.
Justin
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Per Swenson
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2008, 10:31 PM » |
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I cannot and will not use a fix blade utility knife.
This goes under "Methods of work"
Oh sure now you say it doesn't belong in my pocket.
Sorry that is one muscle memory I can't break.
Per
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2008, 06:01 PM » |
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Great thread -- thanks for the mention of stud finders!
I thought it was just me! They're all garbage, aren't they? In the past it has been tempting to try yet another one (new design, better technology?), but after several, I've resisted the temptation for quite awhile now. You comments make it even easier to resist.
The first knuckle on the middle finger of my right hand seems to be pretty reliable, and I've always got it with me! AND, I can always use it to 'salute' all those manufactured stud finders out there.
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Per Swenson
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2008, 06:13 PM » |
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Wanna stud finder DD and IGGY, Tie a piece of string to a rare earth magnet. One of theseYou know one a these days Imma gonna put the wrong link in these here Hiper links I have gotten so fond of. Now truth be told I have one of those Zircon stud finders, maybe 10 years old, and it always worked. Left to right only. But it works. Brand new battery does wonders. Per
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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2008, 06:35 PM » |
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I'm with Per on the magnet for a stud finder. Another thing is you can leave the magnet there and use another magnet to find the next stud. I will use a few of them and then step back and decide where the best place to nail would be. No marking!
As for regrets.... I have a beautiful rosewood square that is and isn't. I have a marking gauge with the pin type marker (blade is better) that likes to follow the grain instead of staying referenced on the edge.
One of these days when I don't have anything to do (ha, ha), I'll tinker with the square and grind the pin into a blade, but I sure have better uses for my time...
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Tom Bainbridge
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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2008, 06:47 PM » |
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rare earth magnets for metal studs
Per..fection
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i am
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Michael Kellough
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2008, 07:17 PM » |
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rare earth magnets for metal studs
Per..fection
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i am
as has happened before
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The magnets will work on metal studs too but in a coarse way. Besides, you can usually hear the metal stud vibrate when you thump the wall and find it that way. The magnets earn their cost by glomming onto screws and nails and give a better idea of where the center of the stud is. I too have an old Zircon (at least 15 years) that still reliably finds the center of a wood stud through drywall. I used to have an even older German metal finder (dull green colored plastic shaped like a light duty staple gun) that did a good job of finding individual screws but the battery terminals corroded.
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2008, 06:34 AM » |
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every SINGLE stud finder that already exists on the planet
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every SINGLE stud finder that hasnt been invented yet
if it doesnt exist the stud finder WILL find it
if it does exist the stud finder WONT find it Thanks dirtydeeds! I bought a stud finder a while ago, and found it far too annoying. All this time, I thought it was me not knowing how to use the stupid thing! I own an old house with wooth lathing, and the stud finder just goes off constantly. Matthew
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Tom Bainbridge
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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2008, 07:24 AM » |
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mathew stop looking for wood in a forest
look for the nails
they give away the position of the studs in a lath and plaster wall
problem is that stud finders tell you EVERYTHING they find (or dont find)
that is what is so confusing about these tools
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Dan Rush
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2008, 04:29 PM » |
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Actually, there are those that say that my girlfriend is the best of the stud finders. 
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Actually, there are those that say that my girlfriend is the best of the stud finders.  Dan, Thats no dang good pardner. Especially the part "there are those that say". I had a Wife and a Beagle with similar tendencies. The Beagle would put his nose down and not pick it back up until the next county. There are those that say the Sheriff over there was a great guy for always bringing him back I built a fence for the wife. So whats your trick?  Per
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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2008, 04:56 PM » |
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No, no, you miss understood! I meant when she's throwing pots, pans, and rolling pins, THAT's when she finds the "stud". ( self proclaimed moniker)  D
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Festool FS-KS. I finally admitted how little I use this, and pulled out the insert so I could use the systainer for something I need to carry with me. Tight coil air hoses! I can fit 12m in 1 sys-1.
cheap countersinks. cheap router bits. cheap tape measures. cheap right angle drill adaptor.
I think I finally noticed a pattern though.
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its hard to follow that pattern
cheap looks like the obvious candidate
but my guess is austrialian coyboys......................
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its hard to follow that pattern
cheap looks like the obvious candidate
but my guess is austrialian coyboys......................
If I could find a few more rich widows to work for I'd be a toyboy, not a coy boy.  But not cheap$$$
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so i cant spell..........................  how about gigalo i cant spell that either
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A long, long time ago, I bought an aluminum "drill press converter" for my old B&D corded drill at Twin Fair. It never worked very well. It was stolen at my garage sale, but I didn't care; they couldn't bring it back for a refund.
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The first time I started making dadoes I figured I was saving mucho bucks by buying that dial-a-dado gizmo. I think I ended up throwing it away, and when I bought an Amana set, WOW, was that ever a pleasure to use !!
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2009, 04:55 PM » |
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The one sticking in my craw of late is the Klein folding utility knife I bought a while back. I thought it would be handy being folding and all, but I hate to use it because the release tab for the blade is always being hit, with blade being released through mid-cut -----aggravating !! Just give me the old standby --- you can just grab it and wack stuff.
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Justin
Because you asked for it...  This cast iron sucker is solid as a rock and it has enough weight that when engaged in a heavy cut and it finally breaks free it does not go flying, like this aluminum version can.  It's just as rigid as the iron version but weighs 1/4 as much. Even the iron version isn't my favorite. I have misplaced my favorite which is identical except that it says DEFIANCE in raised letters on the side. Michael; is that dried blood on the top knife?
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I love having a beautifully crafted hand plane like those from Lie-Nielson. Now to be able to use them properly is another story. Another waste of money were some Radi Planes that I bought to round over and chamfer edges. Could never seem to get the two cutters aligned properly with one another. Oh yeah, and then there were these little round-over tools that looked like church keys. They would be working fine, taking tight little shavings, and then all of a sudden just grab a chunk of the wood. I guess I could go on, but these stand out.
Neill
I wish I hade read this a few months ago... ...before ordering the chunk carving church keys. A colleague has a Radi plane that actually works quite well. The church keys work alright on mdf - though they become dull very fast. 
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« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2009, 06:52 AM » |
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every SINGLE stud finder that already exists on the planet
AND
every SINGLE stud finder that hasnt been invented yet
if it doesnt exist the stud finder WILL find it
if it does exist the stud finder WONT find it
they ALL find electric cables all the time
BUT....................................... ANYTHING they find is also electric
even wooden studs are electric
according to stud finders
so are nails and screws
and copper water pipes
the list is endless
When I was in construction, i had a couple of backhoes to do my own footing excavations and grading among a lot of other functions. On every job, i always checked with owner on where the water well and septic system were located. as more and more houses had the electric service installed underground, i had to call a service to locate everything for me. I eventually discovered two very important facts. 1 Owners always told me where items were located according to their needs of the moment. 2 ALL backhoes and excavating equipment have factory installed locating devices. the devices are NOT removable and cannot be over-ridden. those devices ALWAYS locate waterlines that are on THE FAR SIDE OF THE HOUSE. They ALWAYS locate septic systems that are ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE HOUSE. same with electric lines, oil lines. They also locate old pet burial grounds greatly revered by the children of the house, drainage lines and so on and onandonandon>>>>>>> On one job, we located visually, the well. We located the oil tank on far end of house. The owner showed me EXACTLY where the septic system was located on far side of house. He showed me where the electric service line came into the house and where it started from the pole at the street. when I started digging, the very first thing i had to do was to remove a tree and its stump. As I pulled the stump, I saw a geyser of water. It seems the tree roots were wrapped securely around the old water line and I had broken it in half with pulling out of the tree roots. we no sooner fixed the water line when I discovered the septic system was NOT on the far side of the house. Before the excavation was completed, I discovered the electric lines did NOT follow a straight line into house as owner had pointed out. I also discovered the oil line did not follow a straight line. with all of the excitement, the wife went into labor and ended up being rushed to the hospital. I guess she survived ok. The house is still there and I see her walking where she used to jog. Her hair used to be very bright red, but it is solid grey now. I probably contributed somewhat to the grey. I have only seen the husband a couple of times in the intervening 25 or so years, but he still is friendly to me. Tinker
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« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2009, 09:45 AM » |
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Others have already hit a lot of my peeves, especially stud finders that don't work on lath and plaster despite the "deep sensing" capability (though I do get good results on wallboard). Second on my list is squares that aren't, especially framing squares.
But my number one is supposed sharp-edge tools made with junk steel that won't hold an edge. I've got a couple of marking knives in which the steel is so soft that the point bends over if it tries to follow the grain in the wood. I gave up on them and just use an Xacto - the tip breaks but it's fast and cheap to replace the blade. I had two block planes bought cheap before I learned better, and both of them got dull at the first hint of hard wood or paint. I've got several Marples chisels whose edges chip after only a few cuts. I've gotten more cuts from dull tools than from sharp ones.
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my original cold chisels - which blunt on the 2nd or 3rd strike - I was renovating our third house
the new chisels were tedious to grind to shape - but stay sharp for half a days hard use
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