Michael Garrett
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« on: August 08, 2012, 06:52 PM » |
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Looking for recommendations on the proper size and type of screws for cabinet box and drawer box construction. Using 3/4" Ply and 1/2" ply.
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2012, 09:08 PM » |
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If your using a Kreg jig, 1 1/4" for the 3/4, 1" for the 1/2"
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Michael Garrett
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2012, 09:13 PM » |
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No Jigs being used.
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2012, 09:19 PM » |
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Explain how you plan on building the cabs. that would help us to answer.
Tom
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2012, 09:30 PM » |
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Explain how you plan on building the cabs. that would help us to answer.
Tom
...and the drawers too, please. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2012, 09:43 PM » |
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GRK Fasteners R4 9x2'' ubergrade for the boxes and the 8x3 1/8'' ubergrade for hanging the uppers. For me, the best darn screw I ever used.
Eric
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Michael Garrett
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2012, 09:46 PM » |
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Plain cabinet grade 3/4" ply for garage storage using the 32mm sys, 1/2" ply for the drawer boxes with 1/4" ply bottoms. Dominoes for alignment. Which type and size GRK fasteners should I use R4 or Cabinet or both. No pocket holes. Will be hanging uppers with french cleats.
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2012, 09:54 PM » |
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I use the R4 multi purpose 9x2" for 18mm ply (3/4"). And I use the cabinet 8 x 3 1/8" for hanging my uppers.
I domino the fronts backs and center of the boxes, then used four of the R4 9 x 2" drilled into the sides. Then I made a skin to cover the screw holes, and
attached the skins to the side of the boxes from the inside of the cabinet with the GRK cabinet 8 x 1 1/4".
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2012, 10:03 PM » |
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I have been using GRKs for about six months on all sorts of stuff and im really pleased with them. I also use ScrewProducts.com. Look for free shipping specials. Eric
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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2012, 10:12 PM » |
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I came across the GRK on youtube. Woodcraft carries them, but I found them at my local Home Depot a lot cheaper then woodcraft.
Plus the Home Depot has a bigger selection of sizes.
Eric
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2012, 10:28 PM » |
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Erock, when HD starts carrying something thats usually when i bail, but i really like these GRKs. I dont use them for joining FFs. They recommend a trim head screw for this operation and i just doubt the holding power with that set up? Eric
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2012, 11:28 PM » |
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I guess GRK's are the ones. I'll check my HD here. Thanks
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2012, 11:33 PM » |
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Ive also used buygrkfasteners.com before. They have an endless selection, Eric
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2012, 08:01 AM » |
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Ive also used buygrkfasteners.com before. They have an endless selection, Eric
+1!!! HD near me doesn't stock GRK screws, and the vendors that do stock them have a very limited selection. Don't bother with Fastenal; the price almost doubles over MSRP.  |
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2012, 08:22 AM » |
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Ive also used buygrkfasteners.com before. They have an endless selection, Eric
+1!!! HD near me doesn't stock GRK screws, and the vendors that do stock them have a very limited selection. Don't bother with Fastenal; the price almost doubles over MSRP. I'm not a big fan of Fastenal...their customer service at my local locations is terrible. I also purchase through buygrkfasteners.com. The HD's around me have grk screws but most are the #9 sizes in the R4's. Bob |
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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2012, 08:26 AM » |
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So which is better, #9 or #8?
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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2012, 08:48 AM » |
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I prefer #8's.
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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2012, 09:06 AM » |
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Ive also used buygrkfasteners.com before. They have an endless selection, Eric
+1!!! HD near me doesn't stock GRK screws, and the vendors that do stock them have a very limited selection. Don't bother with Fastenal; the price almost doubles over MSRP. Lee valley (at least in my area) carry a selected range of GRK's |
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2012, 11:31 AM » |
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So R4 8x2" for base and upper cabinet boxes and 8x 3 1/8" cabinet screws for mounting uppers to wall, correct?
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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2012, 12:01 PM » |
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Erock, when HD starts carrying something thats usually when i bail, but i really like these GRKs. I dont use them for joining FFs. They recommend a trim head screw for this operation and i just doubt the holding power with that set up? Eric
Unfortunately, there seems to be a lot of truth in that statement. However the GRK screws are still good to go.  |
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2012, 12:08 PM » |
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What's the best assortment of GRK's to have on hand for cabinet making?
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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2012, 12:26 PM » |
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Ron, I do a lot of Azek repair. Most of the McMansions in my area were built with trim that lasted less then 10 years. When I saw it at HD i got scared. They also have a sign above the display that says "Azek - starting at $3.77" Man, am I getting ripped off? Eric
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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2012, 12:52 PM » |
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What's the best assortment of GRK's to have on hand for cabinet making?
Don't get too worried about "best". Use common sense and you'll figure out what you'll need. In the beginning of this thread you asked about drawer and cabinet box construction. 1/2" to 1/2" drawer boxes could be put together with 1 1/4" screws and 3/4" ply cabinet boxes 2" screws, #6 or #8 size. For hanging cabinets 2 3/4" or the 3 1/8" #8. In general I like GRK screws but they do have one major drawback, they don't draw material together all that well. You'll need to clamp stubborn pieces tight before screwing. |
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2012, 12:53 PM » |
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Ron, I do a lot of Azek repair. Most of the McMansions in my area were built with trim that lasted less then 10 years. When I saw it at HD i got scared. They also have a sign above the display that says "Azek - starting at $3.77" Man, am I getting ripped off? Eric
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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2012, 12:56 PM » |
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Rocky...as a cabinet installer I carry grk #8 1", 1 1/4", 1 1/2", 1 3/4", 2" & 2 1/2. I use 2 1/2" truss head/cabinet screw for hanging my cabinets. I've never had a cabinet fall due to my screws...I've seen people overload a cabinet & the backer is still on the wall!
For box assembly when the sides are not visible or if they're getting covered I use dominos and 1 1/2" screws...screwing from the outside of the box!
Hope this helps!
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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2012, 12:58 PM » |
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Brice is correct about drawing plywoods together...I have coarse threaded black square drive screws that I purchase at woodcraft that I use when necessary. It's definitely a predrill situation though!
Bob
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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2012, 01:52 PM » |
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Brice. it was $3.77 a piece. I pay almost $100 on 1x12x18s up here, Eric
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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2012, 06:45 PM » |
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Brice. it was $3.77 a piece. I pay almost $100 on 1x12x18s up here, Eric
I glanced at the pricing on the Azek at the Depot once and it wasn't any cheaper if my memory is right. Although I'm pay a little less than you are. |
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« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2012, 06:58 PM » |
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Brice, unfortunately Im in one of the most expensive areas in the country. Im sure my lumberyard is giving me the best deal they can. They have been slow since 2008, actually so have I???Eric
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« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2012, 07:51 PM » |
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nancy bevacco < fastenpro@hotmail.com> Super nice folks and they'll ship any and all GRK's. GRK has fasteners for concrete work as well. I haven't used them but they are available. |
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