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Offline Richard/RMW

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Seeking advise on blind corner cabinet hardware
« on: December 31, 2014, 10:36 AM »
We are planning our cabinets for the utility area, and are considering a blind corner cabinet (base) using something like the Rev-A-Shelf hardware or similar. Looking for any advise or suggestions on best hardware or any other tips.

Planning to buy RTA frameless cabinet boxes from CabinetsQuick or similar manufacturer, no face frames.

Thanks in advance.

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Offline Oldwood

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Re: Seeking advise on blind corner cabinet hardware
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2014, 03:14 PM »
Hi,

We use the LeMans hardware from Hafele it works well.
http://www.hafele.com/us/products/LeMans-blind-base-corner-storage.asp

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Offline roblg3

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Re: Seeking advise on blind corner cabinet hardware
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2014, 05:40 PM »
Hafele makes a super nice(expensive $700) Blum has some nice offerings.  But these sound like they'll be more than your cabinet costs?
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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Seeking advise on blind corner cabinet hardware
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2014, 05:45 PM »
I have installed the Magic corner II.
Great unit, well designed.
For any of these units you must make sure your opening is large enough.
Tim

Offline WastedP

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Re: Seeking advise on blind corner cabinet hardware
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2014, 08:54 PM »
I usually present three options for a blind corner cabinet: a single adjustable shelf, swingout trays (the Hafele LeMans is one option, or just a plain D-shaped wood swingout), or a magic corner unit.

The magic corner and swingouts provide roughly the same area for storage, which is roughly half the storage space of the floor and adjustable shelf in a plain vanilla blind corner cabinet.  The three options vary widely in cost.  I worked up a spreadsheet for myself to compare the options on the basis of cost, storage area, and utility.

After presenting these options, I also explain (with the spreadsheet) that a 3x3 corner filler and a single cabinet (the same width as the blind corner cabinet's exposed area) offers roughly equal storage area to the swingouts or magic corner in a blind corner cabinet, at greatly reduced cost.

When you break it down to the numbers, most clients choose the corner filler and standard cabinet or bank of drawers.  The exceptions are people who just can't cope with the notion that they will give up three square feet of potential cabinet space and delude themselves to believe that they'll actually utilize the blind corner's dead space, costs be damned.  Or, alternately, gadgety types that just want a magic corner because it's like a cabinet Transformer.  It really is cool.

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: Seeking advise on blind corner cabinet hardware
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2014, 10:13 PM »
Thank for the input. After researching the options I was surprised how little storage they really provide. The lesser cost options had trays around 15" by 18".

I think we decided to put a couple +/- 22" slider trays in the blind corner for seldom used stuff, then store the boss' beach bag in the accessible 18" area. We'll just remove the bag when needed to get to the sliders.

Thanks all.

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Offline roblg3

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Re: Seeking advise on blind corner cabinet hardware
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2015, 05:32 AM »
While reading the last post my idea finally crystallized after months of debate....if you put undermount pullout sliders in the "door bay", one could put another slider tray in the "blind" raised just high enough to clear the undermount slides.  The blind tray slides from left to right to fill the empty space that the back to front tray just left.  I obviously haven't tried this yet.  Can anyone poke a hole in this plan?
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Offline rnt80

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Re: Seeking advise on blind corner cabinet hardware
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2015, 09:26 AM »
+1 on Korner King.
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Offline rizzoa13

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Re: Seeking advise on blind corner cabinet hardware
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2015, 10:11 AM »
Richard-

I don't know anything about rev-a-shelfs corner options but I've got 2 of their organizer pieces in my kitchen and the quality is pretty awesome. Especially for the price when ordered from amazon or wal marts website.


Offline WastedP

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Re: Seeking advise on blind corner cabinet hardware
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2015, 10:34 AM »
The Korner King units appear to be for angled or square corner cabinets, not blind corner cabinets that are ~24" in depth.

While reading the last post my idea finally crystallized after months of debate....if you put undermount pullout sliders in the "door bay", one could put another slider tray in the "blind" raised just high enough to clear the undermount slides.  The blind tray slides from left to right to fill the empty space that the back to front tray just left.  I obviously haven't tried this yet.  Can anyone poke a hole in this plan?

I don't see why the moving parts wouldn't work together, but the sideways trays are only accessible when the front-to-back trays are out.  Since the space to one side of the BC cabinet opening is obstructed by definition, it means the cab can only be accessed from one side, and then you have to bend down and reach in over the loaded tray to pull the inner tray out.  I envision it being kind of klunky to use.

Really, for a utility room, having a bag or bin that gets taken out of the way of the sideways rollouts sounds like a great idea that would work well and not cost very much.  I think RMW's solution will work great for the application.  Unfortunately, that setup isn't typical in most kitchens.  All of these blind corner "solutions" on the market are more about spending extra money to try to get more storage out of a tough design.  If it was really all about storage, my clients would keep their spices and cutlery in Sortainers, base cabinets would be sys-ports, every island would be an MFT, and those stand mixers would be brushless.  And green.


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Offline roblg3

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Re: Seeking advise on blind corner cabinet hardware
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2015, 12:29 PM »
Wouldn't you have to reach into the cabinet to slide the trays over after removing the bag?  It's the same thing except in the bag example, the bag would not still be "in the way".  I have to look more into the Hafele offering.  It seems that it slides out and then hinges?  THAT is a real solution!
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Re: Seeking advise on blind corner cabinet hardware
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2015, 01:07 PM »
I have started using the blum corner drawer setup. Works like a charm.
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Offline WastedP

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Re: Seeking advise on blind corner cabinet hardware
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2015, 01:15 PM »
Wouldn't you have to reach into the cabinet to slide the trays over after removing the bag?  It's the same thing except in the bag example, the bag would not still be "in the way".  I have to look more into the Hafele offering.  It seems that it slides out and then hinges?  THAT is a real solution!

If the front to back rollouts were full extension, that would put you a foot and a half away from the opening of the cabinet, which is a pretty considerable addition to the needed reach.

The magic corner is nifty, but pricey.  I've sold two in ten years.  The showroom I work out of now has one on display that everyone loves until they see what it will cost.

I found this video that shows the operation:

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: Seeking advise on blind corner cabinet hardware
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2015, 09:32 PM »
While reading the last post my idea finally crystallized after months of debate....if you put undermount pullout sliders in the "door bay", one could put another slider tray in the "blind" raised just high enough to clear the undermount slides.  The blind tray slides from left to right to fill the empty space that the back to front tray just left.  I obviously haven't tried this yet.  Can anyone poke a hole in this plan?

What you are describing will work, but as others have mentioned it could be awkward depending on what is on the door bay slider. As someone suggested we first thought of using a removable bin so the door bay was totally clear then went Duh and realized the beach bag was looking for a home and problem solved.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

RMW
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