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Offline Brian H

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What am I missing?
« on: June 19, 2014, 03:32 PM »
Hey Everyone,

I recently decided I wanted to learn how to do crown molding. I had no tools, outside of a basic home wrench/socket set and no experience. After a couple months of research online I have compiled all the tools I THINK I need to get started on my project. Here is what I got so far. Please let me know if you think I am missing something.

#1- Gary Katz's Mastering Finish Carpentry #'s 1-2-5-6 (Mastering the Miter Saw and Conquering Crown Molding

Kapex
UG Stand and Extensions
CT Mini
Forrest Chopmaster 90T Signature 10" Kapex Blade
DeWalt DC618K 16ga Cordless Nailer
Stabila LD 300 Laser Measure
Stabila 24" contractor level
General 5" Digital Protractor
Ladder
Caulk gun- White Lightning 3006 Acrylic Latex caulk
Estwing 16oz. Rip Hammer-Leather Handle
Small pry bar set
Irwin table clamps
Cedar Shims, 15ga Nails, DAP Latex spackle......

And I already have painting supplies.

Did I miss anything?
« Last Edit: June 19, 2014, 03:45 PM by Brian H »

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Offline Kev

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2014, 03:49 PM »
I'm not a crown guy, but for what it's worth I've been thinking about Stiletto hammers over what I currently have (which is Estwing) and the cool Stiletto pry bars. I love Titanium [wink] and I've read a lot of rave reviews.

Offline dsweetser

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2014, 03:56 PM »
coping saw, collins coping foot for jig saw, third hand to support crown, RAS 115 to sand copes,
Don

Offline ivanhoe

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2014, 04:00 PM »
Another vote for a fastcap third hand !

Offline Brian H

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2014, 04:01 PM »
Thanks Guys. I forgot about the 3rd hand.

Offline Brian H

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2014, 05:13 PM »
Just ordered the 3rd Hand from Amazon.
 [big grin]

Offline jobsworth

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2014, 05:14 PM »
Gary Katz has some excellent videos on Crown Moulding.

You can also look up Joe Fusco1960 on U tube, he has some good easy to understand videos on crown

Offline festooltim

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2014, 06:19 PM »
I use two 3rd hand poles and works great for crown and lots of other things. Wouldn't do crown without them.
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Offline Brian H

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2014, 11:08 PM »
Thanks Guys. Maybe I should have bought to 2 Pack of 3rd Hands....

Offline waho6o9

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2014, 11:32 PM »
Cut the tube holder off the caulking gun and bolt it

to any length of timber and make your own.

108453-0

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Offline Brian H

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2014, 01:03 PM »
...smart.

Offline Grasshopper

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2014, 10:41 AM »
Brian H,

Let's see some pictures of your crown project.
Aspiring DIY'er (hence the name "grasshopper" as I am looking to learn from all the masters on the FOG)- TS 55, OF 1400, MFT/3, VS600 Dovetail Jig, MFS700+ MFS2000 extension profiles, Kapex, Kapex UG set, T12 Li set(x2), CT22, Domino, Carvex, RO90, RO150, MFK700, CMS-VL, Qwas super pack & Cool Wife.

Offline Kev

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2014, 04:56 AM »
Just looking at this for the second time round ... if this was posted on SawMillCreek I'd probably have responded to the topic with "a few teeth" [big grin]

Offline RKA

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2014, 07:52 AM »
If you have any small corners, some glue to assemble the small sections together.  A pin nailer helps to keep everything together as the glue sets if you're using wood glue.  If you're willing to consider a pin nailer, you'll need a compressor, which makes a case for trading that cordless 16 ga. Nailer for a pneumatic nailer. 
-Raj

Offline jobsworth

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2014, 05:06 AM »
Just looking at this for the second time round ... if this was posted on SawMillCreek I'd probably have responded to the topic with "a few teeth" [big grin]

You go there Kev??????

Offline Kodi Crescent

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2014, 09:50 PM »
You need a helper.  I just did this for the first time after watching the Gary Katz videos.  When he copes the inside corners, he leaves this little sliver on the molding that is intended to fit into another little notch cut into the mating piece.  If you take the time to make this, and you don't have a helper, don't be surprised if the crown falls while trying to get it into place, and then you break that little piece off.  You then have to fill the part where that broke off.

Oh, and you need to build the coping jig that he talks about, and make it adjustable.  I made the "fixed" version for the crown that I have, and being left handed I had a really tough time coping that inside corner.  I think I had to do it upside down or backwards or some odd thing in order to get it.  And I had to practice it a ton.  And it helps if you have some jig to hold the pieces together as they'd mount on the wall to see.  I think there's something about that in one of the supplemental parts of the Katz crown video.  I could not hold the pieces and envision how they went together.  I had to do it on the wall.

Some other carpenters may just cut that off.  I know more experienced guys will chime in.

Offline Kodi Crescent

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2014, 07:42 AM »
Also add in there glue and a 23 gauge pin nailer, and possibly an assembly table (MFT may work).  In the videos, Katz shows reassembly of small intricate sections by glueing and pinning short sections together at a table.

I also remembered that he shows the Collins clamps and the clamp pliers.  I think you need both if you want to help keep outside miters closed and clamped while you glue  and pin them.

In my previous comment I mentioned the little sliver that he shows cutting.  He's doing his demonstrations on paint grade material.  I think the little sliver technique may be intended for stain grade material.  Another part of the video shows another carpenter (Collins?) cutting that little sliver off.  Since I work with paint grade stuff, I'd cut that thing off, especially if working alone.

And I just got the CT wings to try with this the next time I do it.  While the 3rd hand poles with the Bench Dog crown holders were okay with holding the crown up, they left a bit to be desired.  Still, a helper is useful for getting a long section placed evenly.  And if you are working alone, be prepared to repair the wall when the crown piece inevitably falls during placement and puts a gash in the drywall.

Offline Kev

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Re: What am I missing?
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2014, 05:57 PM »
Just looking at this for the second time round ... if this was posted on SawMillCreek I'd probably have responded to the topic with "a few teeth" [big grin]

You go there Kev??????

I was curious ... showered afterwards.