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« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2012, 03:24 PM » |
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Uhm, this might be a really stupid question, but does the Worksharp sold in the UK have a 220V motor? (Since I've learned that some tools actualy use 110V there... just to be on the safe side  ) As a general rule all workshop equipment in uk is 240v and 110v is for site use , so equipment meant for workshop usually only available in 240/220 v +1 what Dave said Pretty much every tool in UK is made for 240v in the UK and then their will often be a 110v version available if its considered a tool which would likely be used on site. A worksharp is not likely to be used on site so ill be very surprised if their is a 110v available in UK |
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« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2012, 07:07 PM » |
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Well, this is seriously not becoming any easier... Thanks for great advice, but I'm seriously torn between the WS & T-3.
Both are on sale with the base machine costing about £200 and both come with a knife jig and jig for plane blades up to 2" width. And to add to the pain once you get a few accessories for either machine (knife kit, the wide attachment + extra leather disk + extra glass disk + fine honing abrasives for the WS and the hand tool jig kit for the Tormek to match features) their prices still pretty much match at around £370. Which then irritatingly puts both of them very close to the starting price of £489 for the base Tormek T-7 machine with the basic blade jig.
Seeing that all I really need to sharpen are my batch of Stanley Bailey & Bahco chisels, two Stanley 2" plane blades and the occational knife, axe or scissors I guess I could get away with either system, but I'm torn between the convenience of not needing water with the WS and the known Swedish quality & engineering and endless possibilities of the Tormek jigs that don't need today.
Since you can now get a toolbar addon for the WS to use all the Tormek jigs on one I'm wondering wouldn't that make it the more versatile gadget without the water related storage problem and more grits available via the sanding disks than the Tormek two grits on the stone + leather wheel?
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« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2012, 07:51 PM » |
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Well, this is seriously not becoming any easier... Thanks for great advice, but I'm seriously torn between the WS & T-3.
Both are on sale with the base machine costing about £200 and both come with a knife jig and jig for plane blades up to 2" width. And to add to the pain once you get a few accessories for either machine (knife kit, the wide attachment + extra leather disk + extra glass disk + fine honing abrasives for the WS and the hand tool jig kit for the Tormek to match features) their prices still pretty much match at around £370. Which then irritatingly puts both of them very close to the starting price of £489 for the base Tormek T-7 machine with the basic blade jig.
Seeing that all I really need to sharpen are my batch of Stanley Bailey & Bahco chisels, two Stanley 2" plane blades and the occational knife, axe or scissors I guess I could get away with either system, but I'm torn between the convenience of not needing water with the WS and the known Swedish quality & engineering and endless possibilities of the Tormek jigs that don't need today.
Since you can now get a toolbar addon for the WS to use all the Tormek jigs on one I'm wondering wouldn't that make it the more versatile gadget without the water related storage problem and more grits available via the sanding disks than the Tormek two grits on the stone + leather wheel?
Does it help to know that on this side of the pond the T-3 costs almost twice as much as the WS 3000? Mechanically I think the T-3 is a good bit more machine than the WS but the WS is probably more convenient. Also, there may come a time when you can no longer get the authentic accessories for the WS. I'd guess that time would come before it happens with the T-3 but who knows. However, you can make disks of MDF to hold conventional PSA backed abrasives so even if all the other accesories dissapear you can still sharpen, and as you said, if you get the Tormek adaptor bad for the WS you should be able to sharpen most anything... |
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« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2012, 09:13 PM » |
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Ray,
Keep in mind that for your purposes after the initial sharpening and honing, you won't need to do a lot of sharpening. I want to emphasize that I see you doing home projects on a "as you have time basis" and I really don't think you need to worry about sharpening on a steady basis unless you get into some heavy duty construction. My initial suggestion I think is the right solution for you a minimum investment in stones or flat plates and a good guide, you'll save a lot of money that you can use to buy the XL 700 Domino Joiner (which I ordered earlier last week).
Jack
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Kev
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« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2012, 08:00 AM » |
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Normally I'd push the purist barrow and say get the Tormek ... but I know you have the issue of getting tools in and out and that you'd probably stick with mid grade chisels generally ... so I'd say go Worksharp for a smaller, lighter, easier to move unit with less mess.
When I got the T7, I was looking T7 system, with hand tool jigs and drill sharpening jigs v's a WS3000 and a Drill Doctor 750. I could have gone with a step down transformer and got the WS+DD from the US and spent a third of what I did locally on the Tormek locally ... but I'm just fussy and would alway tend towards the higher end stuff - even though my skill doesn't justify it.
Kev.
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« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2012, 08:59 AM » |
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personally if it all boils down to usability and eaase of use then i would go for the worksharp. tyou can leave it there set up adn just flick a switch and away you go no water no water spray,no drying wheels or waiting for the water to soak in.
i find that i wait too long to sharpen chisels because of the hassel of setting up the tormak.
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« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2012, 02:26 PM » |
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Thanks all, I guess I'll have to put some serious pricing excel & Google to work and figure what is the analytically best choice. Looking at 3x large enough waterstones & Veritas angle jig seems to match the T3 & WS discount prices of about £200. So I guess the only really cheaper option is the granite tile with water sandpaper DIY version. I actually just might try it out since I have some left-over granite floor tiles in the shed from re-tiling the downstairs floors. I must admit that I'm very much a machine guy and I only use hand tools when I have to and therefore I can't see myself buying even the 'double cherry' quality/price chisels much less the super tasty stuff from down-under or Switzerland... If I had unlimited space & budget I'd so be into CNC & 3D printing on a large scale  |
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« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2012, 03:52 AM » |
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If I had unlimited space & budget I'd so be into CNC & 3D printing on a large scale I was in a funny place in my head the other day ... thinking "semi artificial wood". Imagine setting up something like a piece of formwork and laying in a substrate (a bit like you effectively do with carbon fibre) and introducing something that grows in the mould. I don't know exactly how this could work, but if it could it would bring larger slabs back into the affordable world. C'mon science ... this'd be a good one to solve ... yeh ... along with cancer, hunger, poverty ,etc.  |
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« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2012, 04:28 PM » |
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OK, I have the answer - the new Festool Power Chisel with self sharpening! Ya better pre-order now because these are going to selling very quickly  |
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« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2012, 04:37 PM » |
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Now that would be something Maybe throw in a hand held auto-leveling laser guided plane that will level arbitraty sized and shaped objects to selectable spec without human intervention - just fire and forget like modern robotic hoovers |
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« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2012, 02:52 PM » |
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« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2012, 07:53 PM » |
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Now that would be something Maybe throw in a hand held auto-leveling laser guided plane that will level arbitraty sized and shaped objects to selectable spec without human intervention - just fire and forget like modern robotic hoovers Ah, I think Festool's Engineering Department is looking for you Ray |
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