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What exactly makes a sander better than another, aside from the dust collection? That's a good question... We could start by the ease of use, which includes things like: - Quick abrasive changes so you don't waste time "going through the grits". This saves time two ways - you don't waste time changing abrasives and the whole job takes less time because you didn't skip grits.
- Quick pad changes that allow you to move about a task or work piece with ease and always have the proper pad.
- Cleaner work piece because of proper airflow through the pads and the abrasives.
- Cleaner work place because of proper airflow through the pads and the abrasives.
- Cleaner lungs because of proper airflow through the pads and the abrasives.
- Non-tingling hands, wrists, and forearms because of properly balanced tools. Depending on what you use your hands for after the task, it makes a real difference.
This and other things add up to a better, longer lasting tool. Better means that it works better as a machine and feels better. This also causes machines to last longer if the better feel factor isn't achieved by soft spots that absorb the other problems but by more balance and higher tolerances. Festool machines are not compromised of "soft spots". You mention proper dust collection as if it is marginal. It isn't. It is an essential part of the value of the Festool system. I can go on and on... I'm going to stop now and let you fill in the blanks. Tom Tom, I really like item 3 and 4 in your post above.  Also, I never liked sanding before I owned my first Festool sander. Now, I always seem to have a smile on my face as I sand.  |
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« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2010, 08:24 AM » |
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What exactly makes a sander better than another, aside from the dust collection? That's a good question... We could start by the ease of use, which includes things like: - Quick abrasive changes so you don't waste time "going through the grits". This saves time two ways - you don't waste time changing abrasives and the whole job takes less time because you didn't skip grits.
- Quick pad changes that allow you to move about a task or work piece with ease and always have the proper pad.
- Cleaner work piece because of proper airflow through the pads and the abrasives.
- Cleaner work place because of proper airflow through the pads and the abrasives.
- Cleaner lungs because of proper airflow through the pads and the abrasives.
- Non-tingling hands, wrists, and forearms because of properly balanced tools. Depending on what you use your hands for after the task, it makes a real difference.
These and other things add up to a better, longer lasting tool. Better means that it works better as a machine and feels better. Machines last longer if they feel better for a reason and the reason isn't based on marketing, but usage. There are a lot of companies that base their strategies on marketing and not utility. Some of them have perfectly good, utilitarian products but have been led astray by "Marketing Geniuses", especially in our recent, tough economy. You mention proper dust collection as if it is marginal. It isn't. It is an essential part of the value of the Festool system. I can go on and on... I'm going to stop now and let you fill in the blanks. Tom Thanks Tom, makes a lot of sense. |
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« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2010, 11:29 AM » |
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Thanks, Corwin and Frank. I edited it slightly, Corwin. I think the last part makes a little more sense now.
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First Post! I've been lurking around here for quite a while and thought this would be an appropriate place to make my introduction as I recently sold the farm to become a Festool junkie. I dropped a chunk of cash on a TS 75, OB 1400, MFT/3, and mfs 400. I concure with what almost everyone else says around here. Once you go Festool, you don't go back. My first purchase wasn't an impulse. I have been a hobby-ist woodworker for several years and have an addiction to building speakers. It is a pretty precise sort of woodworking for which I used a tablesaw, chop saw, router, etc... The problem is that I live in a townhome with a basement for a shop and these large tools, with their lackluster dust collection became a much bigger issue when my daughter was born. Before I bought any of my big saws I remember looking at Festool and wondering how anyone could justify paying so much for such diminutive looking tools. If I had only known then what I know now... I sold my saws, scrounged for some extra cash and now feel like I can accomplish just about anything. But, like everyone else, I spend 1/3 of my time planning, 1/3 working, 1/3 dreaming about how to afford a domino. One caveat: I love Festool, but don't ever ask me to part with my Fien Multitool and dust extractor (though I would like a CT 36 when it arrives). And, when it comes to the sander discussion in this thread, I can't wait to get my hands on a Festool sanding system. I use a Rigid right now. Used to use a Craftsman (threw it in the trash this morning). I can't wait to sand without that annoying numbness. Nice to meet you all  |
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« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2010, 04:55 PM » |
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Netcastle,  to the forum. You can relax now that thou art a lurker no more. There have been several threads over the years from speaker builders and hopefully you can add to them! There are many Multimaster fans here - myself included. The Domino is cool! Dustless sanding will permanently send you over the edge and you will never be able to go into the big box stores and look at tools in the same way you did before! Tread carefully my friend, and we are here to help you in any way we can. Don't be bashful! Peter |
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The tools in my truck were talking the other day. The Dewalts, PC's, Boschs, Makitas were not happy. They also were in the minority. Their complaint: They felt unused and unappreciated since the Festools moved in. I guess the truth hurts.
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« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2010, 05:11 PM » |
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I sold my saws, scrounged for some extra cash and now feel like I can accomplish just about anything. But, like everyone else, I spend 1/3 of my time planning, 1/3 working, 1/3 dreaming about how to afford a domino.
Welcome netcastle! Dunno if you have time or cash right now, but you should take a close look at the Milwaukee craigslist. Search for Festool...  Specifically here: http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tls/1911513298.htmlYou're juuust in range that the drive might be worth the savings. There are also some sanders on there... The Festool sanders really are the absolute cream of the crop. If you value your lungs and your work.. well, you're here now. You don't need convincing.  |
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« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2010, 05:53 PM » |
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I sold my saws, scrounged for some extra cash and now feel like I can accomplish just about anything. But, like everyone else, I spend 1/3 of my time planning, 1/3 working, 1/3 dreaming about how to afford a domino.
Welcome netcastle! Dunno if you have time or cash right now, but you should take a close look at the Milwaukee craigslist. Search for Festool... Specifically here: http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tls/1911513298.htmlYou're juuust in range that the drive might be worth the savings. There are also some sanders on there... The Festool sanders really are the absolute cream of the crop. If you value your lungs and your work.. well, you're here now. You don't need convincing. I might go there! Then I'll have to start posting in the second purchase thread.
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« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2010, 09:05 AM » |
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My first purchase was a mft/3 and the 55. I am currently setting it up
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« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2010, 10:01 AM » |
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Clyde, I hope you enjoy your new toys tools! to the FOG! Peter |
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« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2010, 05:44 PM » |
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First Festool purchase was the ETS125. While I was considering returining it for one of it's bigger brothers, I decided to hang on to the little guy just because it is such an easy sander to use.
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« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2010, 04:26 PM » |
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My first was the ct33e and the domino when it came out. It was built into the cost of the project. Of course that was a lot of $$'s ago.
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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2010, 09:52 PM » |
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ts 75 and clamps , more track . need a sponcership program for the pro
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1st - TS55 with 2 55" rails and the CT22
2nd - LR32 kit with 2 55" rails and the 1010 kit
3rd - MFK700 kit
4th - MFT/3 with elements and quick clamps. Extension table modified for use with the MFT/3
5th - RO150 used
6th - 150/5 (amazing) with the ETS 125 and various systainers
7th - Domino kit with assortment systainer
Probably something I'm forgetting.
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« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2010, 04:02 PM » |
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1st purchase:
TS55 / MFT 1080 / CT 22 / clamps
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« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2010, 05:14 PM » |
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Domino Jointer.When I first saw the price i laughed and said NEVER!And then a year or so later with my pocket full of tax return money I bit the bullet and got it.Best purchase ever!And I discovered the value of premium quality tools.Now I own the 1010 eq,the 1400 eq,the 22CT with the cleaning kit, and the domino.Next up will be a TS 55 with a few rails and then maybe the parallel guides.Need some $ first though.
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I've lurked for a little while...I'll tell my Festool story, because it is a bit accidental. 2 years ago we just started doing up another house. As I screwed down the floor boards of the last one, I promised myself a decent box of bits for the DeWalt cordless I was using. I saw the Centrotec set, and for some reason I bought it - it was on special offer (about £210 as I recall) and I thought, "stuff it, I've earned a decent set". So I got home, and found that the chucks didn't fit on my DeWalt. Ha ha. Actually, nothing fitted. I could see it was terribly clever, and I was intrigued. So I bought a C12.  Brilliant combination, and I've used both today for building stud walls. The DeWalt is still going as well, a good drill, very heavy with a crude clutch, but great for countersinking a bazillion holes in floorboards. Once I had the C12, it's all been downhill from there. TS75, rails, RS100 and RS400 sanders, an OF1010...and last week, a Kapex. If my Trend vac explodes (that thing has been through heck and back....), then a CTM36 will be on the list. |
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« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2010, 09:47 PM » |
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R, Welcome to the FOG! Peter |
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« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2010, 10:48 PM » |
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1st - TS55 with 2 55" rails and the CT22
2nd - LR32 kit with 2 55" rails and the 1010 kit
3rd - MFK700 kit
4th - MFT/3 with elements and quick clamps. Extension table modified for use with the MFT/3
5th - RO150 used
6th - 150/5 (amazing) with the ETS 125 and various systainers
7th - Domino kit with assortment systainer. Parallel guides with extensions. Cleaning set. Rail accessory kit
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« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2010, 10:56 PM » |
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Festool is all about dust collection and sanders. First off I got and suggest getting a CT and the Rotex. Then an MFT and boom arm. Then a TS and router. Then a domino and then more and more and more..... in that order.  |
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« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2010, 11:45 PM » |
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Festool is all about dust collection and sanders. First off I got and suggest getting a CT and the Rotex. Then an MFT and boom arm. Then a TS and router. Then a domino and then more and more and more..... in that order. Nick is wise. Go with the flow. Trust in the system.... |
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« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2011, 10:22 PM » |
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Well not technically all first purchases, but I split up my order over 3 separate orders (within 3 weeks) so I could fit it in my wife's car to bring it over the border.
Here it is:
FESTOOL OF1010 EQ ROUTER 574266
FESTOOL OF1400 EQ ROUTER 574267
FESTOOL 6-1/4in CIRCULAR SAW
FESTOOL 491498 guide rail
FESTOOL MFT3 MULTI-FUNCTION TABLE 495462
Festool DF 500 Q Domino Joiner Set
Festool CT 26 E HEPA Dust Extractor 720148
Festool Rotex RO 150 FEQ Dual Mode Random Orbit Sander 6" 720383
Festool Domino Cutter & Tenon Assortment Systainer 720111 1
Festool Pk/5 Splinterguards for TS 55 EQ & TS 75 EQ Plunge Cut Saws 720208 1
Festool Systainer 1 Router Bit 721418 1
Festool 55" Guide Rail for Hole Series 721157 1
Festool Quick Clamp 721137 4
Festool MFT Clamping Elements 721139 2
Festool OF2200 Router 721979 1
Festool 1/4" Collet for OF2200 & OF1400 721958 1
Festool OF2200 Accessory Systainer w/ Metric Guides 721977 1
Festool Parallel Guide 721135 1
Festool 6" Abrasive Assortment Systainer 720785 1
Festool SELFCLEAN Filter Bag for CT 26, Pack of 5 721090
Still waiting for Festool Euro Hole Drilling Systainer Set 721424 1 to come in. I also need to order a long rail.
I am thinking about picking up the RO90 and the Kapex at JLC in a few weeks.
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« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2011, 11:33 PM » |
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Boy Scott you jumped in the green pool quickly!
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« Reply #52 on: March 03, 2011, 09:35 AM » |
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Boy Scott you jumped in the green pool quickly!
I had to replace all my old stuff that was stolen (not festool) so I (well KREG) decided to upgrade! Now I just have to figure out what the heck I am going to do with it, and how to use it! Most will be used for hobby use, not my business. I'm looking forward to clearing my garage out of all the stuff I don't need to make room for this stuff. I am definitely likeing the idea of breaking down sheet goods without a tablesaw! I haven't played with them much, but I must say you can see the quality! scott |
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I had to replace all my old stuff that was stolen .....
...... I am definitely likeing the idea of breaking down sheet goods without a tablesaw!......
scott
Right new Years I had my shed broke into. They stole a lot of tool but NOT my Festool tools, they were in the garage. Breaking down sheet good with out a table saw was one of the reasons I bought Festool products. You can read about all the thing i tried before buying the TS55 and the guide rail, when trying to stay away for a table saw. http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/review-of-festool-guide-rail/ |
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New here, but I just made my first purchase:
MFT3
RO90
TS55
CT26
I'm ready to start tackling a bunch of projects and so far the insights here at FOG have been huge.
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MFT/3
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New here, but I just made my first purchase:
MFT3
RO90
TS55
CT26
I'm ready to start tackling a bunch of projects and so far the insights here at FOG have been huge.
You have the most important starter products the CT26 Vacuum, the TS55 saw and he MFT/3. Now yo need the Parallel guides to start breaking down sheet goods. |
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I'm sitting here on a Friday afternoon with the knowledge that my first Festool purchase is the TS55 EQ and that I should see it delivered by UPS on Monday. Can't wait...
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« Reply #57 on: October 28, 2011, 04:12 PM » |
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Congrats!
Now the fun will begin.
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Life is an endless, toiled endeavor... yet tonight, I yearn for rest.
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Finally made the big step and just got a CT26 and a ETS 125. I originally was going to get the TS55 but that will have to wait until the new year.
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