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Been waiting for this one. bevel gauge, sliding bevel , T bevel, or what ever you want to call it. Bevel GaugeSeth |
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2012, 08:08 PM » |
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Looks like it might be an improved version of my Japanese tool. What do you think of it, Seth?
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Looks like it might be an improved version of my Japanese tool. What do you think of it, Seth?
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2012, 08:31 PM » |
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Ref is to a thin metal plate with scribed lines to set multiple angles. Place the bevel on edge of plate and either read or set an angle. Works very well.
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I've got one of these things, works great for measuring and transfering angles. When I was a kid, it also worked great as a sword. Been in the family for over 40 years. An angle reference is probably something to measure angles. You'll need it with this tool. I use this:  |
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Looks like it might be an improved version of my Japanese tool. What do you think of it, Seth?
Don't have it yet. It just went up for preorder today. But it is one that I had suggested, so I am really looking forward to it. Seth |
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Looks like it might be an improved version of my Japanese tool. What do you think of it, Seth?
Don't have it yet. It just went up for preorder today. But it is one that I had suggested, so I am really looking forward to it. Seth I know you don't have it.  I was just curious what you thought of it compared to the one's we use now. I guess I'm looking for some positive reinforcement to lay out the money for the set. |
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2012, 09:06 PM » |
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The Sutherland Tool Bevel Boss is a great gage for setting the bevel gauge angles. http://www.sutherlandtool.com/bevelboss.html |
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I love this tool. I have had one for years, yet I am disappointed that it doesn't have a cord attached. Ken -  Peter |
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I like the Veritas design with the cam lever as it allows me to lock it with one finger - makes it easier to use if I have to reach into a corner
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2012, 10:12 PM » |
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Ken, Anodized aluminum and stainless steel = no maintenance, I hate having to keep things from rusting / tarnishing. No wood or plastic to warp or deform. The bottom end lock means the mechanism won't be in the way on either side.  Seth |
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I like the Veritas design with the cam lever as it allows me to lock it with one finger - makes it easier to use if I have to reach into a corner
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You can also use the lever on both sides of the Veritas gauge.
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I like the Veritas design with the cam lever as it allows me to lock it with one finger - makes it easier to use if I have to reach into a corner
+1 on that. I've bought four of the "limited run" tools from Woodpeckers, but can't see buying this one unless it has a cam lock. Unlike twisting a bolt, which tends to change the angle, the cam lock keeps the angle true. I also own a Shinwa, but haven't used it in years since buying the Veritas. Regards, John |
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There is another new bevel gauge that was announced in July 2011 that shipped soon after and that is true to the Robinson patent. In my opinion after using it, this is an excellent bevel gauge. I have no financial interest in this business, but I can say that the tool works well and that it has retired my trusty Bridge City and Shinwa bevel gauges. That it is a rugged tool, has the lock on the end and a switch to lock it at 90 degrees are the main product features.  This bevel gauge is Patrick Leach’s exact copy of Isaiah Robinson’s 1872 improved patent sliding bevel with sliding tab for quick setting 90 degrees to make it function as a double square. It a 100% true copy, faithful to original patent, handmade in Massachusetts. Exact down to the last detail, the 9” long blade can be set to any angle desired and then quickly locked in place by turning the large thumb screw. What most copies miss is that the patent covers a bevel gauge that can snap to and be locked at 90 degrees. It was a quantum leap in bevel design, and an engineering achievement for its time, loads of mass (weighs nearly one pound), it works as well as it looks. I don’t think any other bevel gauge has a detent to lock at 90 degrees for use as a square. For information, email Patrick Leach at leach@supertool.comGary |
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There is another new bevel gauge that was announced in July 2011 that shipped soon after and that is true to the Robinson patent. In my opinion after using it, this is an excellent bevel gauge. I have no financial interest in this business, but I can say that the tool works well and that it has retired my trusty Bridge City and Shinwa bevel gauges. That it is a rugged tool, has the lock on the end and a switch to lock it at 90 degrees are the main product features. [ ERROR: SPECIFIED ATTACHMENT MISSING ] This bevel gauge is Patrick Leach’s exact copy of Isaiah Robinson’s 1872 improved patent sliding bevel with sliding tab for quick setting 90 degrees to make it function as a double square. It a 100% true copy, faithful to original patent, handmade in Massachusetts. Exact down to the last detail, the 9” long blade can be set to any angle desired and then quickly locked in place by turning the large thumb screw. What most copies miss is that the patent covers a bevel gauge that can snap to and be locked at 90 degrees. It was a quantum leap in bevel design, and an engineering achievement for its time, loads of mass (weighs nearly one pound), it works as well as it looks. I don’t think any other bevel gauge has a detent to lock at 90 degrees for use as a square. For information, email Patrick Leach at leach@supertool.comGary Patrick is a great guy & I really enjoy dealing with him on old tools. I am a tool nut (surprise, surprise) so I have several old Stanley's, the Lee Valley sliding bevel and yes, even Patrick's true to the Robinson patent sliding bevel. He did a marvelous job on the recreation and the "square slide" works perfectly. An outstanding tool! |
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looks like woodpeckers added a video but still no pic of their angle reference
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Love my lee Valley! The switch lock is fast easy and sturdy. The blade is stainless steel and the wooden handle keeps it light. Veritas claims that the finish on the handle is resin impregnated and bloody waterproof. Love this tool!
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You can also use the lever on both sides of the Veritas gauge.
Does the Veritas gauge have a lever on both sides? I am thinking it is only on one side. You can of course slide/flip the blade over to the other direction, but that doesn't work if you need the angle on the end of the blade up/down in a particular situation. Twist lock at end or lever lock at pivot. Kind of depends on preference and usage. They both beat the side knob hands down. Seth |
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Lever is on just one side of the Veritas; as you mention, you can flip the blade sides to put the lever where convenient. I can't picture the situation you are referring to. Advantage of a lever, minor I know, is one-handed operation. Coincidentally last night I needed to transfer some angles and had to hold parts in place. Very easy to tip the blade with a finger while locking into place. What bugs me is that they are difficult to transfer to a drawing since the body can lie flat, but the blade is in the air. Usually use a jointed board to abut the blade and mark the line, but a hassle. Luckily found a BS-5 and BS-10 last week. They have the knob on the face, but at least you can more easily transfer to drawings. If Veritas made a lever version of this (since the lever is their patent, I believe), I'd be there in a heartbeat. |
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Just picked one up from the display in Lee Valley Saturday - for $20, can't go wrong. Anyway, the digital is very acurate - some pretty handy features - digital readout flips to read from both directions and you can get the complimentary angle with a button push (if you have trouble with subtraction  ). I like it because I can get in tighter spots than with my digital angle finder. I doubt I'd pay the UK price - 4X the Lee Valley price! |
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Lever is on just one side of the Veritas; as you mention, you can flip the blade sides to put the lever where convenient. I can't picture the situation you are referring to. Advantage of a lever, minor I know, is one-handed operation. Coincidentally last night I needed to transfer some angles and had to hold parts in place. Very easy to tip the blade with a finger while locking into place. What bugs me is that they are difficult to transfer to a drawing since the body can lie flat, but the blade is in the air. Usually use a jointed board to abut the blade and mark the line, but a hassle. Luckily found a BS-5 and BS-10 last week. They have the knob on the face, but at least you can more easily transfer to drawings. If Veritas made a lever version of this (since the lever is their patent, I believe), I'd be there in a heartbeat. Back in the day (before we got CAD) I used tools like this to create the drawings. It sometimes comes in handy to transfer an angle to the sliding bevel.   I apologize for the "non-Marcel" quality of the pictures...  |
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You can also use the lever on both sides of the Veritas gauge.
Does the Veritas gauge have a lever on both sides? I am thinking it is only on one side. You can of course slide/flip the blade over to the other direction, but that doesn't work if you need the angle on the end of the blade up/down in a particular situation. Twist lock at end or lever lock at pivot. Kind of depends on preference and usage. They both beat the side knob hands down. Seth Partway through this thread, the quote that put my comment in context was left out. I was referring to this measuring tool which was a reply to a previous comment about what an angle reference is. http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=52403&cat=1,42936,50298,52403 |
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« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2012, 08:57 AM » |
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 Woodpecker just edited their YouTube video to show the setting gage -- very similar to the Sutherland tool except they have it graduated in 1/4 degree increments -- very nice.
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Yes, the Angle Reference Plate is simple but looks very functional. I like that it is thick so it can be placed flat and have the bevel blade right on it. Seth |
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After I was done setting up the Festool booth at the Somerset Woodworking Show today, I took a stroll around the show floor to look at the other vendors. Low and behold, Woodpeckers is there! Guess what they have on display??? The 7" bevel sliding T square!!! I played with it for a while and I can now say it is awesome! Heavy duty is the best way to describe this thing. I've seen and used a lot of different sliding T squares over the years and this is the best I've come across. THICK stainless steel blade with a solid aluminum handle and the "vise" type tightening lever is pretty darn good with the exception of being sharp on the edges of the little bar. They need to spend the time to deburr it for that kind of money. Super smooth action and the blade swings a full 360 degrees within the handle. Lots of good vendors there with loads of accessories, tools, my friend has an antique tool booth, free woodworking seminars and even Felder/Hammer is there with their machines. Pictures |
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Ron, What hole? That's a viewing window to your Woodpeckers bill. Right or left eye, your preference. |
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... even Felder/Hammer is there with their machines.
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I'm curious why they drilled a hole near the bevel end of the blade? Perhaps just for their display model.
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Anyone know what the claimed accuracy is for the angle plate? Maybe they don't specify it, but I'm thinking it's on the web site and I'm just not seeing it. Emailed their "mailroom" a couple days ago but haven't heard back yet. Thanks for any help you can give.
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Anyone know what the claimed accuracy is for the angle plate? Maybe they don't specify it, but I'm thinking it's on the web site and I'm just not seeing it. Emailed their "mailroom" a couple days ago but haven't heard back yet. Thanks for any help you can give.
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If I remember, I'll see if Kathy Hummel at the show knows or can find out.
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The angle plate is marked down to the quarter-degree. Is that what you meant by accuracy? From their site: http://www.woodpeck.com/anglereferenceplate.html"The broad face of the plate allows the engraved angle lines to be spaced for easy reading. You can easily distinguish whole degrees because they're solid lines. Half-degrees are dashed, while quarter-degrees are dotted. " As an aside, I got one of the recently-released everywhere (LV, Woodcraft, Rockler) "General" digital bevel gauges... just wanted something to use while waiting on the Woodpecker model.. what a POJ. The main 'handle' is plastic! It's just silvery plastic. Returning that thing. =/ Putting the bucks towards the WP model and the angle gauge. |
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I believe John was referring to "accuracy" as contrasted with "precision". Those of us in the physical sciences have either internalized the difference or had it beaten into us some time in the past.
Accuracy has to do with whether or not the measurements are correct and if they would be reproducible on another similar device or on one that is far more accurate.
Precision in the case of the Woodpeckers tool has to do with the printed measurements. The measurements are marked to the quarter of a degree, which is the precision, and can be easily read to that number. Perhaps some will feel that if the lines are thin that they can read to the 1/8 of a degree and might say that is the precision.
But are these printed numbers correct? Is the angle marked as 12-1/4 degrees really 12.250 degrees? If the world's most perfect miter saw (mine is dark blue-black with bright green latches) is set to the angle Woodpeckers claims is 22-1/2 degrees and if eight boards are cut to the same length with that angle on each end, will they then form a perfect octagon with no gaps at the joints? If they do, then the measurements were accurate. If they don't, then although the precision was marked nicely on the red aluminum, it wasn't accurate enough for our work.
The Woodpeckers setup gauge has a stated precision of 1/4 degree, but I don't believe they state the accuracy, as Starrett might do.
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Right , accuracy. Woodpecker's usually states the accuracy. Based on their production methods I think it is probably better than needed. I have found their markings from one tool to another to be really consistant as well.
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I am also interested in the accuracy of the angle plate. Any good measuring tool must have a stated accuracy. And Gary mentioned Starrett, so I tried to look up the accuracy of their protractors. For their 490/491 series protractors, which most woodworkers might use, Starrett does not state an accuracy! At least it wasn't in the catalog. For their vernier-style protractors, the accuracy is better than 1/12 degree.
Guess I will wait to see about the angle plate
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« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2012, 08:00 AM » |
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Sal and I stopped by the woodpecker booth and they called woodpeckers direct and told use both the larger and smaller bevel square will feature the hole in the blade. The hole is for hanging the tool up.
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« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2012, 03:07 PM » |
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Hello all,
With regards to the accuracy of the Angle Reference Plates, the prototypes pictured are accurate to a minimum of 1/8 degree. I realize that isn't all that good however I expect the production units to be much better. We have the engraver calibrated in the X-axis to within a couple thousandths across 50" however the Y-axis asn't been calibrated yet. That will be done before these pieces are made. Our digital Heidanhain glass scale was out for repair while I was making these. Please feel free to contact me if you would like anymore information.
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« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2012, 04:11 PM » |
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Ronwen,
Thanks for the correction. You're right, "maximum" of 1/8 degree.
Rich
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« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2012, 04:35 PM » |
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Rich A plea from the Woodpecker fanatics on this side of the pond, any chance of more metric stuff?? If you say no then my wallet with breath a sigh of relief, but if you say yes well just gotta work harder to afford it!!  |
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« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2012, 05:29 PM » |
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« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2012, 09:36 PM » |
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With regards to the accuracy of the Angle Reference Plates, the prototypes pictured are accurate to a minimum of 1/8 degree. Thanks Rich! BTW, I thought you chose "maximum" correctly, but I was assuming you meant that at any given setting the maximum deviation from "perfect" would be no greater than 1/8 degree. Is that right? Regards, John |
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« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2012, 11:35 PM » |
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Well stated Gary.
Young, sharp eyes can easily discern down to ~.005 or perhaps a little better on a good day. Laser etching doesn't make much of a "groove", mainly just burning through the (red) anodizing. If you'll notice on most Starrett scales the hash marks are slightly grooved into the scale so a sharp awl can sit in the depression for setting tools (in this case a bevel square). That relieves the eyes of having to judge the position.
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« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2012, 01:37 PM » |
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John,
I'm not sure what the correct nomenclature is however the deviation from perfect is not greater than 1/8 degree. As mentioned previously, the production units will be better. Thanks.
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« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2012, 01:46 PM » |
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We're still waiting for him to offer the sharpening jig which he gave us a peek at WIA.  The honing guides are back at the top of the drawing board. Further development will begin in earnest. As to whether our tools will be better than the Mark II or Tormek, I believe both of those are thoughtfully designed, easy to use and well made. However that's not to say there isn't room for improvement. Tool development is typically an incremental improvement process where you start with what's good and if possible, make it better. I got into this business because I love tools and can't seem to get enough of them. And like probably all of you, always say "man wouldn't it be great if this thing....". Rich |
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« Reply #50 on: February 29, 2012, 05:14 PM » |
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I handled the woodpecker bevel gauge at the Somerset Exhibition Center woodworking show, NJ, this past Friday. Feel is nice and it locks solid. I like that the tightener has a slide in it, it's helpful. Pricey, but they do stand behind there products.
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« Reply #51 on: February 29, 2012, 08:43 PM » |
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Richard, I'm pleased to see that you are expanding the set-up block sets to 34 pieces to include commonly used sizes e.g. 5/8" and nominal ply thicknesses.
I watched the video but don't yet see them on the ordering site.
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Richard, I'm pleased to see that you are expanding the set-up block sets to 34 pieces to include commonly used sizes e.g. 5/8" and nominal ply thicknesses.
I watched the video but don't yet see them on the ordering site.
I used this URL http://www.woodpeck.com/ottdeluxesetup.htmlYeah, the cart was pushing the horse last evening when they released the YouTube video. I bought just the metric set last time. Would like to buy the 34 block set but the $249 price is a hard pill to swallow  |
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« Reply #53 on: February 29, 2012, 09:22 PM » |
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The new setup block gauges is now being shown on the Woodpeckers Web Site.
Sal
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« Reply #54 on: February 29, 2012, 09:49 PM » |
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the deviation...is not greater than 1/8 degree. As mentioned previously, the production units will be better.
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« Reply #55 on: March 01, 2012, 08:09 AM » |
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I'm with you on that one... They had a subset on display at the WW Show in Somerset this past weekend. It looked nice but when I saw the price tag, $139.00, I moved on without looking at it in detail. Kreg has their own, somewhat similar, offering, albeit, with fewer parts; 7 vs.  , and only $40.00. Kreg's is geared towards router setup but can be used in table saw situations. I bought just the metric set last time. Would like to buy the 34 block set but the $249 price is a hard pill to swallow |
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« Reply #56 on: June 16, 2012, 06:37 PM » |
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Woodpecker's gauges came today. Very nice. Really solid, the blade is about twice as thick as others I have (seen). Lock works well very easy to adjust the tension from completely loose to just grabbing ( for adjusting) to really tight. Satin finish on blades is nice.
The angle gauge plate works well too.
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Seth, what length did you get? Eric
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« Reply #58 on: June 16, 2012, 06:53 PM » |
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Got my set today, I really like the finish on the blade as well as the anodizing on the frames.. Got both sizes and the angle gauge, real good deal I believe  Sal |
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« Reply #60 on: June 16, 2012, 11:23 PM » |
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Seth, what length did you get? Eric
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That is a really nice gauge. Im very on the fence about the Woodpeckers bc of the price. I have been so impressed with there stuff though. Totally the type of tool i would get after signing a big kitchen contract, Eric
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« Reply #62 on: July 21, 2012, 05:12 PM » |
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I've been working on a project that requires several angle settings so I've been using the new Woodpecker sliding bevel as well as a couple of others. I'm finding the sliding "Tee" knob somewhat annoying -- it seems to slide into my way most of the time and/or be at an awkward position for locking the square, I would much prefer just a knurled knob for locking the square. I hate to take more points away but when using this square with my BCT Angle Master Pro the non-magnetic stainless blade looses points -- it's much easier setting my Veritas sliding bevel because it snaps right onto the AMP & allows for one hand locking of the thumb lever. Normally the non-magnetic stainless would be a plus but not with the Angle Master Pro. Just some observations while I'm working. http://bridgecitytools.com/anglemaster/data/index.htmlhttp://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=32593&cat=1,42936,50298,43508&pb=1#pb |
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