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Offline Ken Nagrod

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Re: Bevel Gauges
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2012, 07:49 PM »
After I was done setting up the Festool booth at the Somerset Woodworking Show today, I took a stroll around the show floor to look at the other vendors.  Low and behold, Woodpeckers is there!  Guess what they have on display???  The 7" bevel sliding T square!!!

I played with it for a while and I can now say it is awesome!  Heavy duty is the best way to describe this thing.  I've seen and used a lot of different sliding T squares over the years and this is the best I've come across.  THICK stainless steel blade with a solid aluminum handle and the "vise" type tightening lever is pretty darn good with the exception of being sharp on the edges of the little bar.  They need to spend the time to deburr it for that kind of money.  Super smooth action and the blade swings a full 360 degrees within the handle.

Lots of good vendors there with loads of accessories, tools, my friend has an antique tool booth, free woodworking seminars and even Felder/Hammer is there with their machines.

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Re: Bevel Gauges
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2012, 08:27 PM »
Ron,

What hole?  That's a viewing window to your Woodpeckers bill.  [big grin]  Right or left eye, your preference.

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« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2012, 09:29 PM »

... even Felder/Hammer is there with their machines.


Better not go then. It could get expensive.

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« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2012, 10:00 PM »
I'm curious why they drilled a hole near the bevel end of the blade?  Perhaps just for their display model.

To hang it on a pegboard?

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Re: Bevel Gauges
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2012, 12:37 AM »
Anyone know what the claimed accuracy is for the angle plate?  Maybe they don't specify it, but I'm thinking it's on the web site and I'm just not seeing it.  Emailed their "mailroom" a couple days ago but haven't heard back yet.  Thanks for any help you can give.

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Re: Bevel Gauges
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2012, 01:03 AM »
Anyone know what the claimed accuracy is for the angle plate?  Maybe they don't specify it, but I'm thinking it's on the web site and I'm just not seeing it.  Emailed their "mailroom" a couple days ago but haven't heard back yet.  Thanks for any help you can give.

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John

I don't see it on the website either, but it is probably super accurate based on all there other stuff.


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« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2012, 02:09 AM »
If I remember, I'll see if Kathy Hummel at the show knows or can find out.
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« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2012, 11:02 AM »
The angle plate is marked down to the quarter-degree.  Is that what you meant by accuracy?

From their site:
http://www.woodpeck.com/anglereferenceplate.html

"The broad face of the plate allows the engraved angle lines to be spaced for easy reading. You can easily distinguish whole degrees because they're solid lines. Half-degrees are dashed, while quarter-degrees are dotted. "



As an aside, I got one of the recently-released everywhere (LV, Woodcraft, Rockler) "General" digital bevel gauges... just wanted something to use while waiting on the Woodpecker model.. what a POJ.  The main 'handle' is plastic!  It's just silvery plastic.  Returning that thing.  =/
Putting the bucks towards the WP model and the angle gauge.  
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Offline GaryLaroff

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Re: Bevel Gauges
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2012, 11:32 AM »
I believe John was referring to "accuracy" as contrasted with "precision".  Those of us in the physical sciences have either internalized the difference or had it beaten into us some time in the past.

Accuracy has to do with whether or not the measurements are correct and if they would be reproducible on another similar device or on one that is far more accurate.

Precision in the case of the Woodpeckers tool has to do with the printed measurements.  The measurements are marked to the quarter of a degree, which is the precision, and can be easily read to that number.  Perhaps some will feel that if the lines are thin that they can read to the 1/8 of a degree and might say that is the precision.

But are these printed numbers correct?  Is the angle marked as 12-1/4 degrees really 12.250 degrees?  If the world's most perfect miter saw (mine is dark blue-black with bright green latches) is set to the angle Woodpeckers claims is 22-1/2 degrees and if eight boards are cut to the same length with that angle on each end, will they then form a perfect octagon with no gaps at the joints?  If they do, then the measurements were accurate.  If they don't, then although the precision was marked nicely on the red aluminum, it wasn't accurate enough for our work.

The Woodpeckers setup gauge has a stated precision of 1/4 degree, but I don't believe they state the accuracy, as Starrett might do.

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Re: Bevel Gauges
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2012, 01:05 PM »
Right , accuracy. Woodpecker's usually states the accuracy. Based on their production methods I think it is probably better than needed.  I have found their markings from one tool to another to be  really consistant as well.


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Re: Bevel Gauges
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2012, 02:26 PM »
I am also interested in the accuracy of the angle plate.  Any good measuring tool must have a stated accuracy.  And Gary mentioned Starrett, so I tried to look up the accuracy of their protractors.  For their 490/491 series protractors, which most woodworkers might use, Starrett does not state an accuracy!  At least it wasn't in the catalog.  For their vernier-style protractors, the accuracy is better than 1/12 degree. 

Guess I will wait to see about the angle plate

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« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2012, 07:00 AM »
Sal and I stopped by the woodpecker booth and they called woodpeckers direct and told use both the larger and smaller bevel square will feature the hole in the blade. The hole is for hanging the tool up.

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Re: Bevel Gauges
« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2012, 02:07 PM »
Hello all,
With regards to the accuracy of the Angle Reference Plates, the prototypes pictured are accurate to a minimum of 1/8 degree. I realize that isn't all that good however I expect the production units to be much better. We have the engraver calibrated in the X-axis to within a couple thousandths across 50" however the Y-axis asn't been calibrated yet. That will be done before these pieces are made. Our digital Heidanhain glass scale was out for repair while I was making these. Please feel free to contact me if you would like anymore information.

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« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2012, 03:11 PM »
Ronwen,
Thanks for the correction. You're right, "maximum" of 1/8 degree.

Rich

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Re: Bevel Gauges
« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2012, 03:35 PM »
Rich

A plea from the Woodpecker fanatics on this side of the pond, any chance of more metric stuff??

If you say no then my wallet with breath a sigh of relief, but if you say yes well just gotta work harder to afford it!! [eek] [eek]
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« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2012, 04:29 PM »
We're still waiting for him to offer the sharpening jig which he gave us a peek at WIA.  [wink]

 [blink] [blink] [scared]

Cant beat my Veritas MkII and Tormek.......... can it??? [crying] [crying]
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Re: Bevel Gauges
« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2012, 08:36 PM »
With regards to the accuracy of the Angle Reference Plates, the prototypes pictured are accurate to a minimum of 1/8 degree.

Thanks Rich!

BTW, I thought you chose "maximum" correctly, but I was assuming you meant that at any given setting the maximum deviation from "perfect" would be no greater than 1/8 degree.  Is that right?

Regards,

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Re: Bevel Gauges
« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2012, 10:35 PM »


Well stated Gary.
 Young, sharp eyes can easily discern down to ~.005 or perhaps a little better on a good day.  Laser etching doesn't make much of a "groove", mainly just burning through the (red) anodizing.  If you'll notice on most Starrett scales the hash marks are slightly grooved into the scale so a sharp awl can sit in the depression for setting tools (in this case a bevel square).  That relieves the eyes of having to judge the position. 

Wow. "I did not know that".  Thanks Ron.

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« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2012, 12:37 PM »
John,
I'm not sure what the correct nomenclature is however the deviation from perfect is not greater than 1/8 degree. As mentioned previously, the production units will be better. Thanks.

Richard Hummel
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« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2012, 12:46 PM »
We're still waiting for him to offer the sharpening jig which he gave us a peek at WIA.  [wink]

The honing guides are back at the top of the drawing board. Further development will begin in earnest. As to whether our tools will be better than the Mark II or Tormek, I believe both of those are thoughtfully designed, easy to use and well made. However that's not to say there isn't room for improvement. Tool development is typically an incremental improvement process where you start with what's good and if possible, make it better. I got into this business because I love tools and can't seem to get enough of them. And like probably all of you, always say "man wouldn't it be great if this thing....".

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« Reply #50 on: February 29, 2012, 04:14 PM »
I handled the woodpecker bevel gauge at the Somerset Exhibition Center woodworking show, NJ, this past Friday. Feel is nice and it locks solid. I like that the tightener has a slide in it, it's helpful. Pricey, but they do stand behind there products.
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« Reply #51 on: February 29, 2012, 07:43 PM »
Richard, I'm pleased to see that you are expanding the set-up block sets to 34 pieces to include commonly used sizes e.g. 5/8" and nominal ply thicknesses.
I watched the video but don't yet see them on the ordering site.


I used this URL

http://www.woodpeck.com/ottdeluxesetup.html
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« Reply #52 on: February 29, 2012, 07:56 PM »
Richard, I'm pleased to see that you are expanding the set-up block sets to 34 pieces to include commonly used sizes e.g. 5/8" and nominal ply thicknesses.
I watched the video but don't yet see them on the ordering site.


I used this URL

http://www.woodpeck.com/ottdeluxesetup.html


Yeah, the cart was pushing the horse last evening when they released the YouTube video.


I bought just the metric set last time.  Would like to buy the 34 block set but the $249 price is a hard pill to swallow  [scared]
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Re: Bevel Gauges
« Reply #53 on: February 29, 2012, 08:22 PM »
The new setup block gauges is now being shown on the Woodpeckers Web Site.

Sal
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Re: Bevel Gauges
« Reply #54 on: February 29, 2012, 08:49 PM »
the deviation...is not greater than 1/8 degree. As mentioned previously, the production units will be better.

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« Reply #55 on: March 01, 2012, 07:09 AM »
I'm with you on that one...

They had a subset on display at the WW Show in Somerset this past weekend. It looked nice but when I saw the price tag, $139.00, I moved on without looking at it in detail.

Kreg has their own, somewhat similar, offering, albeit, with fewer parts; 7 vs. ???, and only $40.00.  Kreg's is geared towards router setup but can be used in table saw situations. 

I bought just the metric set last time.  Would like to buy the 34 block set but the $249 price is a hard pill to swallow  [scared]
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Re: Bevel Gauges
« Reply #56 on: June 16, 2012, 06:37 PM »
Woodpecker's gauges came today. Very nice. Really solid, the blade is about twice as thick as others I have (seen).  Lock works well very easy to adjust the tension from completely loose to just grabbing ( for adjusting) to really tight.   Satin finish on blades is nice.

The angle gauge plate  works well too.


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« Reply #57 on: June 16, 2012, 06:47 PM »
Seth, what length did you get? Eric

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« Reply #58 on: June 16, 2012, 06:53 PM »
Got my set today, I really like the finish on the blade as well as the anodizing on the frames..
Got both sizes and the angle gauge, real good deal I believe [smile]

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Re: Bevel Gauges
« Reply #59 on: June 16, 2012, 07:18 PM »
I have most models of bevel squares and with the possible exception of the Patrick Leach reproduction of J. Robinson's 1872 patent square which has the added feature of locking precisely at 90 degrees the Woodpecker version is at the top of the list -- very solidly built.

http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/chris-schwarz-blog/video-preview-superior-works-sliding-bevel?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+woodworkingmagazine+%28Woodworking+Magazine%29



EDIT:  I've been working on a project that requires several angle settings so I've been using the new Woodpecker sliding bevel as well as a couple of others.   I'm finding the sliding "Tee" knob somewhat annoying -- it seems to slide into my way most of the time and/or be at an awkward position for locking the square, I would much prefer just a knurled knob for locking the square. 

I hate to take more points away but when using this square with my BCT Angle Master Pro the non-magnetic stainless blade looses points -- it's much easier setting my Veritas sliding bevel because it snaps right onto the AMP & allows for one hand locking of the thumb lever.
Normally the non-magnetic stainless would be a plus but not with the Angle Master Pro.
Just some observations while I'm working.  [smile]

http://bridgecitytools.com/anglemaster/data/index.html

http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=32593&cat=1,42936,50298,43508&pb=1#pb
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