Der Flickschuster
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Alaska Ranger is now Der Flickschuster. Name change already?  German speakers will understand....  |
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EcoFurniture
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2010, 06:51 PM » |
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I could be wrong... but shouldn't it say flickENschuster? Sorry, konnte nicht wiederstehen  |
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2010, 07:22 PM » |
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Alaska Ranger is now Der Flickschuster. Name change already? German speakers will understand.... What about those who don't speak German? |
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The tools in my truck were talking the other day. The Dewalts, PC's, Boschs, Makitas were not happy. They also were in the minority. Their complaint: They felt unused and unappreciated since the Festools moved in. I guess the truth hurts.
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Der Flickschuster
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2010, 11:13 PM » |
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Alaska Ranger is now Der Flickschuster. Name change already? German speakers will understand.... What about those who don't speak German? Ask and ye shall be answered: Non-German speakers won't understand.  |
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Tom Bellemare
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2010, 11:15 PM » |
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'You make movies?
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Der Flickschuster
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2010, 11:37 PM » |
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Google is your friend.....  sondern - ist seine freunde...... |
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2010, 11:43 PM » |
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No Google, just a guess... I worked in Germany for about a man-year.
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2010, 12:42 AM » |
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I came up with 'cobbler' or 'shoe repairman'
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2010, 01:13 AM » |
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I came up with 'cobbler' or 'shoe repairman'
aber das ist nur "schuster"....... |
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2010, 02:00 AM » |
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Today's lesson in German:
"schuster" is, indeed a cobbler, or a shoemaker. Or, potentially, a shoe-repairer.
Now, just as in English - and indeed, in Japanese and I don't know what other languages - "cobble" can have negative connotations. "Oh, I just cobbled that together" suggests that something other than utmost care was involved.
Now, flickschuster is bad indeed. That is someone who botches up a job, who bungles, who does shoddy workmanship. And there we go again: "shoddy" derives ultimatley from shoe....and that ferschliggina shoemaker! For some reason, in English and in German, shoemakers get no respect.
"Slipshod" is a bit different etymologically, as it derives from someone who would exit his house in slipper-like houseshoes. But I am going to guess it entered the vernacular as adjunct to "shoddy". But back to the German - it is in carpentry and in woodworking specifically that the master craftsmen would pejoritavely term substandard work as flickschusterei, and the one who created was, indeed, the
FLICKSCHUSTER
So there you have it.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2010, 06:30 AM » |
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I am happy to report that while I worked for a Schreinerei in Germany I never heard the word used about me or anyone in that company! They did think me a bit odd when I got my own tools out of the van to use at work though! Rob.
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2010, 07:15 AM » |
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Vielleicht machen Sie "Die Festool Cobbler"
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2010, 03:44 PM » |
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And there we go again: "shoddy" derives ultimatley from shoe....and that ferschliggina shoemaker! For some reason, in English and in German, shoemakers get no respect.
Sind Sie Sich sicher? (Ich bin mir unsicher, ob dieser Satz richtig ist. Es tut mir Leid... ich bin Anf?nger mit Deutsch.) I recall reading that "shoddy" derives from the Civil War and referred to nasty fabric. |
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2010, 05:52 PM » |
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I think (at least in American usage) the carpentry equivalent to "shoemaker" in English would be a "wood butcher." (I have to say that I'm currently a member of that guild, but I'm working on that!) What would be the UK equivalent?
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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2010, 06:13 PM » |
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Don't know if the phrase is still used, but back in the sixties, when I worked as a carpenter's helper, my guy referred to substandard work as a "cobb job." I presume this was a reference to cobblers. Another thing I think many of us woodworkers, carpenters, etc. have in common with cobblers, is that since we know how to fix stuff, a lot of it lays around in disrepair waiting for us to get to it some day, thus cobblers children go barefoot, mechanics have cars that don't always start, woodworkers have houses with sticking doors that they will get to someday, etc.... Am I right?  |
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2010, 06:59 PM » |
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Don't know if the phrase is still used, but back in the sixties, when I worked as a carpenter's helper, my guy referred to substandard work as a "cobb job." I presume this was a reference to cobblers. Another thing I think many of us woodworkers, carpenters, etc. have in common with cobblers, is that since we know how to fix stuff, a lot of it lays around in disrepair waiting for us to get to it some day, thus cobblers children go barefoot, mechanics have cars that don't always start, woodworkers have houses with sticking doors that they will get to someday, etc.... Am I right? Yes, yes you are. Although this is a light-hearted thread, in defense of shoemakers, I do still bring my shoes into a shoemaker to get them re-soled, and am glad that they are still around (albeit harder to find.) |
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2010, 08:04 PM » |
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And they are one of the businesses doing better in this economy!
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The tools in my truck were talking the other day. The Dewalts, PC's, Boschs, Makitas were not happy. They also were in the minority. Their complaint: They felt unused and unappreciated since the Festools moved in. I guess the truth hurts.
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