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Question: How Does the Festool Owners Group Affect Your Purchases?
The Forum is the Main Reason I Purchased My First Festool Tools
The Forum is the Main Reason For My Second, or More, Festool Tools
The Forum Makes Me More Likely to Purchase Future Festool Tools
The Forum Does Not Affect My Festool Purchases

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« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2008, 11:55 AM »

The FOG does influence my purchase of Festool, more precisely, my purchase of the right product for my particular use.

While the poll question was about Festool purchases, the FOG also has an important effect on my purchase of non-Festools:

1.  It's valuable to find out what non-Festool items are useful and compatible with, say the MFT.  Information shared here becomes a combined research program, and saves us each from having to do all the experimenting that others have done.

2.  While it's not required that FOG members have much in common, there are a few common attitudes about work and tools that are pretty dependable:  FOG members value quality, are willing to look at different solutions, and expect precision.  They are also thrifty (!) in that FOG folk are used to doing a bit of cost/benefit analysis and thinking beyond purchase cost.  This makes the FOG opinions on non-Festools valuable to me.

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« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2008, 03:50 PM »

Everyone,
Thanks to all who have responded to this poll.  Administrative polls really help me understand the FOG community better, which in turn helps me figure out which new features and options everyone wants.  So your responses are really helpful.
Stay in touch,
Matthew
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« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2008, 05:00 PM »

It is nice to know that there are others out there with an almost fanatical dedication to the entire product line.  It instills the confidence in current and future users that they are making the right decision.  The spirit of the members taking the time to share their knowledge and experience with others is unprecedented.  I also love the humor many members impart to their messages.
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« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2008, 05:36 PM »

Matthew,
   I have read with interest the postings so far. That question can only be answered by a resounding  "yes". "Word of mouth applies. I will admit, woodshopdemos, me, Elena, Beth and all others review and use Festool tools to get the word out = bad and good. If it weren't for FOG, Per and Bob would never have come across my how-to on "Menzerna buffing compounds" and my trustee RO150.  That was years ago. Since then we talk all the time including have both of them up last week to be on a video how-to on crown molding and the Kapex...and when that is finished, I will post it here...how else can I get the story out.  Per and Bob are just two of thousands that I have linked within the last 4 years. I get 43,000 pages loaded a month...half of those are new to my website and probably new to Festool. It is a joy to welcome new people and to tell them about Festool and FOG.  I have over a hundred products of other manufacturers reviewed and used on the site. That keeps the site "well rounded", I hope, and it also means that search engines bring new readers from many, many different interests.
   But as an old lady friend used to say "Enough about me, how do you like my dress." (My answer was always "on the floor.")
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« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2008, 05:54 PM »

The answer to your question is yes.

But that ain't all of it.

I finer bunch around a digital camp fire I have never met.

And when you make the jump from here to analog reality,

as I have had the opportunity to meet many of you in person,

see Mr lucas above, a nicer bunch of folks gathered around a common subject I have yet to meet.

This includes the boys down at Clancys.

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« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2008, 06:34 PM »

I'd get more but Festool doesn't offer them, at least not here in North America:

Size 1 sortainer.  Size 4 sortainer.

LONG MFT3 rails.
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« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2008, 07:05 PM »

Definitely yes --- this place is dangerous! I'm not a professional woodworker/tradesman ---- so when I hear people who have been in the trades for 10-30 plus years rant about these tools --- well I don't think there is a better advertisement.


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« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2008, 07:40 PM »

Definitely yes --- this place is dangerous! I'm not a professional woodworker/tradesman ---- so when I hear people who have been in the trades for 10-30 plus years rant about these tools --- well I don't think there is a better advertisement.


Justin

I will echo everything Justin says.  All my Festools the ETS, The TS75, the CT 33 the router were all influenced by all of you-- I know who to blame Smiley

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« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2008, 07:58 PM »

My first Festool purchase (Domino) wasn't directly attributed to this forum, but it did lead me here when I was trying to learn how to use it to its fullest potential.

This fine people on this forum influenced my second purchase (MFT) and third purchase (TS75) on the merits of the total "system".  After that, I have to say that the remaining tool purchases have basically sold themselves - based on the quality of the Festool system.

All that being said - this is the first place I go now to research my next purchases and projects. 

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« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2008, 09:55 AM »

Everyone,
Thanks again for posting and voting.  Knowing that this forum can help people learn more about Festool tools, and can help consumers meet a dealer, makes all the effort worthwhile.  As you know, the forum is independent of Festool, but we have always maintained a good-will relationship with the company.

As a follow-up on this poll, I'd also like to hear how the actual buying experience was for you (see this discussion).

Stay in touch,
Matthew
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« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2009, 01:32 PM »

In Holland I could choose between a few high-quality brands. FOG pushed me over the edge to start buying these tools, but they also convinced me of the superiority of the system approach of Festool. And I'm still glad to hit the green slippery slope.
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« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2009, 07:48 PM »

I was looking for an FA (Festool's Anonymous) forum, instead I found this place.  It doesn't help the addiction, it just feeds it.
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« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2009, 08:12 PM »

 Welcome!

Welcome Home.  You are in good company.
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The tools in my truck were talking the other day.  The Dewalts, PC's, Boschs, Makitas were not happy.  They also were in the minority.  Their complaint:  They felt unused and unappreciated since the Festools moved in.  I guess the truth hurts.
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« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2010, 04:39 PM »

Festool's Quality sold me time and time again. This is getting to be another expensive hobby(maybe addiction fits better? Cool) (US$3000 Blink  in the past 4 weeks).
This forum is very useful as a source of knowledge regarding tools and their setup, use, and all of those impossible-to-fit-in-the-owner's-manual things.
That being said, this site has had a degree of influence on my selection of Festool tools--but not as much as my dad.
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« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2010, 09:03 AM »

For me, the forum has a little bit of swing.  I would never buy a tool just based on the review here or in any magazine.  But, after working with a tool hands on, the review here could be the butterfly effect that pushes to towards a yes or no.  If I felt the tool was not right for me, there is nothing said that would swing that vote to a yes.  But, if I am on the fence it would surely swing it.  Also, if I am considering a purchase, the review could help to accelerate the purchase.  ie, I know I am going to buy a OF1400 and a Domino, after looking at projects and reading through comments about the convenience of working with the tool, I have changed my spending habits so that a larger allocation of funds go towards the festool trust.

I see the biggest benefit of the forum of being able to network.  In that, I look at the projects page and when I find someone that is working on something I am considering building, I contact them and get more details. That alone has pushed me to go out and try a tool I may not have thought I wanted(needed).

Thus, the forum drives me towards new purchases and helps me make a decision when I might have reservations and did not buy a tool outright.

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« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2010, 01:06 PM »

The FOG has another effect on my purchases. If I have to decide on which size of a certain tool to buy, the FOG may give me a push in the right direction. So I went from a OF 1010 (I bought in Holland) to a OF 1400 in the USA. Comments at the FOG showed me that the OF 1400 was just a little bigger but with a wider field of use. I also hesitated in Holland to buy a MFT. Now I have a MFT/3 and I'm still telling myself how stupid I was to wait that long. I had a TS 55 in Holland and I bought the same again because it did what I wanted and I needed not a bigger saw.
My next buy will be a sander and the Domino, but that is for my next visit to the USA. And I'm sure the comments at the FOG will guide me to the right sander.
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« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2010, 02:15 PM »

My next buy will be a sander and the Domino, but that is for my next visit to the USA. And I'm sure the comments at the FOG will guide me to the right sander.

One sander???  Good luck with that.  Smile
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« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2010, 02:20 PM »

I think that part of the reason I recently bought a Domino was due to the enthusiasm people expressed for the tool here and elsewhere.
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« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2010, 04:18 PM »

One sander???  Good luck with that.  Smile

@ Steve, I really hate sanding and painting/staining, so that is why. Maybe Festool will change this after my first sander.
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« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2010, 04:50 PM »

So, it's been a while since this poll was created.  Anyone else interested in weighing in on whether the forum is doing a good job of helping you make educated, well-informed purchasing decisions?
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« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2010, 05:47 PM »

If it wasnt for this forum i would not be holding out for the C15 to be released.........because my dealers here in SA have no clue on new festool products in the pipe line. Even when i went there and told them about the C15 they said oh we have it here it just came out, and what do they bring out of the back room Huh? a T15....

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« Reply #51 on: August 08, 2010, 06:13 PM »

The greatest qualification this Forum has is the field experience of its members, and therefore their knowledge and experience with the Festool system in various "on site" / "workshop" scenario's which they share makes you think, how much better is that, how much more effective/efficient would that make me.

Some items I would never have considered but having read the reviews of guys like Brice, Jerry Works and seen the Festool TV demo's it makes realise how much better they could make your approach to and therefore your end product.

Also this forum whilst being "overseen" by Shane, does not control the input of FOG members, so if a piece of equipment is still needing improvement or has limitations, (Kapex?, Carvex?) then members share their concerns.

That is priceless and allows informed purchasing decisions.

 
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« Reply #52 on: August 08, 2010, 07:14 PM »

Does the forum influence my buying decisions?  With the exception of a Kapex, ETS 150/3, T15+3, TDK12, Domino, RAS 115, Rotex 150, seveal rails, accessories, some classes, future purchases, etc - Not at all.  Yea, right.

Joking aside, I totally agree with Guy.  Guy, great post  Thumbs Up
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« Reply #53 on: August 08, 2010, 08:32 PM »

I think it makes you feel like you are not alone out there in belonging/participating on this forum, and that in turn encourages further Festool purchases.

There's a tendency to shy away about owning Festool on other forums.  Some folks, just don't get it, but people here do.
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« Reply #54 on: August 08, 2010, 09:36 PM »

Much to the chagrin of my wife, and the detriment of my pocketbook, this forum has definitely swayed me to expand my Festool herd    hoard    holdings...  Chief amongst those that it "influenced":  the C12, the OF1400, a Rotex, several other sanders, organization galore, and oodles of accessories.

However, the first "push" down the green slide was actually the sale of a childhood collection, which prompted my justification to purchase the Domino-- my 1st Festool.  Truly, the most unique of Festool's offerings, IMO.
Craigslist almost immediately led me to a TS55 and Midi... I found the FOG right after these, and then the ride got very, very fast.

The member contributions realllly have swayed me to buy a number lot of things.  Brice's reviews and demos, Jerry Work's various things (the MFT write-up especially-- now I have... well, several), Bob's excellent service, Rick's supplemental manuals, tutorials posted by everyone with great and new ideas, and wholly newly invented "products".  RonWen's Domino plate being a prime and recent example.

Add to all this Admin's who interact and do a fantastic job (I still boggle at Shane's "jog out to the warehouse" to verify the LR32 contents), and actual corporate response (Intro training classes!!)    Not Worthy

Once you get past the sticker shock, it's all a blue and green love-fest here.    Big Grin     
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« Reply #55 on: August 09, 2010, 10:07 AM »

This forum has (happily) cost me a lot of money.  The uniqueness of Festool offerings sometimes makes it hard to figure out what the darned things are for.  I never would have bought the MFS or the Parallel Guides without the tutorials on the forum.  I was skeptical that a miter saw could be worth $1300 for a long time, but the forum changed my mind.  Going through the same process with the OF2200 now, probably just a matter of time. Wink

I think Shane and his management have done extremely well in their stewardship of the forum.  I know some of the nonsense we put on the forum must make them wince, but they wisely let it work itself out.  Allowing negative comments about the products increases the integrity of the board and improves its value to us.

And thanks to the moderators, too.  You guys are doing a great job.
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« Reply #56 on: August 09, 2010, 01:09 PM »

I definitely would NOT have purchased any Festools without this forum.  While the concept has a lot of appeal (unified systems approach, dust control), I simply would not have paid such a premium without convincing evidence from satisfied users. In the US at least, we're "conditioned" to believe the market is efficient.  Consequently, in an efficient market, there's a direct relationship between price and value.  However, as a marketing guy myself, I know that much of this is BS.  So, I need to see evidence from satisfied users. This forum provides that. 

I'm sure there are times when "management" cringes at some of the comments/disclosures on the forum.  However, in the end, I think the forum enhances the value of Festool, supporting both with new purchases and education for existing assimilated brothers users.
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« Reply #57 on: August 09, 2010, 02:44 PM »

Sometimes FOG directly makes them happen... like feeding an addict from the trough...

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« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2010, 03:58 PM »

I don't have quite as many Festools as Fred West but, thanks in part to this forum and the Festool class I attended, I am getting close.

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« Reply #59 on: August 09, 2010, 06:48 PM »

I don't have quite as many Festools as Fred West but, thanks in part to this forum and the Festool class I attended, I am getting close.

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