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The Forum is the Main Reason I Purchased My First Festool Tools
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« on: April 09, 2007, 02:53 PM »

Hi Everyone,
I am very interested in understanding how the Festool Owners Group affects members' buying decisions.
Does this Forum make you more confident about purchasing tools from Festool?
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2007, 06:57 PM »

I don't know about more confiedent - but thanks to you all I'm running around madly trying to get my hands on a Kapex. darn you, if it wasn't for the FOG I might never have known it existed!
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2007, 07:30 PM »

Richard,

Given the good service that this forum has provided in making your life a little more "exciting", you WILL give us a detailed report, won't you?  (After all, you need to share the pain... uhh, joy.  Yes?)  Grin 

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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2007, 09:32 PM »

Matthew

I would never bought the RAS 115 without seeing the review.We do not have a dealer in Memphis. The FOG is my source of information.My information was SMC at one time, but in my view it has changed at the Creek.Thanks one more time for the work you have put in the FOG.
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2007, 11:06 PM »

I thought that I had a good start with my Festool collection -- then I found this (actually the former) board a year later.  I learned about the Domino and Boom Arm -- they both looked more and more interesting.  Then they kinda shifted from my 'of interest' list to my official wish list.  Now they both need to go on my insurance list.  I find this board to be totally at fault here.

No, before I started gazing over the info on the FOG I only had that darn, "Getting the Most From the MFT Multifunction Table" by Jerry Work to blame for all this foolishness.  All this great information is costing me...

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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2007, 10:52 AM »

IMHO I think message boards in general that revolve around a product or something else have a direct influence on whether or not a person will buy something or not.

A couple of years ago I belonged to a car detailing forum and before I knew it I had all sorts of car detailing stuff (waxes, polishes) and equipment. However I had a very shiny car.
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2007, 10:46 AM »

I have found the forum very useful in learning about Festool's products.  My first Festool purchase, the TS55 and CT22 was a no-brainer and was done before I started reading this forum.  However, many of the other products have benefits that are not immediately apparent.  I didn't 'get' the MFT until reading about it here.  Not sure I understand the MFS yet, so I follow posts on this closely and waiver on a buying decision.  When I first heard about the Domino, I laughed - $700 for a biscuit joiner!  But this forum and John Lucas' website showed me the benefits, so I bought one. 

My shop is full and I have no room for more tools, so any new tool really has to add value and ideally replace an existing tool.  For instance, the Domino was essentially a no-cost item after I sold my FMT.   Getting to see how others are using the tools is very important for me and I probably would have stopped my Festool binge after the saw, sander, and vac without the info provided here.
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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2007, 01:07 PM »

The answer to Matthew's question is "definitely yes" for me.  Through this forum I have learned far more about the capabiliities of various Festool (and other) products I would not otherwise have known.  The participation of Festool USA personnel and their knowlegeable ISAs has only added to my knowledge and my "wish list."  Without that additional knowledge I would have remained stuck in the conventional methods of woodworking using conventional tools.  I am truly grateful to members of FOG for alerting me to Domino; you saved me from buying a benchtop mortising machine and a biscuit joiner.   Depending on the models chosen, these two "conventional" machines would have cost about the same as a Domino machine, taken more shop space, and needed more accessories to a narrower range of projects.

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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2007, 03:10 PM »

  I find this forum to be very helpful to me.  I can search for, or ask for, information that I don't find on the festool web site (e.g. how to use tools in different ways).  I can read about what people like and dislike about specific tools.  Those are key ways that the forum helps me with buying decisions but I'd say that the forum helps greatly in other ways as well.
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2007, 12:04 PM »

Matthew, much to the chagrin of my Fiance, YES the FOG has very much helped?  Grin me purchase more Festool tools and or drool over the unavailable such as the Kapex. Fred
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2007, 01:29 PM »

I obviously missed this thread 1st time around, as I wasn't a member then. But, thanks to Fred, I've now found it.

I had a TS55, OF1400, Kapex, and CT mini defore I discovered this forum. I was quite happy with those.

I haven't bought any new Festools since I joined (except one or two systainers), but only 'cos I can't afford at the moment. Thanks to this site, my wish list now consists of:

MFT (at least one, preferably one of each size);
MFS700 routing template, plus additional 1000mm rails;
Rotex RO150

NONE of which I would have even considered without the help (?) of you lot!!! Angry Huh? Grin
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2007, 02:31 PM »

I can say this forum directly resulted in the following purchases:
1) 1010 Router
2) Boom Arm for Ct22
3) MFS 700 and 100mm rails
4) Router plate for 1400
5) Hole drilling jig
6) ETS 150
7) An assortment of Sortainers
Cool Quick clamps
9) LA 650 (still don't have a use for it)
10) Cover Plate for TS55

The experience of others with these tools gave me the information that suggested these would be useful tools for me.
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2007, 02:47 PM »

I can say this forum directly resulted in the following purchases:
1) 1010 Router
2) Boom Arm for Ct22
3) MFS 700 and 100mm rails
4) Router plate for 1400
5) Hole drilling jig
6) ETS 150
7) An assortment of Sortainers
Cool Quick clamps
9) LA 650 (still don't have a use for it)
10) Cover Plate for TS55

The experience of others with these tools gave me the information that suggested these would be useful tools for me.

John,

I notice from your list that you have the MFS700 & the 1000 rails I'm looking to get - how have you got on with them? Was it worth the money? What do you use it for, and how often? If (god forbid) you lost all your tools & had to buy them all again, would it be on your list to buy, or would you use the cash towards another tool?

Sorry about all the questions! Grin
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2007, 04:45 PM »

I decided to buy Festools on the basis of them existing, gone for pretty much the full range. Maybe the FOG has helped narrow choice in a case or two. I like hands-on for final decision, meaning I've tried what I bought first. I have found many, many helpful tips on tweaking and fixing them here.



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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2007, 05:36 PM »

Hello from one Jonny to another!

I bought the MFS 700 and the 1000mm rails based on comments here and after reading and rereading and rereading Jerry Work's ideas for using the MFS, especially with the saw and MFT. Unfortunately, one of the short rails was out of square when it arrived, I think damaged in shipping. I have been waiting a few weeks for a replacement part so I have not yet had a chance to work with it as much as I had hoped by now. I will keep you posted when the new part arrives.

I can say this forum directly resulted in the following purchases:
1) 1010 Router
2) Boom Arm for Ct22
3) MFS 700 and 100mm rails
4) Router plate for 1400
5) Hole drilling jig
6) ETS 150
7) An assortment of Sortainers
Cool Quick clamps
9) LA 650 (still don't have a use for it)
10) Cover Plate for TS55

The experience of others with these tools gave me the information that suggested these would be useful tools for me.

John,

I notice from your list that you have the MFS700 & the 1000 rails I'm looking to get - how have you got on with them? Was it worth the money? What do you use it for, and how often? If (god forbid) you lost all your tools & had to buy them all again, would it be on your list to buy, or would you use the cash towards another tool?

Sorry about all the questions! Grin
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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2007, 05:50 PM »

Cheers John!
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2007, 11:46 PM »

Does the Festool Owner Group Affect Your Festool Purchases?  Are you kidding?  I don't see how it couldn't be responsible for many of the things that became a must have around my shop.  Recently an interested party posed a question something like, "I don't get Festool."  Well, I would have to think that many that, "don't get Festool," do exactly that -- they don't get Festools.  Instead, this person did the best thing by asking.  No, the FOG is certain to affect Festool purchases.  
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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2007, 12:59 AM »

Does the Festool Owner Group Affect Your Festool Purchases?  Are you kidding?  I don't see how it couldn't be responsible for many of the things that became a must have around my shop.  Recently an interested party posed a question something like, "I don't get Festool."  Well, I would have to think that many that, "don't get Festool," do exactly that -- they don't get Festools.  Instead, this person did the best thing by asking.  No, the FOG is certain to affect Festool purchases. 

I come from the hand tool side of woodworking. Allot of my friends are power tool users and it is rather interesting to see how few of them know or understand Festool and the dust collection it provides along with the whole idea of moving the tool around the work rather then the work around the tool. Those that have seen my Festool's have been thoroughly impressed to the point where the head carpenter at work asked my manager to let me build the 10 foot long boardroom table cause I would do a better job and was better equipped.

Once the table was completed everybody was happy although to me it looks dated as it was made out of oak. Others also started bringing projects to work for me to help out on cause the TS-55 is such a good plunge saw.

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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2007, 10:41 AM »

I think a major benefit of FOG is that it makes you aware of Festool tools and how to use them from multiple viewpoints.   While the Festool brochures and videos are useful, many times the "Ah ha!" moment (the moment of enlightenment) comes from viewing something from multiple perspectives.

The MFS is one example.  Jerry Work's MFS document is great, but it didn't bring the "Ah ha!" moment.   That occurred at some point in a small post (I can't even remember whose).  Then, I reread Jerry's doc and other MFT posts and docs in a new light.   They made sense to me as related to MY needs.   

So it's not just the great content, it's the triangulation of multiple viewpoints.   

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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2008, 01:37 PM »

I don't own one single Festool item - yet.  But I've been scouting the forum for some time looking at ways to integrate the Festool line into my woodworking.  I'm a hobbyist. I work in a double garage that is used daily (except in summer project season) for cars.  My main initial interest in Festool is the outstanding dust collection systems of the tools.  I hate cleaning up the garage after a project.  After joining the FOG and posting a question or two, I'm much more informed about Festool than if I'd just talked to the dealers.  With the how-to articles, I can "picture" how I could use different Festool equipment. Now I just have to find a way to sell a couple of Elu routers to purchase the Festool 1400.  And I'll purchase the TS55 + MFT 1080 (new model when available).  I'd like to eliminate my table saw if possible.  The forum has been a great help in helping me think that one out.
A friend of mine was building a small wooden boat.  He needed a couple of angle irons for it's construction.  To have them made by a metal shop would have cost him under $30 but he said "why should I pay someone else to make it when I can buy a welder for $800 and make it myself"!  I love his logic.
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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2008, 01:44 PM »

"why should I pay someone else to make it when I can buy a welder for $800 and make it myself"!  I love his logic.

That's my kind of logic.   I've been telling my wife for years that there's no sense in tackling a project if it doesn't provide an excuse to buy a new tool.  So far it's worked.....

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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2008, 02:14 PM »

Hi,

   It is always nice to hear that this forum is helpful, especially from newer members (not that I have been a member for that long either). I am seeing more posts from new posters lately. That is a good thing and probably means that the FOG is doing well. Thanks, in no small part, to our moderator Matthew.


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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2008, 07:28 PM »

"If you need a tool and don't buy it, before too long you will have paid for it and not own it"
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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2008, 05:17 PM »

Richard,

Given the good service that this forum has provided in making your life a little more "exciting", you WILL give us a detailed report, won't you?  (After all, you need to share the pain... uhh, joy.  Yes?)  Grin 

Regards,

Dan.

Well I guess better late than never.
The Kapex is excellent in terms of ease of use, the laser guides and most importantly for me as I cut a lot of MDF, dust extraction.  On the other hand I don't find it quite so accurate as my old Metabo / electra Beckum, but the dust extraction left me gasping.  My other criticism is that the accessory stands / stops / tapes, although very ingenious, are in no way a replacement for a permanent installation - I had Kreg guides with my old saw setup which were much better.  But that is probably an unfair criticism as as the Festool "outriggers" and MFT stand are specifically designed to be portable.  I sometimes miss the bigger capacity of my other saw, but I love the double laser - which is spot on - and the dust collection whichreally does beat any other chop saw I've tried
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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2008, 11:15 PM »

I have certainly spent a small fortune on Festool as a result of my exploits here, but I have also purchase several non-Festool items as a result of advice received here from other Festool users.  I find that by soliciting advice from those equally afflicted, I can expect to hear the truth about tools not available (at least in the US Roll Eyes) from Festool in other categories I need.
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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2008, 02:13 PM »

"If you need a tool and don't buy it, before too long you will have paid for it and not own it"
-Henry Ford

Thanks, Eli, for the verbal "ammunition!" I have already used this quote in explaining to my wife my need for more Festool products, and she has not disagreed!!

Seriously, almost every time I need a tool I don't currently own for some DIY job around my house, and many on my cars, I find it less expensive to buy a new tool that I can use any time I want or need than to pay others to do the job.  Rental tools are frequently abused and not well maintained, and if you don't complete the job in a day or less, you will soon have paid as Henry said.  I have some gear pullers and suspension tools I may never use again, but their purchase enabled me to rebuild the front suspension on a BMW for about 1/4 what a professional shop would have cost me.  While the car was on the floor stands, I did several other repairs, maintenance and a few upgrades including brakes, transmission seals, new shifter mechanism and had the driveshaft rebuilt (less than 1/2 cost of a replacement shaft).

I bought my TS 55 figuring I would use it for cutting sheet materials, which I do now.  But it essentially paid for itself with the first job I tackled: fitting three interior oak replacement doors to existing (previously refinished)frames using old hardware.  I was afraid of tackling that job because each of the doors were custom ordered (read expensive) and had glass panels.  The pros seemed reluctant to take the job, too.  One agree to do it for ~$400, but he kept postponing actually doing the work.  So finally, the wife pushed me to try.  The TS 55 with joined guide rails made the necessary bevel cuts easy.  The largest door (36"W x 80"H) was very heavy due having a single large "light" (stained glass core with outer layers of tempered glass), and had to be hung on existing ancient double swinging hinges mortised into both the top and bottom, after trimming all four edges to keep the panel centered in the not perfectly square frame.  But even that was no problem with the TS 55 and the guide rails.  Without them, a lot more skill would have been required.

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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2008, 04:24 PM »

I hear you. I bought a floor nailer yesterday.   Cheesy
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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2008, 11:51 PM »

And then nothing will say Happy Day After Valentine's Day like the 1200 mg of ibuprofen you'll need every 4 hours after spending a whole day on your knees.  Not to mention up and down fetching wood, arranging the pattern, and walking to the chop saw for the ends.  My back aches in sympathy at the memories.

The TS55 makes a heck of a finished edge though.
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« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2008, 06:05 AM »

Maybe my back, but not my knees so much.

Untypically, I cheaped out on the floor nailer and only paid $280 instead of the $700 the Bostitch goes for. Looks like the factory just rebranded the Bostitch castings though. By a company called Airco. It has a warranty longer than the floor job will take me, which was too long to just rent one.

I hate renting tools. It's like using a public payphone.

The TS55 makes a heck of a finished edge though.

But I'm guessing the Kapex will be used more. There's a deck right through the sliding glass door where I can cut outside in the warm sunshine.

Ibuprofen is what college kids take when they've had too many beers. I require something a bit stronger generally.

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« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2008, 09:59 AM »

Matthew,

I have to say that the FOG doesn't do anything to encourage me to purchase Festools.  There are so many hard charging True Believers on this forum I become rather suspicious with their comments.  They've swallowed the Festool "Superior German Engineering" hook, line and sinker. 

The MFS is one of those things I'm simply not sold on, yet to hear some comments made on it you'd think it changed peoples lives.  Brices online manual on the MFS is an excellent document on the use of it, the pics are clear and consise yet pretty much confirmed to me that it's (in my opnion) a very over rated, high priced set of t-slot aluminum frames.  Quite frankly I think his document is a better tool than the MFS.

One other FOG member made a comment regarding the difference between carpenters and tool collectors (eager to have the latest doodads.)  I think there are a lot of tool collectors eager to talk about their latest Festool purchase and looking for a pat-on-the-back to justify the outlay of their cash on expensive tools.

This is in no way a slam on Festools power tools.  I love the 2 tools I have and consider the money there well spent and look forward to purchasing the ROS 150 to sand butcher block countertops.   These purchases were influenced by my Wood Craft Festool dealer and not this blog. 


Anyway, thats my 2 bits.

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