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Offline 10gallonhat

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Birch Ply Cabinetry Question
« on: December 31, 2017, 03:57 PM »
My house has the laundry hookups in the garage. Currently, there is no cabinetry or countertop for my wife to use in this area, and we are wanting to install some to make it more useful and livable. My plan is to build birch ply boxes with inset birch & formica/melamine doors/drawers. We will have base and wall cabinets, with a full-height pantry cabinet for bulk supplies.

I came across several interesting projects from a cabinetry design/build outfit in London, Uncommon Projects.

This project of theirs has me interested in how they might have built this wardrobe:
http://www.uncommonprojects.co.uk/#/redston-up/

My question is this...

Do you think the wardrobe in the link above was built with 6 separate boxes and then stacked, or 3 tall boxes? It's looking to me to be 6 separate boxes. Construction-wise, that it looking appealing to me for the pantry section of my project.

Thanks in advance!

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Offline Cheese

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Re: Birch Ply Cabinetry Question
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2017, 04:25 PM »
I think you’re right...6 separate boxes. Very nice design by the way, good choice.  [thumbs up]

And  [welcome]  to the FOG.  [big grin]

Offline bnaboatbuilder

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Re: Birch Ply Cabinetry Question
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2017, 04:31 PM »
Are you wanting the joinery to look the same as shown in the link? If so then I would say that no boxes were built and brought in. Instead the vertical panels and permanent horizontal shelves were all made, dry fit in a shop, brought flat packed and assembled on site. That should be obvious from all the joints we see in the baltic birch ply edges. The are doubling the ply for vertical panels. Not all the dados are cut out, some are created from pieces spread apart and glued in place to look the same as a dado. A fairly complex design used to create a simplistic look for that specific technique.

If you want just double BB ply edges visible with no interlocking joinery then it's easy, 6 boxes.
« Last Edit: December 31, 2017, 04:33 PM by bnaboatbuilder »
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Offline SRSemenza

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Re: Birch Ply Cabinetry Question
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2017, 06:32 PM »
Hi,

   Welcome to the forum!


Unless it was assembled on site, I think it is six boxes.  Could be either with the rabbeted  joints that are shown. If you want the joints to look the same do six. If that doesn't matter as much then you could do three. In either case I would build boxes in the shop and then stack them on a leveled base.  Choose six or three depending on the joint look,  assembly methods you want to use and ease of moving. It's just my preference to do the box assembly in the shop rather than onsite. I would probably do six.

Assembly and joint appearance will also depend on if you are using a Domino.

Seth

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Re: Birch Ply Cabinetry Question
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2017, 07:06 PM »
If you look at the joints in the images they are dado or half rabbet joints.  I agree that it was assembled on site or built as one big unit and installed afterwards.

But that would be easy to cut up into smaller more manageable pieces if the exposed joints on the front weren't a design element for you.

Peter

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Birch Ply Cabinetry Question
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2018, 09:35 AM »
I'm going to go with six individual boxes with an external wrap skin around the sides, top and bottom, all mounted on a separate base.  That would have to have been cut in the shop and assembled on-site.  My guess is that it was cut on a CNC mill. 
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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Birch Ply Cabinetry Question
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2018, 09:46 AM »
They're not individual pieces of case work. They're 4 plywood vertical panels, a top and bottom, with 6 horizontal pieces inseted into the verticals.

Fabricate 4 sides with grooves to accept the horizontals. Bore all the other necessary hardware holes while the unit is disassembled.

Fabricate the horizontal members.

Assemble in place.

Tom

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Re: Birch Ply Cabinetry Question
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2018, 12:05 PM »
Regardless of how it may have actually been done the same look could be achieved with six boxes. Those "outer box layers" (yeah bad description) are all double plywood. If you make six boxes with rabbet corner joints and stack them it will look like what the pictures show.  Or maybe I am not seeing what would prevent the six box method?

Seth

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Birch Ply Cabinetry Question
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2018, 12:21 PM »
If you create the sides and slide pieces in onsite your not carrying any boxes, just the pieces and assembling in the room. I believe this would be easier than trying to get the larger units in the room.

Tom

Offline Oldwood

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Re: Birch Ply Cabinetry Question
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2018, 02:23 PM »
Lots of ways to do this. The way I would do it is to build the 6 cabinets with my usual construction using the material the customer prefers. The doors and drawers would overlay .75" minus a clearance of 3/32" Make up the outside frame material for each box 3 or 4" wide with hand clearances where needed. Pre-finish all frame material and apply around face of each box protruding to face of doors. Install shim piece on back of boxes.

On site level in ladder kick stack side cabinets fasten from inside. Attach full height frame on left and right stacks then slide tight to wall and install center stack. Fasten all cabinets together and to wall. The drawer unit would require some accurate dado work before finishing. Depending on the location the complete unit could be delivered and assembled on site. The unit could be assembled in the shop But I avoid delivering cabinets that large. [tongue]

I like the design
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Offline 10gallonhat

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Re: Birch Ply Cabinetry Question
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2018, 06:18 PM »
Thank you all for your suggestions on this! Luckily the build and install site are the same room, so regardless of method, the install effort shouldn't be too much...

I'm still working on some designs for the bulk pantry and laundry areas on paper and in Fusion 360, as well as preparing to demo the garage space, so, I'll keep this thread up to date when it gets to cabinet building time.