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Offline tjbnwi

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How not to tile a shower...
« on: October 23, 2017, 09:34 PM »
To start with, avoid wood in the shower...

The shower has about 12 uses on it since it was remodeled. They quit using it 3 months ago, there was still 16" of water in the wall.

Tom

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Offline duburban

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2017, 09:54 PM »
With all the information on the internet people still do this... buying the materials and placing them directly in the dumpster would be more environmentally friendly
helper: i used a festool "circular saw" to do something simple and it made it really hard

me: exactly, it makes simple cuts complicated and complicated cuts simple

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2017, 10:02 PM »
With all the information on the internet people still do this... buying the materials and placing them directly in the dumpster would be more environmentally friendly

It;'s my SIL's shower---she paid to have this done [doh]

Tom

Offline duburban

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2017, 10:19 PM »
do you have any pics before the demo?
helper: i used a festool "circular saw" to do something simple and it made it really hard

me: exactly, it makes simple cuts complicated and complicated cuts simple

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2017, 10:28 PM »
do you have any pics before the demo?

None of the entire shower.

Tom

Offline Paul G

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2017, 12:28 AM »
Not sure what I'm looking at in the picts. Did they lay tile directly on plywood or mdf?
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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2017, 12:31 AM »
Not sure what I'm looking at in the picts. Did they lay tile directly on plywood or mdf?

That's a plywood wall. They also used OSB in some areas.

They also set some tiles directly on framing members.

Tom

Offline MLW

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2017, 01:04 AM »
Not sure what I'm looking at in the picts. Did they lay tile directly on plywood or mdf?

That's a plywood wall. They also used OSB in some areas.

They also set some tiles directly on framing members.

Tom
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Offline Cheese

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2017, 03:13 AM »
They also set some tiles directly on framing members.

Some sirens are going off on this one...

Offline Cheese

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2017, 03:19 AM »
‘‘Tis a shame because the install appears to be a nice one. Unfortunately this is how many start and how many end. Tragic that you spend your $$ and receive this as a result.

Offline Naildrivingman

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2017, 06:30 AM »
I certainly hope this work wasn't performed by a tile contractor.
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Offline Paul G

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2017, 07:37 AM »
Not sure what I'm looking at in the picts. Did they lay tile directly on plywood or mdf?

That's a plywood wall. They also used OSB in some areas.

They also set some tiles directly on framing members.

Tom

Is that bad??

 [poke]
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Offline Paul G

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2017, 07:42 AM »
‘‘Tis a shame because the install appears to be a nice one. Unfortunately this is how many start and how many end. Tragic that you spend your $$ and receive this as a result.

Reminds me why I DIY and over-engineer just about everything.
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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2017, 08:20 AM »
Not sure what I'm looking at in the picts. Did they lay tile directly on plywood or mdf?

That's a plywood wall. They also used OSB in some areas.

They also set some tiles directly on framing members.

Tom
Why didn't your sister consult with you first?


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My price was to high. She saved herself about 8K from the stories we heard.

Tom

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2017, 08:23 AM »
‘‘Tis a shame because the install appears to be a nice one. Unfortunately this is how many start and how many end. Tragic that you spend your $$ and receive this as a result.

Easy to save 8K when the most important steps are left out.

The 8K savings was not the results of the waterproofing being omitted. The vanity and other casework are nowhere near what she had requested and I had in my original proposal.

I have no sympathy in these situations.

Tom

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2017, 08:24 AM »
Not sure what I'm looking at in the picts. Did they lay tile directly on plywood or mdf?

That's a plywood wall. They also used OSB in some areas.

They also set some tiles directly on framing members.

Tom

Is that bad??

 [poke]

Yes.

Tom

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2017, 08:26 AM »
I certainly hope this work wasn't performed by a tile contractor.

Your hopes would be dashed...

Tom

Offline greg mann

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2017, 08:27 AM »
Looks like you married the right sister. [scratch chin]
Greg Mann
Oakland, Michigan

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2017, 08:31 AM »
Looks like you married the right sister. [scratch chin]

In more ways than this...

Tom

Offline deepcreek

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2017, 08:49 AM »
I once saw a tile guy use mastic for setting the tile on the shower walls.  (Not my project.)

When mastic gets wet the water will re-emulsify the adhesive base and the tiles may fall off.  Not good.
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Offline Paul G

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2017, 08:58 AM »

My price was to high. She saved herself about 8K from the stories we heard.

Tom

Let's reassess that savings after the do-over
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Offline Cheese

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2017, 11:57 AM »
... buying the materials and placing them directly in the dumpster would be more environmentally friendly

Funny... [thumbs up]

Offline Steven Owen

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2017, 01:46 PM »
People make mistakes like this all the time.  I can walk around my neighbor and see decks using  OSB instead of treated plywood, unsecured deck beams sitting on on top of pavers and rails only held in with 2 inch screws. 

When see what’s going on outside the home, you can only image how bad things are inside the house.
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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2017, 09:31 PM »

My price was to high. She saved herself about 8K from the stories we heard.

Tom

Let's reassess that savings after the do-over

The redo is 10K.

Tom

Offline Cheese

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2017, 10:44 PM »
The redo is 10K.

I’m surprised it isn’t more because of the price of the demo and all those materials have to be purchased a 2nd time, and then there’s the mold thing.

Offline antss

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2017, 10:47 PM »
‘‘Tis a shame because the install appears to be a nice one. Unfortunately this is how many start and how many end. Tragic that you spend your $$ and receive this as a result.

Take a closer look, I can see that the field tile grout lines (horiz.) are not aligned in pics 1& 2. 

In pic 3 the squares are not in the same plane as the rectangles above and below.  That strip of squares also undulates something terrible, I don't even need a straight edge to tell.    Hard to be certain from the pix, but I'll bet the corners are grouted also.

Though I must say the niches don't look half bad from here.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2017, 11:36 PM »
‘‘Tis a shame because the install appears to be a nice one. Unfortunately this is how many start and how many end. Tragic that you spend your $$ and receive this as a result.

Take a closer look, I can see that the field tile grout lines (horiz.) are not aligned in pics 1& 2. 

In pic 3 the squares are not in the same plane as the rectangles above and below.  That strip of squares also undulates something terrible, I don't even need a straight edge to tell.    Hard to be certain from the pix, but I'll bet the corners are grouted also.

Though I must say the niches don't look half bad from here.

She wants the squares out of plane with the rectangular tiles. I asked her about correcting that (I honestly don't think the guy knew how to correct the plane issue).

Tom

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Offline Naildrivingman

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2017, 06:09 AM »
It indeed is a sad state when consumers are blinded by cost or slippery talk or both.  I have gone up against this type of "competition" too many times to count. Hopefully there can be some legal recourse to soften the blow.  Unfortunately (at least in MN) there isn't enough statutory protection.  Hopefully this will resolve itself quickly.
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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2017, 08:30 AM »
It indeed is a sad state when consumers are blinded by cost or slippery talk or both.  I have gone up against this type of "competition" too many times to count. Hopefully there can be some legal recourse to soften the blow.  Unfortunately (at least in MN) there isn't enough statutory protection.  Hopefully this will resolve itself quickly.

I hope she has no recourse, the law should not protect you from your own stupidity.

The shower will be resolved mid next week.

Tom

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: How not to tile a shower...
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2017, 09:34 AM »
I hope she has no recourse, the law should not protect you from your own stupidity.

Hear, hear!!!   [thumbs up]
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