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Offline live4ever

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Planning garage cabinets - materials?
« on: November 06, 2012, 05:26 PM »
I'm planning some garage cabinets to replace some old shoddy-built ones that don't use space effectively.  There will be 3 banks of approx. 8 ft. runs of cabs., 7ft. tall.  I'll be building them with the 32mm system for maximum modularity and flexibility.  That means I'll have more vertical members than I'd have with face-frame construction but I just prefer the open feel of frameless for utility storage.  

Now, for joinery and material.  I'd like to use either pocket-screws and glue or dominos and glue, but want to keep the cost of sheet goods down (let's just say that this is a project that benefits mostly my shop and wouldn't be high on my wife's priority list!).  C-2 paint-grade maple or birch runs just under $50 a sheet.  Prefin C-2 birch is about $50/sheet.  Alternatively, ultralite MDF is $30/sheet, a considerable cost-savings, but would probably require some effort when it comes to sealing/prepping the edges for paint.  With the prefin birch, I can just edge-band (if I want) and leave it as-is...c-2 isn't the prettiest, but fine for the inside of cabs.  I'm thinking prefin is going to save me a lot of a time and effort.  The MDF is cheapest.  

Thoughts?

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Offline wooden

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Re: Planning garage cabinets - materials?
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2012, 05:31 PM »
Melamine.  Edge band with some Fastcap adhesive banding.

Inexpensive but very durable.


Offline live4ever

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Re: Planning garage cabinets - materials?
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2012, 05:34 PM »
Right, that's another good option...minus the heft.  I have a love-hate relationship with the stuff because I'm using a bunch of it right now for some concrete forms.

Would dominos + glue suffice for melamine, or would I have to use confirmats or something?
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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: Planning garage cabinets - materials?
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2012, 05:36 PM »
Have to confess an affinity for pre-finished in any form, huge time-saver and minimal real cost differential when you factor in the cost of paint/finish.

Also the drops from the plywood sheets make better shelves than MDF.

Just my  [2cents]

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Offline Peter Halle

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Re: Planning garage cabinets - materials?
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2012, 06:30 PM »
If you want to paint - try MDO and edge band.  I would do prefinished and do a separate toe kick made of MDO and faced with PVC.  I don't trust concrete floors.

Peter

Offline live4ever

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Re: Planning garage cabinets - materials?
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2012, 06:53 PM »
If you want to paint - try MDO and edge band.  I would do prefinished and do a separate toe kick made of MDO and faced with PVC.  I don't trust concrete floors.

Peter

I don't think I can get MDO easily locally.  I was planning on setting the cabs on a 2x4 base/toekick to deal with the concrete.  That should be ok, right?

I think I'm leaning towards the prefin ply, but I need to do up a cutlist and see what I'm really talking about cost-wise.
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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Planning garage cabinets - materials?
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2012, 07:10 PM »
MDO-pre primed, water proof fir core.

Combo core-plywood core-mdf smooth top surface.

PanOlam-avalible in various laminate faces.

Ultra light- seal the edges with TB III cut 50% with water, Seal Coat works also

My first choice is PanOlam. Set on a 2x4 ladder base.

If you have a Domino, use it for panel alignment, Kreg screw to limit the need for clamps.

Chose your hinges carefully, you may need both full crank and half crank hinges.

Tom

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Re: Planning garage cabinets - materials?
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2012, 07:22 PM »
If you want to paint - try MDO and edge band.  I would do prefinished and do a separate toe kick made of MDO and faced with PVC.  I don't trust concrete floors.

Peter

I don't think I can get MDO easily locally.  I was planning on setting the cabs on a 2x4 base/toekick to deal with the concrete.  That should be ok, right?

I think I'm leaning towards the prefin ply, but I need to do up a cutlist and see what I'm really talking about cost-wise.

Are termites an issue in your area?  If so, go full PVC toe kicks if the cabinets are also going to be screwed to walls.

Peter

Offline duburban

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Re: Planning garage cabinets - materials?
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2012, 07:31 PM »
i was just dreaming up my future work space and thought of rolling cabinets so that you could roll virtually everything in the workspace around.

just a thought.
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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Planning garage cabinets - materials?
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2012, 08:00 PM »

Would dominos + glue suffice for melamine, or would I have to use confirmats or something?

Dominos and glue (Titebond melamine glue) will work. I would add some screws (particle board) if you use Panolam (melamine) with particle board substrate.
Some of the Panolam colors textures come in 4 different substrates: particleboard, MDF, moisture-resistant or fire-retardant panels.
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Offline live4ever

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Re: Planning garage cabinets - materials?
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2012, 08:26 PM »
Guys, excuse my ignorance - is Panolam just a specific brand of melamine?
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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Planning garage cabinets - materials?
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2012, 09:11 PM »
A very high quality panel product;

http://www.panolam.com/

Tom

Offline live4ever

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Re: Planning garage cabinets - materials?
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2012, 09:15 PM »
A very high quality panel product;

http://www.panolam.com/

Tom

I see, but they don't seem to have many distributors close to me.  Also, if it's high-quality, that means more $$ than prefin ply I'm guessing?
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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Planning garage cabinets - materials?
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2012, 09:51 PM »
Any Pionite dealer should be able to get it for you.

4x8x3/4 I purchase for less than pre finished ply, I get it from a large distributor, $35-$45 per sheet.

Tom

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Re: Planning garage cabinets - materials?
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2012, 12:03 AM »
For the assembly glue, dominos and pocket hole screws used together work really well for basic cabinets. Alternate the Dominos and pocket hole screws along the joints. The Dominos align everything, the glue and screws hold it together , the screws also act as the clamps. The combination makes the assembly go easily and smoothly.



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