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« on: May 13, 2012, 10:01 AM »

Hi everyone,

My wife and I are embarking on a kitchen remodel. We have priced kitchen cabinets and the quotes came in much higher than budget allows for the quality we want. I had toyed with the idea of building them myself but decided I couldn't because all I have is a two car garage shop and no place to store the cabinets during construction. Then I hit upon an idea that I wanted to ask all of you your opinions on. I am thinking of renting a POD or other mobile container and parking it in my driveway during construction. This could store the cabinets during the various phases of construction and also store materials in it as needed. It gets pretty hot in the summer here and I'm wondering whether you think that the heat or humidity would affect the wood to any degree? I'm not sure it would be much worse than if they were stored in my garage during construction. Can you see any pros or cons to my plan? The bottom line is I can build the kitchen we want within budget and not sacrifice quality.

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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2012, 10:11 AM »

I think you'll be OK.I would make sure that you have some kind of vent or let the door open during the day while you working on your project.
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2012, 10:13 AM »

The bottom line is I can build the kitchen we want within budget and not sacrifice quality.

WOW! You must be very good at it or you are getting your material at a very low cost! Wink
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2012, 10:18 AM »

It's not that as much as it is the cabinet companies are very proud of their stuff. Even with particle board boxes!
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2012, 10:21 AM »

It will be much more satisfying for sure. The challenge of working in unkind spaces is part of what attracts me to contractor work. Everything always works out, just use extra good practices.
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2012, 11:07 AM »

I guess to some degree it depends on the materials and design. 
I built my first kitchen (30 years back) primarily with decent hand tools and basic Bosch tools, in the dining room, mind you just married and no kids...
There are still family jokes about doing the washing up in the bath for 6 months.

I made the first in what I can best describe as a space frame structure.  But essentially got the structure up and then made and hung the doors and shelves. 
If you don't factor in your time, there is no doubt in my mind you can match costs and control quality.

my second was based around a modular system - I bought the first couple of shells, and then just replicated them.
My third I paid a local professional company to make, over £25k and despite the requested - no chipboard just solid wood, still got considerable quantities of veneered chipboard and MDF - some of which wasn't even oak veneer...

I am sure building and installing a modular system, before embarking on the doors is the way to go.  Personally the best thing about the 3rd kitchen was the granite worktops which still looked good 10 years later. 

I too am planning to build my next kitchen, when the extension is complete, in a similar sized garage.  I think finding a second dry storage location is the only thing needed...
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2012, 01:46 PM »

I am thinking of renting a POD or other mobile container and parking it in my driveway during construction. This could store the cabinets during the various phases of construction and also store materials in it as needed. It gets pretty hot in the summer here and I'm wondering whether you think that the heat or humidity would affect the wood to any degree?

I think there are more pros than cons.
If you are building cabinets out of solid wood, (why?) and you store boxes in the POD for any length of time, then you will probably see some shrinkage over time as the POD will act like a mini kiln. The one time I visited Oklahoma it was quite warm. If you are building with a combination of sheet goods with solid wood face frames, end panels, door and drawer fronts I would definitely store the boxes in the POD and keep the finished solid panels etc. in the house. Finished (painted, or lacquered boxes) will be fine, you should get a nice baked on finish Big Grin.

PODS charges can add up so if you can defer to the last possible moment you can save some money.
I wouldn't store any flammable materials or any kind of chemicals in there, particularly with the heat you guys get. If you have a shady spot on your driveway, I would definitely try get the POD parked there. They can get real hot and spending anytime in them can get real uncomfortable although a fan usually circulates enough air to make it workable.
Good luck.
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2012, 07:45 PM »

Heres my 2 cents.
I have built a couple kitchens. The first took a very long time. We did not properly plan and spent a pot of time figuring out cut list. I have since started using sketchup. It makes a world of differance. On the second one i also decided  to buy the doors. It save a lot of time. Check out northern contours.
I always prefer a separate toe kick and do a lot of framesless cabinets. Not my favorite look but faster easier and cheaper.
There are a few companies that sell the framless boxes. That would solve your storage issue. I think one of them is quick-cabs.
Good luck.
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2012, 09:51 PM »

 ;DWhat? You PARK YOUR CARS in the GARAGE??? Solution solved....park em outside, they have layers of protective paint one em don't they? Huh?!
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2012, 10:07 PM »

;DWhat? You PARK YOUR CARS in the GARAGE??? Solution solved....park em outside, they have layers of protective paint one em don't they? Huh?!


Lol!  My garage is basically overflowing with tools and machines. I have to park some of them outside when I set up shop. Cars do live outside much to the chagrin of my wife  Laughing
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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2012, 10:14 PM »

I am thinking of renting a POD or other mobile container and parking it in my driveway during construction. This could store the cabinets during the various phases of construction and also store materials in it as needed. It gets pretty hot in the summer here and I'm wondering whether you think that the heat or humidity would affect the wood to any degree?

I think there are more pros than cons.
If you are building cabinets out of solid wood, (why?) and you store boxes in the POD for any length of time, then you will probably see some shrinkage over time as the POD will act like a mini kiln. The one time I visited Oklahoma it was quite warm. If you are building with a combination of sheet goods with solid wood face frames, end panels, door and drawer fronts I would definitely store the boxes in the POD and keep the finished solid panels etc. in the house. Finished (painted, or lacquered boxes) will be fine, you should get a nice baked on finish Big Grin.

PODS charges can add up so if you can defer to the last possible moment you can save some money.
I wouldn't store any flammable materials or any kind of chemicals in there, particularly with the heat you guys get. If you have a shady spot on your driveway, I would definitely try get the POD parked there. They can get real hot and spending anytime in them can get real uncomfortable although a fan usually circulates enough air to make it workable.
Good luck.
Tim


I agree there are more pros. I will try to store doors and drawers inside and maybe the boxes in a Conex box. I got a quote for $115 a month for a 8x20 box and hopefully I won't need it for long.  I think it boils down to that I know what I want and I know I can build it and not settle for less. Thanks!
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2012, 11:50 AM »

This is all about planning. Do as much as you can at your desk: list the panels, hardwood parts, and hardware you need. Specify the "machining"--holes, dados, notches, etc. required for each part. I use a spreadsheet for this, organized by "boxes." When you review and "QA" your list, you might be surprised at the number of parts, the amont of machining, the quantity of hardware, and the overall logistical challenge of pulling everything together smoothly and efficiently. Consider pre-building doors and drawers, but assembling the cabs on site. After the existing kitchen is demo-ed, you'll have some room to work, and if everthing is ready to go together (pre-finish the interiors!), this is pretty quick.
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2012, 07:44 PM »

Consider these two thoughts:


  1.  If possible, build a section, demo the old then install new. Move on to next section.

  2.  Build on to the garage first. Happy wife, happy life!!!


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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2012, 09:44 PM »

Have you begun this project yet?  I am about to start a similar project for myself and family.  From the research I've done, I'm planning on buying the boxes from Cabinets Quick and then making my own doors...

I hope it's going well for you!
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2012, 10:01 PM »

Have you begun this project yet?  I am about to start a similar project for myself and family.  From the research I've done, I'm planning on buying the boxes from Cabinets Quick and then making my own doors...

I hope it's going well for you!
I would go the other way,build my boxes and outsource my doors and drawers
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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2012, 10:53 PM »

I would go the other way,build my boxes and outsource my doors and drawers

That would be the efficient thing to do - but I'm on a roll of being inefficient!  Actually, I've built a few kitchens and I really like building the doors because that's the part that I get to see everyday.  But it definitely isn't the quickest route...
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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2012, 07:44 PM »

I built my own kitchen cabinets with white oak and used quater sawn wood for the frames and doors.  The cabinet interiors are straight grain oak also.  I started the kitchen from a scaled drawing and built it one cabinet at a time.  I have a pull out pantry with heavy duty ball bearing slides that if my memory is right were Hafele 250# or so.  The pantry is 6' tall and 2' wide on a tee frame with wire baskets on both sides.  I built a solid frame and panel door for the pantry to match the cabinets.  I made the doors with a light duty shaper with carbide cutters.  The door panels are 7/8" thick raised panel both sides.

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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2012, 07:16 AM »

Hey Guys, just wanted to give you all a quick update:  I have started on this project and am well underway now.  I have been constructing the cabinet boxes and face frames to start with, doors and drawers come later.  I started a blog about my kitchen remodel that you can visit by clicking on my name then clicking "My Kitchen Remodel Blog" which will take you to the site.  Or just click the little earth under my name to get there!  Thanks for looking and leave me some comments!  Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2012, 07:32 AM »

Jeff,

Great start!  Sorry that Mother Nature has turned on the broiler over Oklahoma lately  Scared.  Gotta love that prefinished ply.  By the way, I couldn't get the materials here for what you did.  Good score in my mind! Thumbs Up

Keep going.......

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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2012, 09:54 AM »

Jeff:
Looks good.
It would be nice to see your plans, drawings so we can follow along with your progress.
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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2012, 10:29 AM »

Hey Guys, just wanted to give you all a quick update:  I have started on this project and am well underway now.  I have been constructing the cabinet boxes and face frames to start with, doors and drawers come later.  I started a blog about my kitchen remodel that you can visit by clicking on my name then clicking "My Kitchen Remodel Blog" which will take you to the site.  Or just click the little earth under my name to get there!  Thanks for looking and leave me some comments!  Smiley

You're started, so you're half done!

One of your other responders suggested doing the kitchen in sections, and I agree--I did our kitchen about 10 years ago, and the sequence I used was to do one upper cabinet at a time, then the lower sections, leaving the cabinet with the kitchen sink till last, which I completed over a long weekend.

I worked out of a double garage with fewer machines than you have--no jointer, no planer, no biscuit joiner, no Festools--basically just a table saw, router, circular saw and drill, along with a good workbench and a selection of fine hand tools.

I have no doubt your project will be a great success.

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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2012, 02:01 PM »

@ Peter:  Thanks for the kind words.  I'm used to the heat but it doesn't get any easier, thank God for fans!

@ Tim:  I've got some very rough sketches of the elevation of each wall, I'll try to post those on the blog.  I'm going to take some pictures of the kitchen so you all can see how outdated and in need of help our kitchen is!  I'm duplicating about 50% of what's already there.  I am taking down one wall and extending cabinets along another wall so we should in the end wind up with more cabinet space and a little more countertop space.

I've thought about installing them as I go along, but with taking down a wall and raising the current ceiling height, I'm going to try to save all the demo for one phase that will hopefully take just a couple weeks to demo and redo.
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« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2012, 04:41 AM »

I do this a fair bit. Smiley If it's not something you do often, it sometimes helps to actually see/visualize a similar project with regard to the various phases.

While the cabinets in this particular project were done offsite, and first for obvious reasons (client remaining onsite), the photos of the two phases, including a wall removal and offsite storage, are presented in reverse order below:

https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopKitchenDemolitionWallRemoval2011

https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopEuropeanStyleKitchen201102

I'll be glad to answer any questions.
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« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2012, 08:17 AM »

Karl,

This is my first kitchen and it does indeed help to see other people's work.  I checked out your google plus and like the work you do, very nice!  I'm getting ready to build the uppers and I thought of one question.  I was thinking about building the face frames with a 2 1/4" lower rail to be a built in light rail.  Would you do this, or build it with say a 1 1/2" lower face frame rail and then add a light rail molding later?  Thanks for posting!
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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2012, 10:50 AM »

Jeff, it is, of course, mainly a matter of taste, and a certainty that the agreed upon/desired design will end up with what you/the client was expecting. Personally, I much prefer to use a wider bottom rail when designing a custom cabinet for under cabinet lighting, and I routinely build it accordingly.

Not only is it much more efficient to cut that bottom rail to the design parameters, and incorporate it into the box from the get go, the necessity of adding anything to the bottom of an installed cabinet run to contain lighting both increases cost, and does not necessarily bespeak a well thought out, "custom" job.

YMMV ... that's just my personal feelings.
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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2012, 01:22 PM »

Good point Karl.  My client is my wife in this case, so I better get it right!  I think I'll use the wider bottom rail on the cabinets and that way I'll be covered for lighting.  I'm using LED lights and they have a pretty low profile so I won't need that deep a recess for them.  Thanks for your thoughts!
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« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2012, 02:27 PM »

I'm sure you already have, but worth a mention in any event ... pays to take into consideration your door hinges/overlay when you dimension your rail (and stile) widths. I like to order door hinges and drawer slides, or make absolutely sure I can get them without delay, before I cut a stick of wood for a cabinet.

And good luck with the project, sounds like you have a handle on it. Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2012, 12:37 AM »

Hi everyone,

My wife and I are embarking on a kitchen remodel. We have priced kitchen cabinets and the quotes came in much higher than budget allows for the quality we want. I had toyed with the idea of building them myself but decided I couldn't because all I have is a two car garage shop and no place to store the cabinets during construction. Then I hit upon an idea that I wanted to ask all of you your opinions on. I am thinking of renting a POD or other mobile container and parking it in my driveway during construction. This could store the cabinets during the various phases of construction and also store materials in it as needed. It gets pretty hot in the summer here and I'm wondering whether you think that the heat or humidity would affect the wood to any degree? I'm not sure it would be much worse than if they were stored in my garage during construction. Can you see any pros or cons to my plan? The bottom line is I can build the kitchen we want within budget and not sacrifice quality.

Thanks!

Jeff

Jeff,

I just read the whole thread. Big thumbs up on building them yourself. Seems you have worked through the need for storage. If you use the Domino and 32mm system you can dry fit them, know they work and then break them down till you need to assemble them.

Keep up the good work. 

I too will do the same as you, as I know I can build them cheaper then buying them as the Kitchen has some odd sized things to deal with..

Keep us informed and post images when you can.

Cheers,
Steve
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« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2012, 09:59 PM »

Thanks for the good word Steve. I posted a few new pics on my website/blog so check them out when you get a chance. This is a challenging project but so far so good.  Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2012, 10:14 PM »

Thanks for the good word Steve. I posted a few new pics on my website/blog so check them out when you get a chance. This is a challenging project but so far so good.  Smiley

Can you send a link to your website Blog.... or did I miss that... just looked twice but the phone is ringing..

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