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Offline paradox1509

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Woodpeckers 1281 Square Hardness Mark Issue?
« on: April 15, 2016, 11:38 AM »
Hi All

Just bought a Woodpeckers 1281 Square and found a blemish on the long blade, but just been told by the supplier it's merely a hardness test mark and that they are on all Woodpeckers products. As it is the only substantial Woodpeckers item I have bought, just wondered if this is indeed the reason for the blemish.

 I bought it in conjunction with the mini square and cannot see any blemishes on this item and to be honest it looks more like a scratch than a hardness test and why didn't they do the same test on the mini square as its the same material.

I have emailed Woodpeckers direct but as yet I have not had a response

Many thanks for any replies

Rich

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Online Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers 1281 Square Hardness Mark Issue?
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2016, 12:41 PM »
I don't know, I have lots of their tools and I've never run across this issue. A clear picture of the offending mark will certainly help.

The hardness testing I'm familiar with would leave a small indentation.

Offline jobsworth

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Re: Woodpeckers 1281 Square Hardness Mark Issue?
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2016, 01:19 PM »
Post a photo so we know what your talking about

Offline RobBob

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Re: Woodpeckers 1281 Square Hardness Mark Issue?
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2016, 01:39 PM »
I think that mark is probably from where they connect the wires to do the anodizing.  I exchanged one because I thought it was scratched and Woodpeckers told me they all have a speck or mark where the wires are connected.  However, some marks are bigger than others.

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Re: Woodpeckers 1281 Square Hardness Mark Issue?
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2016, 01:50 PM »
... Woodpeckers told me they all have a speck or mark where the wires are connected.  However, some marks are bigger than others.


Now that makes more sense, all anodized aluminum items need to be hung on small wires and then placed in the anodization tank.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2016, 09:52 PM by Cheese »

Offline paradox1509

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Re: Woodpeckers 1281 Square Hardness Mark Issue?
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2016, 03:36 PM »
Hi All

Just had a response from Woodpeckers which is more palatable than hardness testing, it is also the same answer as yours xxcv.

Thanks for your answers fellas and agreed if it was a hardness test then it surely would of been an indent like Cheese mentioned, It's not a massive mark but was a little concerned that it may of been a shop return and lets face it, especially for us in the UK Woodpeckers don't come cheap... Really happy with the product apart from this and gives me the confidence that things are square, recommended for setting up the MFT guide/protractor.

Once again thanks for your help and assistance, I have attached a pic for reference



Offline Peter Belisle

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Re: Woodpeckers 1281 Square Hardness Mark Issue?
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2016, 08:22 PM »
A hardness test mark would be a very distinct square or diamond shaped indent. What you have i a surface imperfection, and for what Woodpeckers charges for these tools there shouldn't be anything like that.

Ive had good luck reaching out to them and getting really solid help.

Offline bobfog

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Re: Woodpeckers 1281 Square Hardness Mark Issue?
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2016, 08:27 PM »
Hi All

Just had a response from Woodpeckers which is more palatable than hardness testing, it is also the same answer as yours xxcv.

Thanks for your answers fellas and agreed if it was a hardness test then it surely would of been an indent like Cheese mentioned, It's not a massive mark but was a little concerned that it may of been a shop return and lets face it, especially for us in the UK Woodpeckers don't come cheap... Really happy with the product apart from this and gives me the confidence that things are square, recommended for setting up the MFT guide/protractor.

Once again thanks for your help and assistance, I have attached a pic for reference

Jesus wept.

It's a tiny blemish that in no way diminishes performance. They're tools, not ornaments, I'm sure within a few months any serious woodworker who uses their tools as tools instead of trophies will have 10 times that many cosmetic scuffs/scratches. Just use the tool!!

Offline bkharman

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Re: Woodpeckers 1281 Square Hardness Mark Issue?
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2016, 08:56 PM »

Hi All

Just had a response from Woodpeckers which is more palatable than hardness testing, it is also the same answer as yours xxcv.

Thanks for your answers fellas and agreed if it was a hardness test then it surely would of been an indent like Cheese mentioned, It's not a massive mark but was a little concerned that it may of been a shop return and lets face it, especially for us in the UK Woodpeckers don't come cheap... Really happy with the product apart from this and gives me the confidence that things are square, recommended for setting up the MFT guide/protractor.

Once again thanks for your help and assistance, I have attached a pic for reference

Jesus wept.

It's a tiny blemish that in no way diminishes performance. They're tools, not ornaments, I'm sure within a few months any serious woodworker who uses their tools as tools instead of trophies will have 10 times that many cosmetic scuffs/scratches. Just use the tool!!

Hey Bob...

Can you post some pics of your tools?  Perhaps a project or two that you have done?  Maybe that way we can compare to a true craftsman.

Waiting anxiously. Bryan.


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Online Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers 1281 Square Hardness Mark Issue?
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2016, 09:52 PM »
Ya, unfortunately witness lines are part of the anodization process. I don't like them any more than anyone else, but they are part of the nature of the beast. If you want the item to have an anodized surface, (and you do) you risk the appearance of witness lines generated from the support wires.

If the support wire sits snugly against the surface of the aluminum, it acts as a mask (think photography) and will prevent the anodization to take place in that specific area. Most anodizers will try to maintain sufficient spacing between the support wires and the aluminum surface to minimize the "shadow" marks. They can minimize the effect but have yet to eliminate the issue when it comes to being an economically solvable problem.

And I would have to add that Woodpecker's is a lot better than most in this area. They do pay attention to the details.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2016, 11:44 PM by Cheese »

Offline paradox1509

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Re: Woodpeckers 1281 Square Hardness Mark Issue?
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2016, 05:51 AM »
Hi All

Just had a response from Woodpeckers which is more palatable than hardness testing, it is also the same answer as yours xxcv.

Thanks for your answers fellas and agreed if it was a hardness test then it surely would of been an indent like Cheese mentioned, It's not a massive mark but was a little concerned that it may of been a shop return and lets face it, especially for us in the UK Woodpeckers don't come cheap... Really happy with the product apart from this and gives me the confidence that things are square, recommended for setting up the MFT guide/protractor.

Once again thanks for your help and assistance, I have attached a pic for reference

Jesus wept.

It's a tiny blemish that in no way diminishes performance. They're tools, not ornaments, I'm sure within a few months any serious woodworker who uses their tools as tools instead of trophies will have 10 times that many cosmetic scuffs/scratches. Just use the tool!!

Bob your missing the point entirely, I have bought something that had a mark regardless of the intended use, it's all about quality and I was questioning the tools origin more than anything not to look pretty. I paid top dollar for something so I want a top quality item whether or not  it gets marked in a few weeks or not.

Offline paradox1509

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Re: Woodpeckers 1281 Square Hardness Mark Issue?
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2016, 05:56 AM »

Hi All

Just had a response from Woodpeckers which is more palatable than hardness testing, it is also the same answer as yours xxcv.

Thanks for your answers fellas and agreed if it was a hardness test then it surely would of been an indent like Cheese mentioned, It's not a massive mark but was a little concerned that it may of been a shop return and lets face it, especially for us in the UK Woodpeckers don't come cheap... Really happy with the product apart from this and gives me the confidence that things are square, recommended for setting up the MFT guide/protractor.

Once again thanks for your help and assistance, I have attached a pic for reference

Jesus wept.

It's a tiny blemish that in no way diminishes performance. They're tools, not ornaments, I'm sure within a few months any serious woodworker who uses their tools as tools instead of trophies will have 10 times that many cosmetic scuffs/scratches. Just use the tool!!

Hey Bob...

Can you post some pics of your tools?  Perhaps a project or two that you have done?  Maybe that way we can compare to a true craftsman.

Waiting anxiously. Bryan.


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Perhaps you could do the same Bryan

Waiting anxiously. Paradox

Offline bkharman

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Re: Woodpeckers 1281 Square Hardness Mark Issue?
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2016, 10:37 AM »


Perhaps you could do the same Bryan

Waiting anxiously. Paradox

Perhaps before calling the kettle black, you should check my posts over the years.  I have posted many of projects in my years on this forum.  I was letting Bob know that if HE wants to call the kettle black, and call someone out on using their tools, then he might want to show us the same.  He has had a lot of very negative posts towards people in his few months here and not a single one of his almost 200 posts are of his projects.

I do agree with him that a tool is meant to be used, but his attitude is what put me off.  FWIW, I just finished a nice little cutlery insert which I will gladly post to the Members Projects forum later this weekend.... just as soon as I finish my taxes.

Cheers.  Bryan.
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Offline paradox1509

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Re: Woodpeckers 1281 Square Hardness Mark Issue?
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2016, 11:50 AM »


Perhaps you could do the same Bryan

Waiting anxiously. Paradox

Perhaps before calling the kettle black, you should check my posts over the years.  I have posted many of projects in my years on this forum.  I was letting Bob know that if HE wants to call the kettle black, and call someone out on using their tools, then he might want to show us the same.  He has had a lot of very negative posts towards people in his few months here and not a single one of his almost 200 posts are of his projects.

I do agree with him that a tool is meant to be used, but his attitude is what put me off.  FWIW, I just finished a nice little cutlery insert which I will gladly post to the Members Projects forum later this weekend.... just as soon as I finish my taxes.

Cheers.  Bryan.

Sincere apologies Bryan!

 I misinterpreted your statement completely and to be honest was a little perplexed by the responses as it is one of the "nicest" groups and definitely not a forum for over inflated egos.

 I totally agree that tools are there to be used and have already marked it with use today [big grin].  I was questioning why a brand-new piece of kit should have marks but as per my previous reply, once I had read the replies and consulted Woodpeckers I was more than satisfied with the reasoning behind the marks. Some people like Bob might think it was over the top but when I buy something that costs a packet I want it to be 100% regardless of its intended use.

Hey Im just getting started here with this woodwork lark, having been in the metal fabrication trade for 25+ years I can't just stick a bit weld in if I make a mistake. I am happy with what i am doing so far and strongly believe a tradesman is only as good as his tools allow him to be.. Isn't that why we buy Festool...

I will seek out your projects/posts and i am sure I will be Impressed and hopefully when I post a project then people will appreciate it

Working on a TV cabinet now and hope to be finished soon.. [wink]

Cheers Paradox