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How Much Did You Spend on Your FIRST Festool Tool Purchase (total of all tools in the purchase)?

Under $100
$100 - $200
$200 - $300
$300 - $400
$400 - $500
$500 - $600
$600 - $700
$700 - $800
$800 - $900
$900 - $1000
$1000 - $1100
$1100 - $1200
$1200 - $1300
$1300 - $1400
$1400 - $1500
$1500 - $1600
$1600 - $1700
$1700 - $1800
$1800 - $1900
$1900 - $2000
Over $2000

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Offline Matthew Schenker

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Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« on: June 26, 2008, 01:05 PM »
Everyone,
This poll will help me understand members and make decisions about the forum to better benefit everyone!  Since the forum is separate and independent of Festool, this kind of information must come from members.  The information is anonymous, of course.

Please, kindly take a moment and vote for one of the amounts shown above.  I greatly appreciate everyone's input here.

Following polls will ask about your SECOND and THIRD purchases.

As always, feel free to post questions and comments below.

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Matthew
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Offline Matthew Schenker

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2008, 09:16 AM »
Good Morning,
Thank you everyone for your responses so far!  I've received several notes from members asking for voting options beyond $1500.  I have added a few more.

Everyone who voted for the "Over $1500" in the original poll, please edit your vote to be more specific!

Thank you again!  This information is extremely valuable.

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Matthew
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Offline Matthew Schenker

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2008, 08:49 AM »
Everyone,
I just edited the poll question slightly, to clarify the question.  I'm interested in major purchases, meaning tools or tools and consumables together.  The poll is not looking for how much you spend on incidentals like sandpaper.

If you need to, please change your votre to reflect this change!

Thanks,
Matthew
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Offline Bill Wyko

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2008, 10:36 PM »
After my BIL bought the TS-55 I tried it. At that point I was hooked. Of course I had to get the TS-75. Wouldn't want to copy him. ;D
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Offline jatt

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2008, 05:55 AM »
Must admit I havent used the TS55 saw yet.  Hopefully next week I will be cutting up some formply.  Got two 1400 mm guides cause the longest cut I will need to do is 2400 mm (8 feet).  Recon I will get a neater cut than the currrent method I'm now using. 

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2008, 02:37 PM »
Our First Festool purchase was a second hand 55 (dont remember the exact pre-cursur) skill saw with one rail.

Offline gearup75

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2009, 03:57 AM »
First tool....cordless drill with all the chucks.  Was a mistake, now I"m hooked on Festool
C12  TS55  OF1400  DF500  CT22  DS400 RO150  MFT3 with Pinnacle router table insert and fence

Offline Wim

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2009, 06:24 PM »
My first purchase was a TS55 with a CMS table and a fence. No CT yet, so I was sometimes ankle deep in sawdust. It was not my last Festool. Total price around $1750.

Offline Matthew Schenker

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2009, 06:30 PM »
Good Afternoon,
Thanks for those of you who have participated in this poll, as well as the two related polls (which can be found right here, and also right here).

It's interesting to see the unfolding results of these polls and to consider what it means.

Thanks again,
Matthew
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Offline Rob McGilp

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2009, 04:10 AM »
Two OF2000's

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2009, 03:08 PM »
...It's interesting to see the unfolding results of these polls and to consider what it means...

Matthew - In looking at the poll results nothing jumps out.  The amounts spent are widely distributed across the three poll ranges.  I'm not sure what conclusions to draw.  Please share your thoughts with us.  Thanks.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2009, 03:10 PM by Daviddubya »
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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2009, 05:10 PM »
How do you see the results, David?
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Offline Daviddubya

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2009, 05:26 PM »
How do you see the results, David?

Tom - As I said, I saw nothing that jumps out, and do not know what conclusions to draw.  The data says nothing specific to me.  It looks like a wide distribution of people spending a wide distrubution of money, and all three polls have similar results.  I was asking what Matthew meant when he said, "It's interesting to see the unfolding results of these polls and to consider what it means."  NBD.
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Offline Steve-CO

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2009, 05:27 PM »
I'd like to know what the heck you would buy for < $100 as your 1st purchase.  Router bit, clamp, sandpaper?

Offline dsh

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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2009, 06:37 PM »
Ok my first was $400 - $500.  What about my second at $1000, my third at $500, etc purchases?  You know the festool bug.

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2009, 07:11 PM »
David, or anyone:

I know this probably seems stupid but I was wondering how one sees the data as a result of this or any other poll. I'm not seeing it and probably because I don't know where to look.


Thanks in advance,

Tom
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Offline Steve-CO

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2009, 09:06 PM »
David, or anyone:

I know this probably seems stupid but I was wondering how one sees the data as a result of this or any other poll. I'm not seeing it and probably because I don't know where to look.


Thanks in advance,

Tom

What I see is that approx 50% of the 1st time purchases were b/w $400-$1K, which if I had to guess is a vac + 1 tool. No real surprise there. 12% of the 1st timers purchased more than $2K. What isn't known is if these large purchases were by pros or hobbyists, which would be worth knowing as a dealer.  You really need a bit more info to come to any meaningful conclusions.  As a dealer I think you would rather want to know what specific tools were purchased 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc, vs how much was spent.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2009, 09:07 PM by Steve-CO »

Offline gearup75

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2009, 09:54 PM »
     1st tool....C12 drill with all the chucks....525 if I remember....24 hours later...T55 saw with CT22...OF1400 router...MFT3 table....you know the prices :D  Within 7 days...add the Domino set...domino assortment....RO150 sander...DTS400 sander and ETS 150/3 sander.
Now the only tools I don't own are the Kapex...the jigsaw and the planer, all of which will probably be in the arsenal before summer the way its going. 
     I am not a pro woodworker.  I have worked with metal  or humans all my life.   I am now enjoying wood working more then I had ever anticipated.  I don't think it would have been possible without the quality of Festool and this board for that matter.  The wife does not know what I spent on the equipment, nor does she bother to ask knowing of my previous Snap On tool habit, which seems to have been replaced by Festool:D  She even likes what I have done so far as to commision me to build things for her ;D
C12  TS55  OF1400  DF500  CT22  DS400 RO150  MFT3 with Pinnacle router table insert and fence

Offline Matthew Schenker

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2009, 09:27 AM »
Matthew - In looking at the poll results nothing jumps out.  The amounts spent are widely distributed across the three poll ranges.  I'm not sure what conclusions to draw.  Please share your thoughts with us.  Thanks.

I have always just been interested in statistics of group activities.  It's always been interesting to me to get to know the people in the group -- in this case what we build and how we like the tools -- as well as the numbers behind the personal stuff.

To get the really large picture, of course, we need comments behind the statistics.

For me, it's just one more dimension of what the forum is all about: getting to know more about the group we have.

Thanks,
Matthew
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Offline richard.selwyn

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2009, 04:35 PM »
My first purchase was the old AFT 55 or whatever saw and a 1400mm guide rail about 10 years ago.  I think I can say without exaggeration that it changed my life.  I'm now broke  ;) ;) (too many (Fes)tools) but have changed jobs to become a professional (I'm not sure I will ever merit that term) woodworker thanks in a large part to that saw.  Other than a Striebig panel saw or a table saw with a huge slider (my Austrian Felder saw only has a 2-metre slider) there's nothing that can compete for cutting down panels.  Discovering Festool was certainly the start on a slippery green slope but was also an eye opener.  The quality of their dust extraction has made working with MDF, if not a pleasure, at least a daily reality.   Discovering this forum was also the first time I had ever communicated in such a way - a real eye opener as well.  Thank you Festool and thank you FOG.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2009, 04:40 PM by richard.selwyn »

Offline johnvelazquez

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2009, 10:30 AM »
my first purchase was long thought out and well worth the wait! Ct33, TS55, rotex 125, OF1400, 2 x MFT 1080, domino with cutter kit, RTS 400, FS 2700 & 1400, sytainers for both sandpapers & screw bin, 2 dollys, Trion barrel grip jigsaw. I was instantly addicted and been purchasing smaller add ons ever since. I will post photos of my shop shortly.

Offline Alex

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2009, 07:40 PM »
The Rotex 150 FEQ.

I wanted the 125 because I thought that would be enough for my needs and 125 size sanding paper is cheaper and better available than 150 size. Turned out God or fate wanted me to have the 150 because I got a deal on it that was too good to let go. Really, half price on a machine that was only used for 3 days on one single project.

I was immediately impressed by the power of the rotary action of this machine. This made work so easy. I was equally impressed by the excellent dust collection. And as a result of that, the long time the paper lasts. I have worked with many different brands and types of sanding machines but none of them made it so easy and clean as this one.

Best sander ever!

So this machine got me hooked on Festool right away, and as it stands for now, at least for sanders, I'm not considering any other brand any more.

Only thing I don't like now, is the terrible availability of Festool sanding media.
« Last Edit: August 12, 2013, 02:43 AM by Alex »

Offline clev1066

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2009, 03:09 AM »
My first purchase was the TS75.

I had been using the EZ Smart rails on a Porter Cable 325mag with pretty good results; but the dust collection was lacking and I liked my PC free of the base for framing and rough use.

I didn't fall in love with the 75, and actually returned it within a week. I got the TS55 and have loved it ever since. I initially used it with a Ridgid w/d and a Mr. Nozzle hose. It worked quite well.

As you all know, it doesn't take long to add to the madness. I got very lucky on a used deal to get a ct22 and an OF 1000, but the router doesn't have the rail stops, steel bars, or edge guide. I also picked up an MFT1080 on closeout. I paid retail for a ETS 150/5, and it hasn't hurt my feelings a bit.

I'm torn over what is next. Most likely the Domino, but I keep eyeing the OF 1400.

I like my OF 1000, but without the rails stops and bars, it really only sees roundover  and edge trim duty. In that regard, it isn't much handier than my Bosch kits. OTOH, I could easily see the OF 1400 used with the tracks getting me off the table saw for dado and rabbet cuts.

Then the Domino.... I could see it changing the way I do a lot of things: from traditional mortise and tennon joinery to reducing, and in part replacing, pocket hole screws. Heck, I can think of two projects I gotta get done before the end off summer that I could finish in literally 1/4 the time with a Domino.
TS55, CT22, Rotex 150, ETS 150/5, Domino, OF1400, OF1000, MFT1080, MFT/3.

Offline hrsm3

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2009, 03:40 PM »

My Very First Purchase was for ?3500 My Second was for ?2600 and to date have not used them due to in the process of building new workshop
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Offline Frank Drebin

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2010, 03:29 PM »

I didn't fall in love with the 75, and actually returned it within a week. I got the TS55 and have loved it ever since. I initially used it with a Ridgid w/d and a Mr. Nozzle hose. It worked quite well.



Mind sharing why?  Is the 75 too big/heavy for everyday use?

I haven't bought a single festool tool yet.  Honestly I just discovered the Kreg pocket screw system a couple of weeks ago and have since got the woodworking bug.  I've made some hybrid cabinets/shelves for my garage using a circular and a 4' level as a fence, held together by pocket screws and lots of glue.  Nothing to look at but do the trick.  My house is low on storage and I now see quite a few places where I could stick some storage cabinets.  I would like to try my hand at some cabinets for inside the house that acutally look decent, so I will definitely look into the proper tools.  I don't have a lot of room in my garage (20'X24', + a car and a Truck) to build a shop either so that is definitely an issue when it comes to getting a track saw over an expensive table saw.

Likely my first purchase will be the TS55 or 75, depending on user feedback for my application, and the domino joiner.  I have neither the financial means nor can I justify spending that type of money on my skillset to be a strictly festool guy.  I've got a decent collection of yellow cordless tools and a makita LS1016L miter saw, which will have to work for now.

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2010, 03:49 PM »
Funny, that is the exact opposite of what I thought and did.

The TS55 is underpowered and I can't stand a 500.00 saw bogging down or even completely stopping.

I can zip through 2" Wenge, Brazilian Cherry, Ipe, etc with the TS 75, can't do it with a TS 55. I guess I just am in a hurry all the time.

If all you are cutting is 3/4" ply the 55 is fine. I would rather have the 75 or one of each, but just a 55 can't handle everything I throw at my saws everyday.

For me the weight is irrelevant. The saw sits on the rail, the weight is nothing like holding a skill 77 worm drive free hand off your foot. Man that worm drive used to hurt my wrists.

You have to find a way to get a CT and a sander at least a 150/5, preferably a 150/3 and a Rotex. Sanding becomes fun once you get the Festool sanders so put it high on your list. I would not rule out putting the sanders above the saw purchase, actually I did. The sanders and dust collection is what really made my work more enjoyable much more than the TS saws.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2010, 03:58 PM by nickao »
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Offline Frank Drebin

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« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2010, 10:13 PM »
Funny, that is the exact opposite of what I thought and did.

The TS55 is underpowered and I can't stand a 500.00 saw bogging down or even completely stopping.

I can zip through 2" Wenge, Brazilian Cherry, Ipe, etc with the TS 75, can't do it with a TS 55. I guess I just am in a hurry all the time.

If all you are cutting is 3/4" ply the 55 is fine. I would rather have the 75 or one of each, but just a 55 can't handle everything I throw at my saws everyday.

For me the weight is irrelevant. The saw sits on the rail, the weight is nothing like holding a skill 77 worm drive free hand off your foot. Man that worm drive used to hurt my wrists.

You have to find a way to get a CT and a sander at least a 150/5, preferably a 150/3 and a Rotex. Sanding becomes fun once you get the Festool sanders so put it high on your list. I would not rule out putting the sanders above the saw purchase, actually I did. The sanders and dust collection is what really made my work more enjoyable much more than the TS saws.

What exactly makes a sander better than another, aside from the dust collection?  Thanks for the advice on the 75, seems to be more of a future proof saw.
Sorry for the extremely newb questions, just trying to learn as much as I can.

Offline pnwradar

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2010, 02:23 PM »
What I see is that approx 50% of the 1st time purchases were b/w $400-$1K, which if I had to guess is a vac + 1 tool. No real surprise there. 12% of the 1st timers purchased more than $2K. What isn't known is if these large purchases were by pros or hobbyists, which would be worth knowing as a dealer.  You really need a bit more info to come to any meaningful conclusions.  As a dealer I think you would rather want to know what specific tools were purchased 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc, vs how much was spent.

As a hobbyist, I thought Festool were pretty cool, but couldn't ever justify the upfront cost, especially when I already had a Skilsaw, some cheap RO sanders, etc. to get stuff done.   If I made too much dust in the shop, I just left and did something else until it settled and could be shop-vac'd.  A few years ago, I did talk myself into spending a bonus check on a Cleavue cyclone and a truckload of metal 6" ducting to hook up all the stationary tools, but just didn't worry about the sanding or benchtop power tool work.

When I started getting paid for my woodworking, and began spending whole days in the woodshop to meet schedules, justifying the ergonomics and dust collection became a little easier.  One drizzly day I had to section a whole sheet of veneered 3/4" MDF into 13" squares with my Skilsaw and homemade rail jig, and the rain meant I couldn't work outdoors on sawhorses.  Halfway through that horrible task, I went up to the house (well, the wife made me keep my dust-covered carcass out on the porch) to order a TS-55 and CT-33.  After a glass of iced tea and a phone chat with the dealer, I had added a 1400 router, a 150/3 sander, and the CT boom arm to my first order, along with a variety of consumables (sandpaper, CT bags, etc.) -- pretty much everything I needed for benchtop flatwork, even if the final pricetag did made me choke a little on the iced tea.  Having used them now for about two months, I couldn't be happier.  As a side benefit, visiting hobby woodworkers have nearly all remarked they can see I'm a pro/serious woodworker from the systainers (funny, but I suppose a little bit truthful).

-jon-
« Last Edit: August 18, 2010, 02:25 PM by pnwradar »

Offline Kevin D.

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2010, 07:50 PM »
1st. time 3K,2nd purchase over 4K.  Third just under 3K.  All since last fall.
Kapex, CT36AC, TS75, MFT 1080, MF-SYS/2, PS300 EQ-Plus, Parallel Guides Set, LR32 SYS, RO 150FEQ-Plus, OF1400 EQ Plus, DOMINO 500 Q-Plus,  MFK 700 EQ-Set, FS-SYS/2, CT22 w/hose storage, D36HW-RS-Plus, FS 1900/2, FS 3000/2, FS 1080/2-LR32, FS 1400/2-LR32, Gecko, Festool Hat, Festool T-Shirt (2), Festool Floor Mat, Festool Stein, Multi-Tool, tape measure, large and small Festool floor mats (foam rubber).

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Re: Your Festool Purchases (FIRST Purchase Only)
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2010, 09:50 PM »
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What exactly makes a sander better than another, aside from the dust collection?

That's a good question...

We could start by the ease of use, which includes things like:
  • Quick abrasive changes so you don't waste time "going through the grits". This saves time two ways - you don't waste time changing abrasives and the whole job takes less time because you didn't skip grits.
  • Quick pad changes that allow you to move about a task or work piece with ease and always have the proper pad.
  • Cleaner work piece because of proper airflow through the pads and the abrasives.
  • Cleaner work place because of proper airflow through the pads and the abrasives.
  • Cleaner lungs because of proper airflow through the pads and the abrasives.
  • Non-tingling hands, wrists, and forearms because of properly balanced tools. Depending on what you use your hands for after the task, it makes a real difference.

These and other things add up to a better, longer lasting tool. Better means that it works better as a machine and feels better.

Machines last longer if they feel better for a reason and the reason isn't based on marketing, but usage. There are a lot of companies that base their strategies on marketing and not utility. Some of them have perfectly good, utilitarian products but have been led astray by "Marketing Geniuses", especially in our recent, tough economy.

You mention proper dust collection as if it is marginal. It isn't. It is an essential part of the value of the Festool system.


I can go on and on...

I'm going to stop now and let you fill in the blanks.


Tom
« Last Edit: August 19, 2010, 05:00 AM by Tom Bellemare »
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