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« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2007, 07:20 AM » |
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I forgot to mention one of my other interrests. i did mention that i had built a chicken coop. I put together eggs for my egg route. I candled the eggs, and for a coupe of years, started my new supply of chicks. all this also in the KITCHEN. I really don't know how my mom put up with me during those days.  Tinker |
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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2007, 09:03 AM » |
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I have been working on some of my project plans to get started on when my outside work gets closed down for winter. I suddenly realized that the size of my shop is not my biggest (smallest) problem. as i was sketching, it dawned on me that i have always had to keep in mind access FROM my shop. I have 3 entrances. One a very narrow and VERY STEEP stairway. If a project is over 32" in width and 40" in height, i can't go out that way. In fact, if the dimensions come even close, it is a two man operation.
the second doorway is about 36" w x 48" h with several floor tools in the way. That is the corner where a whole lot of debris and seldom used machines seem to congregate. Even if those were not in the way, it is still a two man project, even if the project is not too heavy.
The third exit is the cellar hatchway. I have purposely eliminated the steps so large items can be brought in or removed. I have used my backhoe to bring in such items as washers, driers, HW heaters, etc. To bring in a Dutch cupboard my father had built in late 20's or early 30's, it was a four man job. The width of the cupboard was no problem, but with a dolly under the 60+ something tall piece, the top slid under the floor joists with less than 1/4" clearance. My father was in sort of same situation when he build it. He and my mother were living in a rented house and the only area large enough to build the cupboard was the attic. He had it all put together and discovered that widthwise, there was no problem to get it down. height wise, was another story. It just did not fit and he had to completely disassemble. He reassembled and reglued in the room where it was to be located. Right now, it is down in my cellar as a storage closet and shelves. There just ain't no room anyplace else in the house.
Interresting side note: That cupboard is all pine. A few knots but not so many as todays #2 might have. What is most interresting is the clseness of the grain. You just do not find pine anywhere today with the grain lines 1/4" to 3/8" separations. That had to have been virgin old growth pine. the sides were of one piece 24" width.
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« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2007, 01:42 PM » |
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Go get yourselves a beer, cup of tea, or whatever, this is going to be kinda long.
Yeah, but well worth it. Our world has changed so much, and I think it's so valuable to hear what things were like not so long ago. Thanks very much for such a great story, & hope you'll find the time to share more. BTW, my dad went to high school at about the same time as you, and I often remember his stories about the house he grew up in, which was heated with a wood stove. This was in Philadelphia, PA--not somewhere out in the country! Ice was delivered door-to-door because most people didn't have refrigerators, and some people were still using horses and wagons to haul stuff through the city when he was a boy. Compared to you, my father had it easy--his family had electricity, indoor plumbing and a telephone. (Edit: I forgot to mention that my dad's parents were both school teachers, and they enoyed a "middle class" standard of living for those times.) Regards, John |
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« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2007, 03:29 PM » |
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I agree with John. Another great story (and combined history and woodworking lesson) from Tinker!! Keep them coming, please.
Tinker,
Since your shop is so space challenged, have you built any larger projects using knockdown hardware? I just received my first catalogues yesterday from LeeValley, and I note they offer allen/flat head connector bolts and cam-lock fittings for that purpose. I used the connector bolts for a combined trundle/captains bed (trundle bed on bottom with a row of full width drawers between the trundle and the upper main bed) so it could be disassembled and moved without a forklift truck. It's been in daily use for several years, has been moved, and has never had any problems with coming loose or racking (the side members containing the drawer front frames are 17" high) whatsoever. It's made of hard maple that is stained to match a similar engineered and styled desk made of cherry. No problems with it, either. These items were made from solid hardwoods. I don't know how durable similar mechanical connections would be if PC melamine or plywood had bee used instead.
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« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2007, 04:39 AM » |
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Go get yourselves a beer, cup of tea, or whatever, this is going to be kinda long.
Yeah, but well worth it. Our world has changed so much, and I think it's so valuable to hear what things were like not so long ago. Thanks very much for such a great story, & hope you'll find the time to share more. BTW, my dad went to high school at about the same time as you, and I often remember his stories about the house he grew up in, which was heated with a wood stove. This was in Philadelphia, PA--not somewhere out in the country! Ice was delivered door-to-door because most people didn't have refrigerators, and some people were still using horses and wagons to haul stuff through the city when he was a boy. Compared to you, my father had it easy--his family had electricity, indoor plumbing and a telephone. (Edit: I forgot to mention that my dad's parents were both school teachers, and they enoyed a "middle class" standard of living for those times.) Regards, John John, For about 6 yrs, i lived on my uncle's farm in the Berkshires of Massachusetts. I was dropped off for about two weeks while my mother & father tried to settle their differences. the stay lasted thru probably the most impressionable period of my life. it was during the War years. I have a whole lot of stories bouncing around in my head of those, since i was a kid on the home front, enjoying life, days. (Interresting side note: Does your dad remember the old hand cranked telephones. Our service was the next to last service in the USA to have them. I tell my peers about that and they think i am crazy. Ask your dad if he remembers.) anyway, back to your remark about having ice delivered dood to door. I remember that. I still call a refridgerator and ICE BOX. Before we had door to door delivery, we made our own ice. The pond we got it from was way back up in the north pasture of 160 acre property. I won't go into a description of tools, or methods, here, of how we cut and hauled the ice. the important part was to wait til the ice was atleast 12" thick and hoped there was enough snow on the ground that we could sled it down to the ice house. there, we layed in a few inches of saw dust (from logging mill, not like you see in your wood shop). A layer of ice spaced an inch or so apart in all directions. Another layer of saw dust, being sure saw dust worked down the verticle spaces. Another layer of ice. Another layer of sawdust and so on until the shed was packed full. We used the ice, not only to keep food cooled, but more importantly, and just as important keeping the household food supply safe, but it cooled the milk as soon as it had been extracted from the cows. It is amazing how long ice could be stored in the way described. i don't recall if we ever had any left over at beginning of next "ice cutting", and if so, I don't know weather or not it was disposed of. The very worst problem with cutting ice was that some seasons, if the snow was not swept (or shoveled) of the ice, it could become "honeycombed". That was disaster. When it got to a certain thickness, we could go on to the pond with the horses and they would drag a plow. If we got a rel heavy snow, it was just, "everybody grab a shovel." We did not use those "newfangled" snow shovels with the wide blade. we used what we called "barn shovels". They had a flat scoop about 12" wide. For lighter snows, we used a "coal scoop". You learned early on that you did not use a shovel that was more than your body wanted to handle. to this day, i never shovel snow with anything wider than about half way between the old "barn shovel" and the coal scoop.. When you read about men dieing from shoveling snow, it is usually from using those oversized man killers that are labeled in the stores as "snow shovels." I could go on and on about the fun of living and surviving hard winters, both on the farm and later when my brother and I moved back to living with or mom. One thing I do remember is that snows, even deep ones, are no where near as deep these days as they were when i was 4 or 5 years old. Now, ain't that strange?   One of these days, i am going to go back over all of the entries to find out just what i have written.  Tinker |
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« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2007, 04:49 AM » |
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I agree with John. Another great story (and combined history and woodworking lesson) from Tinker!! Keep them coming, please.
Tinker,
Since your shop is so space challenged, have you built any larger projects using knockdown hardware? I just received my first catalogues yesterday from LeeValley, and I note they offer allen/flat head connector bolts and cam-lock fittings for that purpose. I used the connector bolts for a combined trundle/captains bed (trundle bed on bottom with a row of full width drawers between the trundle and the upper main bed) so it could be disassembled and moved without a forklift truck. It's been in daily use for several years, has been moved, and has never had any problems with coming loose or racking (the side members containing the drawer front frames are 17" high) whatsoever. It's made of hard maple that is stained to match a similar engineered and styled desk made of cherry. No problems with it, either. These items were made from solid hardwoods. I don't know how durable similar mechanical connections would be if PC melamine or plywood had bee used instead.
Dave R.
Dave, i have build a few things designed to come apart. Usually, i try to design in sections that can be easilly bolted or unbolted. Several years ago, my daughter was moving from condo to condo. Usually an upgrade as her between hubbies situation began to improve. I built her a book case using sliding dovetails. Each shelf was anchored with a sliding DT which i had constructed with tapers so the shelves would lock in tight, but easy to knck apart to dismantle for the next move. The sides were made with 1x12 and tapered to about 8" at the top. Each shelf was different size according to how it related to the sides. she could put the entire book case along with her books right in the trunk or backseat of her car. That was done long before I ever even heard of Festool. Also, my Wood Rat has an allowance to make taperd sliding dovetails. i will be doing the same sort of project for grandson sooner than i realise. He is just about past the toys stages and I will son be constructing a trophy case for his wrestling prizes. I am trying to figure how to do a knockdown display case for him that can double as book case if so desired. Tinker |
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« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2007, 11:15 PM » |
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All this remoniscing (sp?) has made me nostalgiac for the days of my youth. I may well be the youngest person on this forum to have used an outhouse (no half moon window) until my mid-teens. My grandparents lived on a farm in central Texas, and there was no bathroom in the house. There was one sink (in the kitchen) with running water (the drain just went under the house), but you had to walk outside and use a hand pump to build pressure. We never used it, but rather used water gathered in a sistern that collected rainwater off the roof of the workshed (clapboard building with a dirt floor). We had a steam powered engine that powered a multitude of machines including a wheat thresher and a lathe. We even had a working windmill that was orignally built in 1909, the year my Grandad was born. I have many, many fond memories of time spent on that farm, hunting, fishing, riding my bike through the pastures. I'm about half lit, right now, and I'm tearing up a bit.  I mentioned that I may be the youngest person on the forum to have used an outhouse (not a plastic box dropped off on a jobsite).... I'm 35. |
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« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2007, 11:16 PM » |
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« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2007, 01:11 AM » |
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I mentioned that I may be the youngest person on the forum to have used an outhouse (not a plastic box dropped off on a jobsite)....
I'm 35.
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« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2007, 05:52 AM » |
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When i was on The Farm, the outhouse was actually indoors. There was a closed in "woodshed" at the back end of the house. The inside wall of the woodshed was the wall of a long hallway on the other side that led to, you guessed it, the "two holer" . Now that was realy livin'. However, when my uncle's father (the man was a "grandfather" to me, even tho not actually related to me) came to visit, he never used that "luxurious" outhouse. He always said he was broke to the barn and there is where he went to do his bizness. That outhouse is still there and when power is gone, it still gets used to this day. As long as I have been away, I can still find my way there and can actually put my hand exactly onto the light switches along the way. (we had electrcity in most of the house by the start of the war WW II) Fast forward: When my mom bought a house ($2500 A long story about how she got the loan and the joys involved with paying it off>>> this could go on all day) in Wilton, there were none of the amenities that my brother and i had become used to for the past several years out in the boonies of the Berkshires. The outhouse was actually outdoors. That first winter, Mom tried a chemical toilet. You did your biz into a regular looking toilet, porcelain paint or glaze, and all. Instead of running water, there was some sort of chemical used to breakdown the products that would be introduced by us humans. it really did not smell bad and it could probably have been fine for a family of one who never partook of actual food in the persuit of survival. However, as mom said, "It was meant for a family considerably more constipated than the Tinkers." Within a very short time, we went to useing the outhouse, even during the most stormy of nights. We did not even use the old established method used by so many in those days of yore, the "pee-pot" under the bed. We were tough  As we became reintroduced to the joys of electricity and running water in the house, Mom wanted to get rid of the outhouse. I, however, insisted that she keep it. Afterall, it was not unheard of for people in the area to lose power upon occasion. as it turned out, that was one arguement I did win with my mother, and so many times, it was proven that i had been correct in my reasoning. One tends to forget the ugly in their lives, and so, i do not remember one single time that i ever rubbed that in.  I have mentioned that for the first several years we lived in Wilton, CT, I had a few chickens. I sold eggs in the neighborhood. eventually, I got rid of the chickens (via dinner table type usage) and the chicken house was moved a little closer to the house. It had been placed originally as far away from the house as possible on a 1/4 acre lot. Actually, 1/2 acre, but part of the property was too wet for such usage. One did not keep chickens close to the house as there was always a constant fight and vigilance to keep up todate with the fight against certain furry rodents with hailess tails. you did not want them close to the house. Anyhow, Mom did not like the looks of the outhouse. actually, i think it was her second husband who did not like it. (He was a good guy, so any remarks i might make concerning his likes vs Tinker family likes are definitely meant as facts of life and not as put downs) So, we got rid of the old OH with the new moon over the entrance and dragged the retired chicken coop over into its place. The chicken coopp became a tool shed and was nearly totally filled with garden tools. both Mom and her new love were avid gardeners and that coop was the perfect size for their needs. However, once again, even tho no longer my business, i interceeded with the advice that one corner should be preserved as an outhouse. I constructed, for them. a little throne in the back corner and that building remained as tool shed and outhouse combo until the house was sold (or slightly previous to sale) in 2000 something. Mom still had to use it upon rare ocassions right up until her first stroke at age 95. she was still iving alone, and still very independent. and still quite proud that when the electricity was lost for a few days, she was still able to cope. She had her coal stove in the kitchen for heat and emegency cookin, she still had a couple of kerosene lanterns and plenty of candles. AND she still had her outhouse. (Hey Garry you and i run into the same problem with reminiscences. My keyboard is gettin' all blurry right now. I can't see too good to edit, so y'all will have to struggle with the lack of editing) Tinker |
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« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2007, 08:36 AM » |
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Well, we've gone from small shops to outhouses, which may be some sort of commentary on where everyone spends the real quality time, but I wanted to add one more thing, because it's relevant to where we ended up....
We just bought a new house outside Melbourne, and in the six months since we've been renting here at this first house, the subject of water economy has been foremost in my mind. Drought is serious business here at the moment. As a renter, I've been catching several hundred litres of water a week in barrels from the wash loads (two small kids) to put on the garden.
I've already decided to redo the downstairs bathroom in the new house, and I'm pretty sure I want to disconnect the conventionally plumbed toilet and put in a Clivus Multrum. A plumbed toilet uses 30 percent of the household water supply, which is an awful lot. The rest of the house water grey waste I'm hoping to run through reed bed purification and then into fish tanks before using it for gardening. In a few years I'm planning to add a small pond to catch this water, and then maybe I can use it yet again instead of losing it into the ground or down the drain.
What I'm trying to get at is that a lot of things that we think are old are new again, being rediscovered as breakthrough technology when really it was done right in the first place. It's why no matter how many Festools I get there will always be a toolbox full of sharp edge hand tools.
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« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2007, 10:21 PM » |
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Well, we've gone from small shops to outhouses, which may be some sort of commentary on where everyone spends the real quality time, but I wanted to add one more thing, because it's relevant to where we ended up.... Leave it to me to send a perfectly good discussion to the crapper......  |
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« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2007, 06:20 AM » |
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Well, we've gone from small shops to outhouses, which may be some sort of commentary on where everyone spends the real quality time, but I wanted to add one more thing, because it's relevant to where we ended up....
We just bought a new house outside Melbourne, and in the six months since we've been renting here at this first house, the subject of water economy has been foremost in my mind. Drought is serious business here at the moment. As a renter, I've been catching several hundred litres of water a week in barrels from the wash loads (two small kids) to put on the garden.
I've already decided to redo the downstairs bathroom in the new house, and I'm pretty sure I want to disconnect the conventionally plumbed toilet and put in a Clivus Multrum. A plumbed toilet uses 30 percent of the household water supply, which is an awful lot. The rest of the house water grey waste I'm hoping to run through reed bed purification and then into fish tanks before using it for gardening. In a few years I'm planning to add a small pond to catch this water, and then maybe I can use it yet again instead of losing it into the ground or down the drain.
Eli, about the outhouse discussions, I guess when you get down to the nitty gritty of it all, you realize we are all full of it.
I am interrested in your water saving projects. You might be interrested to know the name of my business is Organic Yard Services. In my landscaping work, I do not throw
anything away If we weed a garden, we put weeds into mulch pile or use to fill in troublesome holes in yard. Leaves get broken down and reused on customers property as mulch, or they get taken home by me and next season sold back as mulch. woodchips get used on property or taken where they can be used.
i will not use any chemical fertilizers. Etc etc etc
I like your ideas for water uses/savings.
Tinker
What I'm trying to get at is that a lot of things that we think are old are new again, being rediscovered as breakthrough technology when really it was done right in the first place. It's why no matter how many Festools I get there will always be a toolbox full of sharp edge hand tools.
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« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2007, 07:52 AM » |
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Eli, about the outhouse discussions, I guess when you get down to the nitty gritty of it all, you realize we are all full of it.
I am interrested in your water saving projects. You might be interrested to know the name of my business is Organic Yard Services. In my landscaping work, I do not throw
anything away If we weed a garden, we put weeds into mulch pile or use to fill in troublesome holes in yard. Leaves get broken down and reused on customers property as mulch, or they get taken home by me and next season sold back as mulch. woodchips get used on property or taken where they can be used.
i will not use any chemical fertilizers. Etc etc etc
I like your ideas for water uses/savings.
Tinker
That reminds me of a story of course. About 4-5 years ago, I was working on an episode of CSI Miami (yes, it's filmed in LA, just like everything else) It was a scene where somebody discovers a body in a nursery, so we were at a nursery. I was standing around with a bunch of grips, waiting for a stunt guy to get hit by a car, and this short mexican guy all dressed in old green dickies comes up and he's grinning ear to ear. So I say, "You sure look happy" And he holds up a chipped mug and says, "Free coffee" and smiles like crazy. He'd filled up his mug at the craft service table, we've got coffee and food around all day. So I start talking to him, and I ask him how long have you worked here, and he says about eight years. And I talk to him some more, and get the whole story out of him. And he walks off. And one of my grip brothers walks up and says, "Man, that guy is lazy huh? I haven't seen him work a lick the whole time we've been here" And so I tell him the lazy guy's story. Eight years ago, he used to push a mower. He was a landscaper. Seven years ago, he had ten crews. Six years ago, he bought his first nursery. Two years later, he had five nurseries. And I'm walking with this other grip through this really big nursery, and we get to this huge machine that the 'lazy' guy showed me. "A year ago, he bought this thing", and I point to this huge yellow machine. It's like the hugest garden shredder you've ever seen, and on one side of it is a 30 foot high pile of old redwood studs, broken wardrobes, ripped out kitchen cabinets, all this demolition garbage. And on the other is a pile of shredded wood. "Yeah, so what's this?" the guy says. "He charges people to drop off construction waste" "Yeah" "He shreds it" "Yeah" "He puts it in a big pile for a few months" "Yeah" "And then he sells it as compost" "No way" "Way. The guy told me he's losing $10,000 today by being shut down so we can film here, but he wanted to see what a film set was like" FREE COFFEE!!!! That mexican guy is my hero of all time. |
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« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2007, 06:28 PM » |
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Great story, Eli. Proves you cannot accurately judge a Mexican guy by his chipped mug! He might even have been "lazy" - but clearly a much smarter entrepreneur than most.
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« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2007, 11:54 PM » |
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Anyone who can afford to loose $10,000 a day has WAY more money than I have. I wish I was as "lazy" as that fellow!
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« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2007, 06:56 AM » |
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Great story, Eli. Proves you cannot accurately judge a Mexican guy by his chipped mug! He might even have been "lazy" - but clearly a much smarter entrepreneur than most.
Dave R.
I have been self employed for well over 50yrs. during that time, i have hired many young people, teens to early 20's. (don't believe all of what you may have heard about how lazy teen agers are today, 't ain't nec'sarilly so). Some of those youngsters were very hard working and ambitous. However, i found that often, the laziest were actually the most productive. They listened to what i tried to teach, they did it the way i taught, did it right the first time and almost never had to perform a task a second time. (One of my methods for teaching teens was to tell them, show them, start them and then leave the job. A short time later, i would come back to check progress. So many times, i would find the results to have been somewhat lacking in, especially, perfection. I would tear it apart (this was in my masonry days), or in some way, make them start all over. The ones who did not care would soon self destruct and soon would be gone. te lads who really wanted to do better, especially my own son, would just pick up the pieces and get back at it. The lazy ones either never got to the point where i could trust them alone, or they learned to do it right the very first time. Often, i found that laziness was not necessarily an attitude, but more often interpreted as "thinking time." Tinker PS: I have been having problems with my printing on this site. Often, i cannot fet anything to print unless I go to "quote" Sometimes, everything works fine. Other times, my printing gets included in the quote. Sometimes, i can only print if I go to "preview" sometimes, i can get nothing. This time, I have done the complete report in "preview" having been able to go there only by going to "quote" first. It looks as if the only part of the "quote" that shows in "preview" is the word "Dave R. quote." This sequence, never the same each time, has been happening more and more. |
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« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2007, 07:15 AM » |
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They say the perfect grip crew has:
A tall guy, over 6'- He can fix a stage light without a ladder or grab something coming off the tailgate of the 40 footer while he's flatfooted on the ground. His wingspan will tell you whether scaffold or a camera crane can be rolled through an opening.
A really short guy- He can fit through small openings and inside a room where all other available space is taken up by lights, actors, the camera, the dolly and dolly grip, etc. He can crawl under cars and the raised floors of second story sets built on the stage floor. He's light so he won't come through the roof of a set while walking across suspended beams.
A strong guy- obvious. This guy is never out of work.
A fat guy- Long before there's any work to be done, he can identify the future job, how everyone can do it the easiest way possible without him getting in the way, and how long it will be before he's back at the food table chatting up a makeup girl.
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« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2007, 10:52 PM » |
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Tinker,
I've noticed your difficulty with the quoting. I encountered the same confusion when I first tried to quote someone who's text included another quote. The "Quote" button includes both quotes as well as your text. You just need to make sure that the number of "/q"'s equals the number of quotes and then type below the last /q. I personally like to delete all but one quote, so I only have one /q to avoid.
-Brandon
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Tinker
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« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2007, 07:01 AM » |
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Tinker,
I've noticed your difficulty with the quoting. I encountered the same confusion when I first tried to quote someone who's text included another quote. The "Quote" button includes both quotes as well as your text. You just need to make sure that the number of "/q"'s equals the number of quotes and then type below the last /q. I personally like to delete all but one quote, so I only have one /q to avoid.
-Brandon
Brandon, many times, i cannot do anything. i just tried answering you post without quoting. NO LUCK sometimes, i can not get anything by quoting. Sometimes, I can go ahead and print, even tho printing won't show as i type. I then go to "preview", where all of my printing shows and i can continue. Other times, it still won't show. It does not always happen the same way, but once i have a problem with a thread, that thread remains screwed up as if it is now off limits. This thread has a new set of problems i have not run into before, but i seem to be able to work arond the problems. each time i work arond them, it is a different way. i am wondering if this is related to my problems with trying to send pics. The couple of times i have tried, I not only failed with the pics, but lost the message also. Tinker |
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« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2007, 08:21 PM » |
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One little idiosyncrasy I have found with inserting a quote is that I have to click the "Insert Quote" a second time before it does anything. before it does anything. |
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« Reply #51 on: April 13, 2008, 11:01 AM » |
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Some shots of my shop this morning, while working on a toy chest for a new grandchild. [ ERROR: SPECIFIED ATTACHMENT MISSING ] /Users/donaldsweetser/Desktop/Shop 5.jpg/Users/donaldsweetser/Desktop/Shop 6.jpg/Users/donaldsweetser/Desktop/Shop 7.jpg/Users/donaldsweetser/Desktop/Shop 8.jpg/Users/donaldsweetser/Desktop/Shop 9.jpg/Users/donaldsweetser/Desktop/Shop 10.jpg
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« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2008, 12:43 PM » |
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My shop is so small.... even my wife thinks I should build a new one! |
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