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Offline SRSemenza

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Some new Wera goodness!
« on: April 16, 2018, 04:15 PM »
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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2018, 10:53 AM »
Nice! LOVE Wera! All I use for hand drivers in the shop! Wait for KCToolco.com to do their 10-15% off coupons as those are typically the best prices I have found.
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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2018, 03:59 PM »
Question Seth, why the need for the insulated Torx Bits?   [blink]
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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2018, 04:07 PM »
Question Seth, why the need for the insulated Torx Bits?   [blink]

Ran into a Torx screw in a panel recently.  Maybe it's not normal, I don't know, but there it was.

I already have the handle so I figured why not?


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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2018, 08:22 PM »
I wanted to buy a few Wera screwdrivers, but I didn't cuz they all have the same color handle and are indistinguishable from each other in a tool bag. I like to know exactly what I'm pulling out of the bag even when tools are in the wrong place at times

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2018, 08:41 PM »
I wanted to buy a few Wera screwdrivers, but I didn't cuz they all have the same color handle and are indistinguishable from each other in a tool bag. I like to know exactly what I'm pulling out of the bag even when tools are in the wrong place at times

Funny you bring this up ......................  I was just looking on the Wera USA site for some info and noticed that they are adding color coding to the top of the 300 and stainless line. Maybe others ?

http://products.wera.de/en/screwdrivers_series_kraftform_screwdrivers_stainless_steel_3367_tx.html

See color chart in right column of boxes.

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2018, 09:56 PM »
I have this [darn] forum to thank for my Wera addiction.  Really like the 1/4" Zyklop set for all around shop use. 
Current systainer to productivity ratio:  very high

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2018, 10:08 AM »
Question for the long term Wera users. Did you find the handles comfortable from the beginning or did it take a while to get used to them? Every time I pick one up in the store that handle doesn't fit my hand the way I like.
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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2018, 10:38 AM »
I liked mine from the get go. But some folks don’t.  Wera isn’t the only game in town either. Take a look at Felo, Gedore, Wiha, Hazet.

KC Tools handles them 

https://www.kctoolco.com

Snap-on screwdrivers also get rave reviews as well

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2018, 11:29 AM »
Question for the long term Wera users. Did you find the handles comfortable from the beginning or did it take a while to get used to them? Every time I pick one up in the store that handle doesn't fit my hand the way I like.


The handle comfort / ergo is going to really depend on the person. I liked the Wera from the start. If you really want to know I suggest getting one in a common size and trying it out. The way it feels just holding it compared to using it can be quite different ....... which goes for any brand.

In general I don't like handles that are completely covered in grippy material. I find that it makes them hard to turn quickly. The Wera 300 series is a nice combination of grip and quick turning.

My other favorite handle is on the old Craftsman Pro series. When they were solid hard handles (the bottom one in the picture, no longer available) not the newer mixed material.

If looking at Snap On they make two different handle types.



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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2018, 12:23 PM »
I wanted to buy a few Wera screwdrivers, but I didn't cuz they all have the same color handle and are indistinguishable from each other in a tool bag. I like to know exactly what I'm pulling out of the bag even when tools are in the wrong place at times

Same here, I found that Felo set. They are the same color but with identification from the top. It's hard to find a complete set and buying individually comes pretty expensive  [mad]

I bet Wiha, Wera and Felo are all sleeping in the same bed  [eek] (nothing wrong with that tho)

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2018, 05:15 PM »
Hi!

Cool scores Seth!

Seems you had the same luck with that panel that I have when dismantling something: There's always that one type screw/bolt you didn't expect to find in there. lol.  [eek] [blink] [scared] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2018, 02:43 AM »
Since the thread is „Wera goodness“, have you checked the wooden style WERAs?



I inherited some and like them.
But I do prefer the Kraftform handles, and as others said, liked them from the get-go.

But we are all snowflakes! So take what fits you, snowflake. ;)


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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2018, 02:05 PM »
Thanks to you guys, I've joined the Wera bandwagon.

I just bought the Wera Kraftform Big Pack 300 14-piece screwdriver set with wall mountable rack (that I doubt I use).  Wera part number 05105630001.

I paid $78.99 with free shipping on eBay.  They're running a 10% eBay Bucks promo through tonight that you have to activate first.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/253114917084

Slotted Screwdriver: 3.5 x 0.6 x 100mm
Slotted Screwdriver: 4.0 x 0.8 x 100mm
Slotted Screwdriver: 6.5 x 1.2 x 150mm
Phillips Screwdriver: #1 x 80mm
Phillips Screwdriver: #2 x 100mm
Phillips Screwdriver: #3 x 150mm
Pozidriv Screwdriver: #1 x 80mm
Pozidriv Screwdriver: #2 x 100mm
Pozidriv Screwdriver: #3 x 150mm
Torx Screwdriver: TX 10 x 80mm
Torx Screwdriver: TX 15 x 80mm
Torx Screwdriver: TX 20 x 100mm
Torx Screwdriver: TX 25 x 100mm
Torx Screwdriver: TX 30 x 115mm

I also bought #1, #2, and #3 Square drive Wera screwdrivers individually.  I could not find these in a set.  I really wish the handles were green and black but for some reason they are red and gray.  (#1 - 05100070001, #2 - 05100071001, & #3 - 05100072001)

I'm already thinking about Wera nutdrivers and I don't even have these yet.  Slippery slope indeed.

« Last Edit: June 14, 2018, 02:09 PM by deepcreek »
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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2018, 02:10 PM »
Nice! I have all those drivers. Never been anything but great for me! Hope you like em!
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Offline Dick Mahany

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2018, 02:16 PM »
Nice purchase.  I bought the Wera Kraftform 3mm and 5mm hex drivers and dedicated them to my MFT3 setup tools.  To my hand they are the most comfortable drivers in my tool box.

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2018, 03:38 PM »
The square drive are color coded for the sizes. Black / Gray ( #3?) , Red #2 , Green #1.

Wera has recently started adding color ID to the handle end for other drive types. Be interested to know if you get the newer or older handle markings?

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2018, 06:46 PM »
The square drive are color coded for the sizes. Black / Gray ( #3?) , Red #2 , Green #1.

I know I shouldn't care what color they are but for some weird reason I want consistency.

You can get the square drives with red & gray in all three sizes if they come packaged for retail sale.  Not sure why the colors vary for bulk sales of the same sizes.
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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2018, 06:58 PM »
The square drive are color coded for the sizes. Black / Gray ( #3?) , Red #2 , Green #1.

I know I shouldn't care what color they are but for some weird reason I want consistency.

Me too! So now after reading that they are switching to coloring their drivers Im happy I bought all of mine already so that all ming match. I never was too into the color coding deal as its not like there is any standard among manufacturers so I doubt Ill ever memorize which color is which. I suppose I might get more used to grabbing the colors I use the most, but still I dont think it would be that useful.
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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2018, 11:53 PM »
The color coding isn't the entire handle. It's only on the top of the handle at the very end.

http://products.wera.de/en/screwdrivers_kraftform_plus__series_300_334_sk_6.html

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2018, 01:22 AM »
I finally received my Wera order after the shipment got lost in transit.

Unfortunately I just learned that while Wera is a German company, their screwdrivers are made in the Czech Republic.

I'm not thrilled by this discovery.  I value German craftsmanship as much as their engineering.

I am seriously considering returning them and buying either Felo or Wiha instead.

Any thoughts?
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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2018, 04:36 AM »
Hi!

Wera "always" had an entry line of screwdrivers made in Czech Republic - those were sold as rather cheap sets in typical "DIY-Markets". They were called "Kraftkant" - while "Kraftform" were higher end.

Somewhere in 2005, others list 2007 - complete production was shifted to Czech Republic.

But they are very good at "hiding" this in plain sight - many people don't know/notice and still think they get a "Made in Germany" product. Truth is, only their "self-service packaging" - those black boxes with soft touch finish - those are made in Germany. And the packaging only! (They even state this on the box: "Packaging made in Germany".

I have truly ambivalent feelings about this.

Wera actually makes great products and I trust their VDE tools. Personally I think their use of terms like "Designed in Germany" on displays, with German flag and all - is misleading and calculated/ done on purpose - the same goes for their "Tool Rebels" marketing approach - but who am I to judge? And I have said this before, they surely focus more on the financially stable DIY'er/ occasional user with their "Apple'esque" packaging and "self service" shelves in "DIY-Markets". But then again, there are enough Pros using their VDE tools, and rely on their really large selection of bits, speciality bits and bit holders ...

I will add that I wasn't very pleased when I found out that everything I had bought more recently came from/ was made in CZ, because for a long time I was sure, I was buying a product that was made only 30 miles from where I live. Then again, the quality is what you buy these for - and the quality is surely there - no matter of COO.

So while my personal purchases of Wera have certainly dropped sharply ever since, I still have and use plenty of their tools, bits, bit holder ... And I'm pleased with them, they are high quality.

In regard to your question:

If COO matters to you and you were under the impression of buying "Made in Germany" tools for the very reason that they are actually made in Germany - return them, they are not - none of Wera's portfolio is.

If you wanted reliable, high quality screwdrivers - you got them, keep them.

It's really all I can say.

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2018, 06:57 AM »
@six-point socket II

They are not the only ones - Metabo, AEG etc., 'German Design' or 'German Engineering' but made in China. Even 'you know who' with elements of some batteries.

And Sysrock -
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/sysrock-made-is-china/
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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2018, 08:11 AM »
I don't have any problems with that at all, honestly.  [smile]

Wera is a special case to me, because I felt somewhat "deceived" because for a long time I was sure when buying their higher end products I was buying a Product made in Germany.

Nothing in their old catalogs, or when buying single screwdrivers from the self-serice display, for example pointed to Czech Republic as COO. And if they had communicated that clearer, I wouldn't have taken any issue with it. And the fact that now, 10 or more years after the shift has been made, people still think they buy a Product made in Germany, shows that their communication on this aspect isn't as clear as it could be. (Should be, imho.)

But again, that is just my personal view/opinion and how I felt/feel.

This post, and my post from 04:36 AM is not to be seen as a/(my) general statement on the overall "COO issue" - because that would go much deeper (for me) and I have a very diverse/ many different views on that depending on what the product is and who the manufacturer behind it is and so on ...

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2018, 08:43 AM »
I don't have any problems with that at all, honestly.  [smile]

Wera is a special case to me, because I felt somewhat "deceived" because for a long time I was sure when buying their higher end products I was buying a Product made in Germany.

Nothing in their old catalogs, or when buying single screwdrivers from the self-serice display, for example pointed to Czech Republic as COO. And if they had communicated that clearer, I wouldn't have taken any issue with it. And the fact that now, 10 or more years after the shift has been made, people still think they buy a Product made in Germany, shows that their communication on this aspect isn't as clear as it could be. (Should be, imho.)

But again, that is just my personal view/opinion and how I felt/feel.

This post, and my post from 04:36 AM is not to be seen as a/(my) general statement on the overall "COO issue" - because that would go much deeper (for me) and I have a very diverse/ many different views on that depending on what the product is and who the manufacturer behind it is and so on ...

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Hi Oliver
I highly value your writing here and my thinking and viewing is identical with you. So thanks and nice to have you here. [smile]
While back I was looking for a hand deburring tool and I came across the Gedore. I did buy it and I like the tool a lot. But my problem is, this item is sold almost everywhere under the Made in Germany but go to this link and look under the country of origin and you can see that there are three countries involved in this little had tool.

 https://www.kctoolco.com/gedore-8730-deburrer/

 

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2018, 09:02 AM »
Hi,

Thank you very much!

The handle is made by Oplast -> http://www.oplast.si/index.php?id=8&tip=vsebina&vsebina=6&jezik=en

It's Gedore's 1/4" Multi Grip. As far as I know quite a couple of the Gedore handles are made there.

The bit holder is Gedore Germany, and the 1/4" deburring bit, if I had to guess (and it's nothing more than a guess) I'd say it's made by Noga of Israel -> http://www.noga.com/

So 3 COO because it's actually 3 single pieces :)

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2018, 09:37 AM »
...and the 1/4" deburring bit, if I had to guess (and it's nothing more than a guess) I'd say it's made by Noga of Israel -> http://www.noga.com/

Hey Oliver you're probably right, or the bit could also be made by Vargus/Shaviv which also has manufacturing in Israel.

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2018, 10:31 AM »
These days its becoming not so much WHERE products are made, but how much time and effort the parent company is spending on sending their OWN people to that country of manufacture to monitor and keep up with quality control. If they are spending the money to do that, then it really doesnt matter whose factory the product comes from, just that its held to stringent quality standards.
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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2018, 10:46 AM »
Rationally speaking, yes absolutely.

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Re: Some new Wera goodness!
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2018, 11:15 AM »
@six-point socket II - I really appreciate your in depth explanation about Wera.

My issue is I feel deceived.  I bought three loose square drive screwdrivers that came with a retail "hanger".  That's where I noticed the "Made in Czech Rep." notation.  It's not on the tools themselves.  I had to look hard to find the COO on the back of the box of the 14 piece set.  Also made in Czech Republic.

I should have dug deeper.  I shouldn't have assumed.  It may not even matter.  I may be a tool snob.  But still, it ticks me off.
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