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« on: May 30, 2012, 07:26 PM »

So this will take palce over several posts in order to upload all the pictures I have taken, but I thought it would be fun to share the progress photos of my new woodshop.

I have a detached one car garage that the roof was rotting off of it that I had only been using to store my mower and gardening tools. When it came time to address the roof I got the idea to renovate the building into my new woodshop, and move out of my tiny basement space. I'm going to do my best to get these photos up in order starting with the oldest showing the damage and the early repairs to the builds structure. right now I'm in the plastering and painting phase so I've gotten a ton done. I'm only going to caption photos I feel need it, but any questions just ask.

I only started taking photos after I ripped off the slate from the old roof and tore down the wet moldy insulation from the inside. Mind you I did that job in a full body suit with a respirator, gloves, and goggles... And as I was bagging that stuff I felt something hit me. I looked down and there beside me was a mummified rat. It had turned orange and lost all it's fur. Well apparently I screamed pretty good because a neighbor asked me later in the day what had happened. I guess it was at least an interesting way to start the project. These are the photos and the initial repairs to the structure.









































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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2012, 07:47 PM »

Alright so here is the second set of photos. Remember that garage door in the previous set? Well I decided to rip it off the building and replace it with double outswing french doors. It's so much nicer not having it take up overhead space and mess with the way my ceiling lights will throw their light. I've also got pictures of the collar ties on the ceiling, if you notice I decided to raise up the height. The start of my furring strip framing across the brick, to maximize ever inch of space I can get. The roof, siding, and skylights, are photographed. and the last image was the the rough sketch I made to try to layout where some of my tools were going to go... That has been changed sever times since here.








































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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2012, 08:30 PM »

Well this will be the last set I put up for today, but there are more to come. So that little drawing that says handtools, powertools, & fasteners, well the thought there is that I would organize all my small tools on pegboard walls and have these sign headers made for over certain areas just for fun. I've got a handful more drawn, but I kinda like the idea. I also bought a couple of wall mount swing arm lights to spotlight what I'm working on from the side mainly for sanding and finishing. I tossed in a couple photos of my kreg jig in this group since I used it for a lot of pocket holes on the end walls. I busted out the concrete slab in front of the shop because it interfered with the swing of the doors. You can see more framing getting done in this set of photos and the insulation baffles being put up on the ceiling.








































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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2012, 08:54 PM »

Great pictures.  I just moved out of a small basement into the light also. It is agreat move. Enjoy. Looking forward to more pictures.
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2012, 09:04 PM »

I'm stressed at being confined to 24 x 12 ... nnd I'm not putting floor standing kit in like yourself (yet). Admittedly I'm storing a lot of stuff that needs to be shifted and I keep a work desk in there.

Can you put DC outside?
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2012, 09:30 PM »

I'm stressed at being confined to 24 x 12 ... nnd I'm not putting floor standing kit in like yourself (yet). Admittedly I'm storing a lot of stuff that needs to be shifted and I keep a work desk in there.

Can you put DC outside?

I was considering that. I'd have to build some sort of lean-to on the back of the shop, and drill a large hole out through the brick, which I haven't done. I thought I'd move in and start building a gardening shed on the back and make the DC move if I need it. Ironicly the shop isn't done yet and I've also considered the ways I may build an addition in the future.
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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2012, 02:47 AM »

Very nice, Michael!  One caveat that I'll point out, probably too late, but wood directly to masonry.  Try to avoid or use something in between like a bituthene product or even tar paper and should be pressure treated wood.  That will extend the life from the effects of water and insect.
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« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2012, 06:30 AM »

Nice project Michael! Seems like you are doing a top-knotch job. One question. You mentioned stripping off the slate roof. Was the slate not salvagable? Your new shop has a lot of character and with a slate roof would be very distinctive. I also see that you are toying with the layout of your tools. You may have noted the discussion surrounding "table saw vrs. TS 75" posted recently. Seems like something you might want to consider with your limited space. My shop is 22' X 32' and is space challenged. Good luck on your project and keep us posted!

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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2012, 07:16 AM »

Very interesting thread, Michael. Good choice to replace that garage door with the French one. It may add extra costs to the project but it'll completely change your shop for the better.

Keep them pictures comin'.  Smile

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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2012, 07:49 AM »

Very nice, Michael!  One caveat that I'll point out, probably too late, but wood directly to masonry.  Try to avoid or use something in between like a bituthene product or even tar paper and should be pressure treated wood.  That will extend the life from the effects of water and insect.


Actually back before the frameing was done the entire inside was sprayed with a clear water barrier, and all of my toe boards are composit to stop water from wicking up. In retrospect butyl tape on the furring strips would have been a great idea, I've done that under deck boards with great success, but I didn't come up with it then. It's ashame though I'm getting all these great suguestions after the fact.

Nice project Michael! Seems like you are doing a top-knotch job. One question. You mentioned stripping off the slate roof. Was the slate not salvagable? Your new shop has a lot of character and with a slate roof would be very distinctive. I also see that you are toying with the layout of your tools. You may have noted the discussion surrounding "table saw vrs. TS 75" posted recently. Seems like something you might want to consider with your limited space. My shop is 22' X 32' and is space challenged. Good luck on your project and keep us posted!

JPF

You know I was considering that last year. My table saw is woefully undersized and I had planned on replacing it, but I had figured on a saw with a mobile base I could roll out front of the shop for large cuts. A TS 75 is definitly worth seriously looking into. The slate was delaminating and sheeting off the roof. Unfortunately my aera got bad slate from the local quarry in the 40s. All the homes are haveing to replace & reroof now. I sold it as salvage, but didn't get much because of the poor condition of the material... money is money though.
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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2012, 07:59 PM »

Okay so in this set of photos you can see the insulation going up on the ceiling. Since I didn't need to pull wires through most of those areas I could knock out a lot of that work. you can see the framing on the end walls I through a few photos of my old Ridgid Miter saw in there. I know it's no Kapex, but I can't kill the thing It's been very good to me. You can see the trench dug by hand out to the shop from the house to get electric out there. All my wire was run in conduit but I also took the time to put a capped unused water pipe & Gas line in the trench just in case I ever wanted to bring them inside and get water and/or natural gas out to an outdoor kitchen. I included a picture of a wall mount fan I ordered two of for in the shop. And the last image shows the end of the trench to get power out there and the spot where the old grounding rod was located. Let it be noted that I abandoned that rod since I didn't know it's specs, and drove two new rods in the ground for the shop.

 







































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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2012, 08:49 PM »

Alright so here is the next set of photos. Remember I'm already at the plastering & paint phase so you'r looking at already completed work. So most of this set shows photos of bringing power out to the shop in the form of a subpanel. I thought it was important to show what I did originally, so that others might learn from this colossal waist of my time. I ran a pretty beefy circuit from my first floor panel out to the shop all in conduit, and installed a small panel... too small. Let's just say $40 at Home Depot wasted. After completely hooking it up and wiring almost all the regular 20 amp circuits (I'll have photos of that later) I realized I totally forgot to include any room for 2 pole breakers in this little panel... A word came to mind. But what could I do, better to fix it than wish I had done it differently. So I took out this panel and have since replaced it with one that will suit my needs better. Now that You're up to date  let me just state for the record: I am not an electrician, and I don't claim to be. I'm comfortable with this level of wiring, but would under no circumstances encourage anyone to attempt this kind of work who isn't. Hire a professional. I know enough to make it safe, and make it pass my local inspection, but would never claim to be an expert on the subject. I learned what I know from my job, and my Grandfather, may he rest in peace, who was a master electrician. I only wish my own skill came anywhere close to his.
 









































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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2012, 09:47 PM »

Holy lots of work!  Kudos to you!  Looks great and I'm looking forward to your progress!  Keep up the backbreaking work! Smiley

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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2012, 10:18 PM »

Okay the first two photos here are of this plastic pegboard I'm putting up in the shop. The black section is going up top and the clear is going down below. It's really heavy duty and I love it. I only have the sample sheets I ordered for sizing, but I'm not long out from ordering the rest. I've got a few photos of the electrical boxes going up. I used surface mount boxes on the brick, because it was a lot easier to make them stable and secure that way. I have some picture showing how I rewired the wall mount fans to direct wire in, instead of having a 6' plug in cord hanging down the wall. and them I also put a picture of the light fixtures I bought for the front of the shop. I'm a sucker for the Craftsman look.











































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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2012, 10:50 PM »

That is a butt load of work you have gotten done there and nice done too.

What is the time frame from beginning to now has this project taken you and did you have any help?
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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2012, 10:57 PM »

That is a butt load of work you have gotten done there and nice done too.

What is the time frame from beginning to now has this project taken you and did you have any help?

Well I started it a year ago, but aside from a couple of weeks of vacation time we're talking about working weekends. And I'll admit to taking off the winter. I didn't have heat, and felt rather attached to my fingers. I've gotten a few days of help from friends here and there, notably a few weeks ago when I hung the  drywall on the ceiling (pictures will go up soon I promise, but I'm pacing them), but for the vast majority of the work it's just been me.
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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2012, 04:57 PM »

Well today marks the unfortunate end of my jigsaw. It's a shame really... I was scribing the back side of an oak board I'm useing as a shelf in the workshop and it just couldn't handle it. The motor burnt up. It wasn't expensive, it wasn't high end, actually it was a gift, but darn it I didn't want to have to spend the money. Ah well I guess it's time to start shopping.
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2012, 06:15 PM »

The Trion gets mixed reviews from members, but it does have an almost bullet proof drivetrain I have been told by those who really know (the guys who repair them).

Happy shopping!

Peter
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« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2012, 11:27 PM »

Alright so in this set of photos I've got some pictures of the electrical rough in, the light fixtures I installed on the front of the shop, a jet air filter I bought for the shop,and a few shots of the drill press I have in my basement shop that's going out there. Remember that the images of the subpannel are of the old panel not the new one.










































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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2012, 03:39 PM »

In this set I throw in some pictures of a Christmas Present I got last year a Kreg Router table. I took some shots of the dust collection bin I mounted, but I'm still planning on adding storage for accessories. There are some pictures of the drywall going up, and the last picture is a recessed box I put on the ceiling that is going to hose a amp for a Bose stereo system. You ask about the Charlotte's Web pictures... Well I'm planning to do two lighted stain glass panels at either end of the shop to appease my own sense of humor. One will read "Some Shop" and the other "Toolrific".












































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« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2012, 04:11 PM »

Can you post how you got the Dust Bucket to fit, I have the have router table.  The support bracket and levers are in the way.  How did you do the modification?
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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2012, 11:13 PM »

Can you post how you got the Dust Bucket to fit, I have the have router table.  The support bracket and levers are in the way.  How did you do the modification?

Well I didn't photograph the setup until after I was done, but basically I realized the same thing you did that the two support brackets and the levelers are in the way of just mounting the dust bucket. The only way to use it is to give yourself a flat surface to mount to. You can do that as simply as mounting a piece of plywood to the underside of the frame, but I didn't want to see it. So what I did was cut the plywood to fit inside the frame with a hole the size of the top of the dust bucket and notched corners for the bolts, and I inserted the panel into 3 sides of the uppers u shaped frame before I installed the last piece of frame and the last two legs. Then I stuffed foam inside to fill the void, screwed the plywood to the frame, and used HVAC tape along the seams to make it airtight. It took a bit though before I worked out the assembly, but it works great.
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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2012, 12:25 PM »

Very much enjoying watching your build!

Cheers,
Steve
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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2012, 02:45 PM »

Just found this thread.  Like what you'vedone.  You're a hard workin' clever fellow.  Thanks for sharing.

Have you got that trench filled yet?  Install a smoke detector in your shop wired with one in the house.  I did this for mine.  My thinking was for two situations.  An oily rag that spontaneously combusts, or the errant metallic object that gets sucked into your DC and sparks a slow smoldering fire in your collection bag that finally catches after you've left the shop.  Of course a fire extinguisher in the shop is a must as well.

Here's a reply I received from a firefighter/friend/woodworker/PT contractor a few years ago in regards to what extinguisher(s) you may want to consider for a shop:

As for the extinguishers, a wood shop usually has need for an "A" (water based) extinguisher for obvious reasons. This however will not deal with the charged electrical conditions you could potentially come across with tools. It also doesn't deal with solvents and paints if you refinish in the area.

My opinion, 2 extinguishers is what you require. If you have a wood, paper or cloth type fire you should have a minimum of a 10A rated extinguisher. A manual hand pump type is great for this (bigger the better...10 litre?).
The second extinguisher should be a CO2 extinguisher (10BC). This will deal with most liquid type (paint, solvent and oil) fires and electrically charged equipment. It leaves no residue and won't harm the equipment.

If you decide to go with a multi-purpose extinguisher (5A10BC,etc.), it will work fine but leaves an awful mess because of its residue. I don't recommend it for this reason


Another safety item I like is an emergency light that is wired to your electrical to come on when there's a power failure.  The thought of being in pitch black at certain tasks in a shop is a scary one imo.
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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2012, 04:45 PM »

Just found this thread.  Like what you'vedone.  You're a hard workin' clever fellow.  Thanks for sharing.

Have you got that trench filled yet?  Install a smoke detector in your shop wired with one in the house.  I did this for mine.  My thinking was for two situations.  An oily rag that spontaneously combusts, or the errant metallic object that gets sucked into your DC and sparks a slow smoldering fire in your collection bag that finally catches after you've left the shop.  Of course a fire extinguisher in the shop is a must as well.

Here's a reply I received from a firefighter/friend/woodworker/PT contractor a few years ago in regards to what extinguisher(s) you may want to consider for a shop:

As for the extinguishers, a wood shop usually has need for an "A" (water based) extinguisher for obvious reasons. This however will not deal with the charged electrical conditions you could potentially come across with tools. It also doesn't deal with solvents and paints if you refinish in the area.

My opinion, 2 extinguishers is what you require. If you have a wood, paper or cloth type fire you should have a minimum of a 10A rated extinguisher. A manual hand pump type is great for this (bigger the better...10 litre?).
The second extinguisher should be a CO2 extinguisher (10BC). This will deal with most liquid type (paint, solvent and oil) fires and electrically charged equipment. It leaves no residue and won't harm the equipment.

If you decide to go with a multi-purpose extinguisher (5A10BC,etc.), it will work fine but leaves an awful mess because of its residue. I don't recommend it for this reason


Another safety item I like is an emergency light that is wired to your electrical to come on when there's a power failure.  The thought of being in pitch black at certain tasks in a shop is a scary one imo.

Well I didn't do a hardwire, but I did have ADT add a heat detector & a alarm sensor on the door out there. I went with a heat detector so that I wouldn't have to deal with false alarms caused by dust in the air. I actually already wired in for two direct wire lithonia emergency lights, I didn't like the idea of a spinning blade in the dark either. I get frequent outages here and have a few emergency lights in the house already. I haven't picked a fire extinguisher yet, or prepared a first aid kit, but I did have a friend give me an old eyewash station for the shop. I was 't even really thinking about what type of fire extinguisher haha.

Very much enjoying watching your build!

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Steve

Glad your enjoying it, I'll just be glad to finish at this point. But I'm already thinking about some projects to start once I've gotten situated in the new space.
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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2012, 10:25 AM »

The Trion gets mixed reviews from members, but it does have an almost bullet proof drivetrain I have been told by those who really know (the guys who repair them).

Happy shopping!

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« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2012, 10:26 AM »

Michael E,  A lot of work  A great job.
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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2012, 03:51 PM »

Sorry this set took so long. We've been having a heatwave here, and on top of that I was without power for a week and a half, so things got a bit delayed. This set of photos mostly shows the priming and the painting, but there are some good shots of the installed Bose in-ceiling speakers, and of the first four of the six light fixtures installed. It's time to get myself back to work though. I've got a little trim to paint, two more lights to put up, the pegboard, the floor, and the heavy weight hanging bars, and then I can starts the process of moving my tools up and out of the basement while I do the finishing touches.





































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« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2012, 08:26 PM »

Here is the most recent set of photos. In this you can see all six overhead light fixtures installed as well as a couple of night shots showing off how much light they cast. Then the photos go into the installation of the clear pegboard, the black accent pegboard, and the Rubbermaid FastTrack Bar around the whole shop. The black pegboard had a thousand cuts to make, and it took the better part of a day to put up, but I really like the affect it adds.










































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« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2012, 09:08 PM »

Michael -

Wow, what a transformation!  Shop is looking great.

Who makes the pegboard?

 What are the overall interior shop dimensions?

Thanks for sharing -

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