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Offline mrFinpgh

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Code challenge
« on: March 18, 2017, 10:44 PM »
I had a plumber out this afternoon to look at my kitchen/powder room renovation plans and he brought something up that no other plumbers I've spoken with had mentioned:

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AC-310.6.2 Location Near Food Handling or Storage Areas. The doors of toilet rooms in any
establishment regulated by Article III of the Rules and Regulations of the Allegheny County
Health Department shall not open directly into any kitchen or dining rooms, or any room in which
food, drink, or utensils are handled or stored. When such toilet rooms are located adjacent to the
kitchen or dining areas, an intervening vestibule of at least three feet square shall be provided.

I'm planning on moving my existing kitchen into the current dining room, and then putting a small powder room where the existing kitchen is.  Sort of like this sketchup drawing below:

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Right now, there's no door between the kitchen and dining room.  If I had to, I could put one in (or a double door, perhaps, to keep the swing to a minimum).

But more the point, what constitutes adjacent?   What constitutes a vestibule?  Must I have two separate doors before a door into a powder room?  What if the door is 5 feet away from the door into the dining room?
 
Does that also mean I cannot have any cabinets on the opposite wall of the (ex) kitchen to store things?

I realize this might not be a code that applies to most people on here (maybe @Brice Burrell ?), but I'm curious how you all would approach it.

It's not the end of the world if a powder room isn't in the cards, but it sure would be nice to have one.

Thanks,
Adam
     

 

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Offline rizzoa13

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Re: Code challenge
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2017, 10:51 PM »
I've seen many setups like that but it's all up to the building inspector on whether he'll allow it. I'd just call them and ask or better yet go down there in person.

The other option is contract an architect to write off on it. Architects and engineers can supersede or interpret the codes in out of the box ways and sign off on it.

Offline antss

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Re: Code challenge
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2017, 12:30 AM »
I think that's applicable only to restaurants ect...

I can't see this pertaining to you unless you're running a bed and breakfast.

Is the Health Department routinely consulted on home building matters during the permitting process up there ?  Meaning is your residence considered an "establishment" and is it subject to "regulation by the Allegheny County Health Department" ?

Me thinks not.

I do think your plumber may be daft, though.

Offline Alex

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Re: Code challenge
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2017, 03:45 AM »

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AC-310.6.2 Location Near Food Handling or Storage Areas. The doors of toilet rooms in any
establishment regulated by Article III of the Rules and Regulations of the Allegheny County
Health Department shall not open directly into any kitchen or dining rooms, or any room in which
food, drink, or utensils are handled or stored. When such toilet rooms are located adjacent to the
kitchen or dining areas, an intervening vestibule of at least three feet square shall be provided.


The quote above says it applies to "any establishment regulated by Article III of the Rules and Regulations of the Allegheny County Health Department"

The PDF of this article at http://www.achd.net/food/pubs/pdf/art03.pdf says it applies to:

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This Article provides for the regulation of food operations in restaurants and eating establishments, hospitals, nursing
homes, personal care homes, schools, retail stores, food processors, caterers, warehouses, temporary and seasonal
food stands, mobile food units, and other similar food facilities which provide food to the public. Farms which provide
unprocessed food to the public are exempt from this Article

So it seems to me it does not apply to a private residence.

Offline Harry1561

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Re: Code challenge
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2017, 05:56 AM »
I had a similar experience when building a livable garage. The solution was to put an exhaust fan in the bathroom.

Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: Code challenge
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2017, 09:42 AM »

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AC-310.6.2 Location Near Food Handling or Storage Areas. The doors of toilet rooms in any
establishment regulated by Article III of the Rules and Regulations of the Allegheny County
Health Department shall not open directly into any kitchen or dining rooms, or any room in which
food, drink, or utensils are handled or stored. When such toilet rooms are located adjacent to the
kitchen or dining areas, an intervening vestibule of at least three feet square shall be provided.


The quote above says it applies to "any establishment regulated by Article III of the Rules and Regulations of the Allegheny County Health Department"

The PDF of this article at http://www.achd.net/food/pubs/pdf/art03.pdf says it applies to:

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This Article provides for the regulation of food operations in restaurants and eating establishments, hospitals, nursing
homes, personal care homes, schools, retail stores, food processors, caterers, warehouses, temporary and seasonal
food stands, mobile food units, and other similar food facilities which provide food to the public. Farms which provide
unprocessed food to the public are exempt from this Article

So it seems to me it does not apply to a private residence.

I believe Alex has this sorted out for you.  This plumber might be more experienced in commercial construction than residential and is getting the codes intermixed. 
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