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Offline Chuck Wilson

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Wooden Storms - 30+
« on: January 06, 2008, 08:40 PM »
I am thinking about purchasing the Domino for a summer time project - 30+ wooden storms for my old colonial.

Anyone reproduced wooden storms that would like to share some pictures?  If not, can anyone point me to video/pics of joining two pieces of wood as in a wooden storm?

Thanks,
Chuck
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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2008, 10:37 PM »
Hi,

    I am gradually working on storms for my parents billion year old house.    The ones I am doing are nothing special - big two light rectangular frames roughly three feet by five feet.  I am currently using butt joints with biscuits. Since I have at least ten to go perhap I will NEED( ::) ) a Domino,

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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2008, 06:34 PM »
Do you think that the biscuits and but joints will hold?

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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2008, 09:47 PM »
Do you think that the biscuits and but joints will hold?

Chuck

     I did the first one about two years ago. So far no problems. These windows don't get opened or closed very often. Or removed either. I don't see why they shouldn't hold up.  Time will tell.  I am sure Dominos (especially exterior ones)   would be better than biscuits and probably all the strength  ever needed.


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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2008, 10:52 PM »
I am interested in doing much the same for my 50+ yrs old house.  I expect use of my Domino will make for quick work on the frames.  What are others using for the glazing?  Anyone using plastic such as Lexan or acrylic?  I was thinking that 1/8 inch thick plastic might be a good choice to save weight and increase safety.  I am concerned about using glass due to the size and therefore weight of some of the units I will need, several of which are about 3ft X 6ft, and a couple are 4ft X 5 ft.

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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2008, 05:51 PM »
I am interested in doing much the same for my 50+ yrs old house.  I expect use of my Domino will make for quick work on the frames.  What are others using for the glazing?  Anyone using plastic such as Lexan or acrylic?  I was thinking that 1/8 inch thick plastic might be a good choice to save weight and increase safety.  I am concerned about using glass due to the size and therefore weight of some of the units I will need, several of which are about 3ft X 6ft, and a couple are 4ft X 5 ft.

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    I used real glass. So far so good. But I like your thoughts on using acrylic or something.  Especially for the ones that go on the second story. It would be a lot less weight to work with up there. Lesss weight for the frame to have to deal  with holding together too!


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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2008, 10:21 PM »
My experience with using clear acrylic is that after 3-4 years of sun exposure it starts to yellow badly.  Then again, the last piece I bought a few months ago now claims to have a UV-resistant, non-yellowing coating.  Maybe they've fixed it.
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2008, 11:14 AM »
The house I'm moving out of has some flat acrylic skylights that are still quite clear. We've lived in the place for 3 years, but knowing what I do of the history of the place, I'd bet they're 10 years old, so it's probably a matter of what type of acrylic you get.
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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2008, 04:01 PM »
Lexan won't yellow, and is shatterproof. It's reflected in the price difference between that and plex, which I think is UV stable for all but the cheapest brands (plexiglas is proprietary). I wouldn't use 1/8" for anything bigger than about 2' square, it might bow enough to pop out of the frame if there's any wind. If it was me I'd use at least 1/4" for a 3x5 or 3x6 frame. 3/8" would be enough to stop coconuts or suicidal chickadees. I'd probably use silicone to mount in the frame.
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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2008, 04:05 PM »
Lexan won't yellow, and is shatterproof. It's reflected in the price difference between that and plex, which I think is UV stable for all but the cheapest brands (plexiglas is proprietary). I wouldn't use 1/8" for anything bigger than about 2' square, it might bow enough to pop out of the frame if there's any wind. If it was me I'd use at least 1/4" for a 3x5 or 3x6 frame. 3/8" would be enough to stop coconuts or suicidal chickadees. I'd probably use silicone to mount in the frame.

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     Yes, good thoughts.   BTW will 3/8" stop a swallow carrying a coconut?   ;)

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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2008, 04:18 PM »
Semenza said "BTW will 3/8" stop a swallow carrying a coconut?   "

1/2" Lexan will stop a 357 magnum  & is used in airline wind shield.  However the last time bought a couple of sheets ( 1 - 4 x8, 1 - 5 x 9) of 1/2" Lexan  for a stairway I built for a customer the wholesale cost was over $1k....  1/4" Lexan was about $10 per before oil went to $100 a barrel.  At those price it had better "stop a swallow carrying a coconut?"

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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2008, 04:29 PM »
Most of my experience with Lexan was making camera shields to stop bullet hits. 1/2" is the standard. I never bought it myself, but it's use was a good indicator of price. When I first started in the film business, we used to cut four shields at once, and peel fresh paper on a piece for every take. When I left the business last year, we'd been using the same shield for four shows, and only g*d would help you if you scratched it.
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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2008, 05:28 PM »
Lexan won't yellow, and is shatterproof. It's reflected in the price difference between that and plex, which I think is UV stable for all but the cheapest brands (plexiglas is proprietary). I wouldn't use 1/8" for anything bigger than about 2' square, it might bow enough to pop out of the frame if there's any wind. If it was me I'd use at least 1/4" for a 3x5 or 3x6 frame. 3/8" would be enough to stop coconuts or suicidal chickadees. I'd probably use silicone to mount in the frame.

Thanks, Eli.  Where I live I've got lots of crazy squirrels, racoons, deer and various birds (some of whom do occasionally try to fly through a window or fight their refected image), but no coconuts. 

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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2008, 06:40 PM »
     Yes, good thoughts.   BTW will 3/8" stop a swallow carrying a coconut?   ;)
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darn, I almost missed the perfect setup.

Were you asking about an African or European swallow? ;D
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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2008, 08:58 PM »
Would anyone care to share photos of the storms?  I have some pics of mine that I plan on posting ASAP.

Regards,
Chuck

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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2008, 11:23 PM »
     Yes, good thoughts.   BTW will 3/8" stop a swallow carrying a coconut?   ;)
Seth

darn, I almost missed the perfect setup.

Were you asking about an African or European swallow? ;D

Eli,


   I wondered how long it would take for you or  someone to catch that  :D 

          Didn't mean to take it off topic, but I couldn't resist with  "bird" and "coconut" showing up in your post about the strength.


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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2008, 11:25 PM »
Would anyone care to share photos of the storms?  I have some pics of mine that I plan on posting ASAP.

Regards,
Chuck

Hi,

      I will try to remember to take some pics the next time I am at my parents house where the windows are hung.


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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2008, 10:29 AM »
Question:

Could/Would you use pocket screws for the windows?

Also, how about those tenons from woodcraft and a router/mortiser?  Dowelmax?

What do ya think?

Chuck
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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2008, 10:44 AM »
On boats you see Lexan and similar products used for fixed lights, port lights, and hatches. Exposure to UV will cause it to craze over time, requiring replacement. I would guess, depending on exposure, that it could take 15 years on storm windows.
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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2008, 05:18 PM »
Question:

Could/Would you use pocket screws for the windows?

Also, how about those tenons from woodcraft and a router/mortiser?  Dowelmax?

What do ya think?

Chuck

All are good options. The tricky part is getting some one else to paint for you.  ;D
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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2008, 08:50 PM »
Hi,

   I think the pocket hole screws and glue would be good. In fact I will probably try that next.

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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2016, 08:58 PM »
I am thinking about purchasing the Domino for a summer time project - 30+ wooden storms for my old colonial.

Anyone reproduced wooden storms that would like to share some pictures?  If not, can anyone point me to video/pics of joining two pieces of wood as in a wooden storm?

Thanks,
Chuck

Well, this project was put off for a number of years but I am really going to be doing it this summer (I hope).  Looking to purchase a domino.  However, do I do the 500 or the 700?  Typical window is 22" by 55".  Stock is around 1 1/16".  Stock will be run through a router table using window sash bits from Infinity. 

Thanks,
Chuck

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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2016, 09:00 PM »
Well, this project was put off for a number of years but I am really going to be doing it this summer (I hope).  Looking to purchase a Domino.  However, do I do the 500 or the 700?  Typical window is 22" by 55".  Stock is around 1 1/16".  Stock will be run through a router table using window sash bits from Infinity. 

Or - Do I just do pocket screws since then offer stainless steel ones now?

Thanks,
Chuck

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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2016, 09:13 PM »
Lexan is a brand name for polycarbonate plastics.  Polycarbonates are "tuff" plastics that can be bent and shaped.  1/4" poly will slow a 9mm bullet at 15 yards to the point that you can find it and often it will not penetrate.  It is used extensively in "bullet" resistant glass.  Several layers of poly are sandwiched between the glass, the ratings of the units are based on the number and thickness of the unit.  The polymers that poly tuff also mean the the surface is fairly easily scratched.  There is scratch resistant poly but it is very expensive.  I always warn customers that if they want scratch resistant that they consider acrylic.

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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2016, 09:52 PM »
Chuck,

    I have since done a bunch of the windows using the Domino 500. I think stock was 1 1/8" thick. I am pretty sure I used 10 x 50 dominos. Windows are about 34 x 60. Each light about 26" x 28".  3" - 4" frame.

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Re: Wooden Storms - 30+
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2016, 10:11 PM »
Chuck,

    I have since done a bunch of the windows using the Domino 500. I think stock was 1 1/8" thick. I am pretty sure I used 10 x 50 dominos. Windows are about 34 x 60. Each light about 26" x 28".  3" - 4" frame.

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How has it gone?  Got any pics? 

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« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2016, 12:07 AM »
Chuck,

    I have since done a bunch of the windows using the Domino 500. I think stock was 1 1/8" thick. I am pretty sure I used 10 x 50 dominos. Windows are about 34 x 60. Each light about 26" x 28".  3" - 4" frame.

Seth

How has it gone?  Got any pics?

No problems even with the oldest ones (about 7 - 8 years).  I don't have any pictures.  They are basically big rectangles with a horizontal center divider.

Seth