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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2015, 08:22 AM »
This looks incredibly sharp and well done.  I would really love to see you get some plans together  ;D ;D

Thanks @supimeister - the plans are a work in progress - here's the evolution so far:

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I'm learning that getting a usable, accurate set of plans (that could be used/understood by a 3rd party) involves actually making the thing on the plans and then going back and filling in the blanks afterwards.

This project pushed me over the edge to buy Sketchup Pro, now I am forced to put it to good use to justify the cost.

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2015, 09:35 AM »
Super helpful - thanks for sharing! 

I would likely change one small thing for my own needs.  I want to be able to put my mft/3 on top of an 80/20 base and have it align with another mft/3. So rather than use the 1530 to create an mft/3-esque top, I would just use my mft/3 instead.

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2015, 08:04 PM »
looks great so far, cannot wait to see the finished product.  Love the Komodo Joe as well, I am a BGE man myself.  keep the picks coming. 

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2015, 09:37 PM »
This thread inspired what turned into this creature of a miter saw station...
http://festoolownersgroup.com/member-projects/rmw-inspired-8020-miter-saw-station/


And hopefully I will be able to finish my version of this cart - only I will simply set my mft/3 on top rather than use 1530

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« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2015, 11:13 AM »
@m1sanbo - I had the BGE for 15 years, loved it but when it met it's demise last year (operator error) a crop of new eggs were available and I looked at them all. Fred's Music & BBQ in Shillington PA has the BGE/Joe/Primo so I could see them all side-by-side.

In the end I decided on the Joe mostly because of the new adjustable grates w/ceramic plates and I thought there was a touch better overall quality, but it is close. It didn't hurt that the Joe is about $100 less than the egg, but that was just a bonus. Having used both now I learned the Joe is much easier to reach and hold a low temp on (seals a little better), while the egg is easier to hit a 900 degree sear, and just generally a little better @ grilling.

Here's Joe's country cousin, the latest addition to the fleet, a Pit Barrel Cooker. It followed me home (found it on my doorstep on Friday) & mom let me keep it...

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2 5# chickens split in half yesterday, today there is a 10# brisket waiting to take the plunge  [drooling]. I love springtime! Made-in-America by a vet, 1-Click, 300 bucks, shows up 4 days later and the quality it awesome.

@ivanhoe - hang tight, several tasty brews waiting for today's cook [poke] most likely some of the 2014 crop of Celebration Ale.

@supimeister - nice job on the chop saw cart, but "inspired?"... Aw shucks...

Thanks,

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2015, 04:01 PM »
Richard  - The Pit Barrel videos look good. Are you liking it?

Please let us know?

Ron

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« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2015, 06:46 PM »
Richard  - The Pit Barrel videos look good. Are you liking it?

Please let us know?

Ron

@rvieceli - having trouble controlling the temp and getting the cook time down, most certainly operator error, as the reviews are all glowing.

Today's brisket cooked too fast (170 degrees in 2 hours) so I had to foil it too late (for 1 hour) then rest it for an hour & then tossed it back on to try to give it a bit of sear, overall it was tough and flavorless. Part of it may have been the piece of meat, it was from BJ's and only the flat, not a Prime cut. Looks like it is destined to simmer in some au jus before using the rest for sammiches.

Par for the course with a new smoker. The only other brisket I have done (on a kamado) slow smoked overnight and was a full packer brisket from Amish country, so it does not really compare. That piece of meat had all of us making nummy noises when we sampled it.

The issue I have so far is the instruction on settings are dumbed-down in an attempt to make them foolproof. They tell you @ sea level to set the bottom damper @ 1/4 open, but since it is a circular opening with the cut out as the damper it is hard to tell what is really "1/4 open".

Similar issue yesterday with the chicken but in reverse, they cooked over 3 hours but were still 125 degrees. I started with the damper more closed-down, then tried to raise the temp by opening it up. I finished them off in a 325 degree oven out of frustration. the meat was very moist with a great smokey flavor.

Time will tell, most probably I just need to learn how to use it properly.

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« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2015, 09:05 PM »
Last weekend I set up to start cutting plywood, made one squaring cut and BLAMMO!! the CT hose pulled the TS off the top of the stack of BS I had set it on and it got to take a trip to the Festool day-spa. About $100 later it should be heading home next week.

So instead of finishing the MFT/SYS cart I got a wild hare and decided to add to the fleet:

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This should be a multi-purpose cart, 3-4 drawers with one tall enough to hold the routers and my small spindle sander along with some mounting plates. I plan to add a folding wing that the routers, jig saw and sander can drop into and this will also be my router table, etc. I'm interested in any idea anyone has along those lines for bench-mounting power tools.

The interesting thing is, as I eyeball and estimate how much storage I will get from these 2 carts, it looks like I will be able to lose some of the stationary cabinets.

Off to the ShopBot "camp" tomorrow here in SNJ, whetting the appetite from more CNC tools.

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« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2015, 11:01 PM »
Richard -check out this thread by Scorpion on garagejournal:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174553&page=31

Mini tables start on page 31

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« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2015, 05:30 PM »
Richard -check out this thread by Scorpion on garagejournal:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174553&page=31

Mini tables start on page 31

Thanks Ron. I had seen that thread a while back, probably before those tables were made. IIRC that thread cost me several hours of my life, too many great ideas to absorb in a short time.  [doh]

That is basically what I was looking to do, need to spend some more time reviewing the thread again, there is a lot more to it that when last I looked.

Thanks again.

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2015, 06:45 AM »
Q on the floor locks

Do the floor locks lift the table off the floor or can you put a thicker pad
underneath to prevent it from moving. Are they adjustable?
I'll be making a rolling MFT table and would like to move it around but
also lock it in place, so i'm thinking of using 2 of them 1 for each end.
It should be pretty heavy by the time I finish.

Anyone have experience using them?

Thanks
-Ronnie


Got it on the back.

I was also thinking about the extrusions that hold the under shelf for the milling as well.

You might also want to put some kind of floor locks on.

http://www.globalindustrial.com/c/material-handling/casters/floor-locks
Well Dogey

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« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2015, 09:45 AM »
Q on the floor locks

Do the floor locks lift the table off the floor or can you put a thicker pad
underneath to prevent it from moving. Are they adjustable?
I'll be making a rolling MFT table and would like to move it around but
also lock it in place, so i'm thinking of using 2 of them 1 for each end.
It should be pretty heavy by the time I finish.

Anyone have experience using them?

Thanks
-Ronnie


Got it on the back.

I was also thinking about the extrusions that hold the under shelf for the milling as well.

You might also want to put some kind of floor locks on.

http://www.globalindustrial.com/c/material-handling/casters/floor-locks

Ronnie - I won't be using the floor locks, primarily because there is a threshold my cart has to cross when I roll it outside. The floor locks I have seen/used have minimal clearance under them when raised, I am concerned that they will catch on the threshold.

That said, they are a great idea for use on flat floors. If you only use 2 then the table would still be resting on the casters on the other 2 corners.

I plan on using casters where the lock secures the wheel from rolling and also from pivoting, not all caster locks do this so you have to look for that feature. My hunch is, considering the weight of the loaded cart, that this will be plenty stable for my use. Hand planing is probably the ultimate test, time will tell if the locking casters will suffice.

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2015, 12:54 PM »
Right on... I also have the locks on the wheels on another rolie but
I find myself tap kicking the tabs alot moving around it.
True about the threshold, i might bring my table outside and it
would have to clear .... there goes that idea.  [embarassed]

Then again I could always drop a rod into the floor, like a gate.

Thanks for your reply Rich
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« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2015, 06:57 PM »
any updates on this project?

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« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2015, 09:36 AM »
any updates on this project?

@m1sanbo sadly, no.

I got bushwhacked by some projects the boss considers more important, and spring brings guests to the shore & lots of social stuff.

The next step is to cut the plywood panels and route dadoes for them to slip into the slots in the 80/20. I expect this to require some trial and error to get the fit precise, after that is should be simple to add trays for the Systainers and some drawers. I am updating the plans as I go, by the time the project is done the plans should be complete...

If I can get 2 uninterrupted days in the shop I should be done.

Hope to get back to it over the July 4th weekend. My practice is to run all my errands before the holiday starts then not leave home until the hoards are gone. Ideal time to spend in the shop.

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« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2015, 08:17 PM »
Thanks, I know the feeling, looking forward to finished product

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« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2015, 08:20 PM »
Thanks, I know the feeling, looking forward to finished product

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« Reply #47 on: July 06, 2015, 03:22 AM »
Progress Report:

We had a beautiful weekend at the shore, and as is my habit I ran my errands before the hoards descended upon us and never left the house after Thursday. Time to work on the MFT/Sys Cart!

Photos show it best, here’s the assembled cart waiting for drawers:

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Started with disassembling the frame, leaving the casters loosely attached and making the side panels:

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Testing the fit between the side/rear panels & the shelf/dividers. The shelf rests on the dividers and is screwed to them from the top also:

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Final dry fit & installing the shelf, I thought this would be a 3-handed operation since all 4 corners have to slip in from above (due to the end fastener hardware) but it went surprisingly smooth:

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Assembled the top rails and repeated the maneuver:

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Then flip it on end and start tightening the fasteners from the bottom up:

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Houston, we have a cart…:

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Secured the partitions to the shelf with a couple SPAX screws:

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Day 2 started by designing the tabbed brackets to support the top, and milling them on my little Handibot CNC:

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At this point I was struck by a nap-eleptic seizure (which is why I am updating this at 3 AM); spent the rest of the afternoon in my recliner…

Anyway, the weekend’s results were good. Amazingly (to me) it looks suspiciously like the original design:

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The top got a light coat of OSMO, probably should have coated the other surfaces before assembly but I got too excited so I’ll have to come back and do it the hard way later. I also neglected to route some clamp access openings in the 2nd and 3rd horizontal t-slots so for now I cannot use them for clamping. Hope to attack this in the future, again doing it the hard way.

With completion so close at hand it should prompt me to finish up the Systainer trays and some drawers, so I can finally stop moving stuff out of the way every time I need to work on something.

Hope all my US brethren enjoyed the 4th holiday as much as I did, and everyone else had a good weekend.  [thumbs up]

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #48 on: July 06, 2015, 10:53 AM »
Looks good Richard!

Ron

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« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2015, 10:09 PM »
It's been a while since I made it into the shop, weekends seems to melt away this time of year, but there has been a bit of progress...

TA-DA! A sliding horizontal thingie!!!

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28" slides are a  perfect fit for 2 systainers, it took a little fiddling to get the spacing and offsets just right but I think this nailed it. The front lid easily clears the rear systainer and the rear lid should open fully even when the next set is above it.

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Routed 4mm deep pockets.

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I have mostly Sys 1's/2's & a couple 3's, hope to get 16-18 total in the cart, then use whatever room is leftover at the top for shallow drawers for layout tools. The 28" slides mean I can have drawers long enough for 24" rules and other long, awkward stuff.

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And I got to use my new guide rail T-Square, after a bit of tweaking to get it dead-on square it worked great.

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Set up 2 of these permanently with 1080MM and 800MM rails, really handy for the way I work.

Only stopped working because it hit 9:00 and I don't want to tick off the neighbors, tomorrow looks like a perfect day weather-wise so I aim to wrap this all up.

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« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2015, 02:30 PM »
Love that T-square for the Festool rails.  Who makes that one?

Also, love your build and can't wait for your finished plans to be available as your design is exactly what I have been hoping to do.  Well done!

Jim
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« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2015, 02:55 PM »
Love that T-square for the Festool rails.  Who makes that one?

He does, except he hasn't decided to let us start having it yet.  [crying]
"What you have to do tomorrow, do today.  What you have to do today, do now."  - a wise grandfather who was clearly talking about purchasing Festools

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« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2015, 03:45 PM »
Love that T-square for the Festool rails.  Who makes that one?

He does, except he hasn't decided to let us start having it yet.  [crying]

@live4ever - sorry to be such a tease. I do have a handful of extra ones I had made up but I was not sure they were ready for prime-time until I got to play with it a bit. Hang tight.

@JimReed - thanks, I am planning to go back and revise the plans when I get the cart finished, the funny thing is I had to build the cart to check the plans before I was sure they were right.

All my shop projects this year have gotten bushwhacked by summertime fun, family events or mid-day siestas... not to complain.  [thumbs up]

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« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2015, 09:27 PM »
I love the MFT style bench with the 80/20. I hope to be able to build one when funds allow!

I LOVE my Pit Barrel Cooker too! The PBC is awesome and super easy to cook with!

Keith

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« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2015, 11:10 PM »
I love the MFT style bench with the 80/20. I hope to be able to build one when funds allow!

I LOVE my Pit Barrel Cooker too! The PBC is awesome and super easy to cook with!

Keith

@BigCountry73 - Keith I am tossed on the PBC. The reviews are awesome, and the videos show how easy it should be, but I am struggling to get good results. It really bugs me but I cannot get the cook times consistent and keep fiddling with the lower vent opening. It's more touchy that I expected, and I am not getting the "smoke fog" they advertise. It either seems too cool (no fog) or too hot (cooking too fast).

The last time I did ribs several people commented they were not as good as past efforts, which cooked on the Joe. I hung the ribs for ~4 hours adjusting the vent up/down as the temps seemed to drop/increase, then sauced and hung them again for 20 minutes. They were good but a bit drier than I would like.

I have not cooked on it a lot but for some reason it has just not been working for me. Any tips would be welcome. 

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« Reply #55 on: September 20, 2015, 01:36 PM »
Seems like the past few weeks have been consumed by WORK and the boss insisting we have FUN on the weekends. We have a friendly disagreement as to whether playing in the shop qualifies as FUN, recently her position has prevailed. This weekend I put my foot down and refused to participate in FUN, so there was progress on the router table project which has been percolating for a while.

The table is 600MM square & designed to fit Woodpecker/Kreg inserts (am I the only person who didn't realize they were interchangeable until last week?):

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Lack of space for a dedicated table led to making this as an attachment to the cart. I am planning one more 600MM square cart full of drawers so this will likewise attached to it. Here's the cart as it stands today:

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Next up is making custom-fit trays to hold all the small red squares, dogs, etc., boxes sized for sandpaper to fit on the pullout SYS shelves, & adding fronts/pulls to the shelves.

RMW

PS @TheTrooper thanks for shipping the Woodpecker insert quickly, showed up in time for the weekend project.
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« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2016, 11:28 PM »
So far this winter has been pretty busy, no time to work on the shop project. Hoping to change this, as the weather is incredible (50's today) and the boss is about to head to Florida for a month so I have more time to play.

Most recent additions are a 2' X 4' radiant heat panel (750 watts @ 220V) that is temporarily mounted and (finally!) a simple 80/20 materials cart.

The cart meets my original goal of everything in the shop movable i.e. on casters. Plan to add to it with a partial top covering the 24" high material but leaving the other half open. I have enough clear height in the shop to temporarily store 8' sheets on end, on the cart. 

About ready to insulate and sheath the walls/ceiling, then it should get to be fun.

RMW
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« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2016, 11:15 AM »
Sounds good Richard. Been missing your posts.

Ron

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« Reply #58 on: July 10, 2016, 03:58 PM »
Got back to fiddling with 80/20 carts this weekend and spent some time confusing myself senseless trying to integrate 32mm into the design of a cart. Pretty happy with the end result, I based it in the KISS 32mm system. This cart is going to be home to a big-a##ed printer and supplies:



Printer will go in the top drawer, then 2 shallower drawers for paper rolls and stuff. Leaves the top free for a little CNC mill and maybe the 3D printer.

First change was to use 24mm thick (2 X 12mm ply) panels for the ends so the inside face would be slightly proud of the extrusions and the drawer slides would mount easily.

Also used the KISS 32 convention that side panels must be an increment of 32mm plus 6mm for the top/bottom reveal. Not totally necessary on this project but I have been hankering to learn a 32mm cabinet system and this was an opportunity. In KISS 32 the drawers faces are increments of 32mm minus 3mm, so you end up with a 4.5mm top/bottom reveal and 3mm between drawers.



Figured it would be a lot easier to assemble it upstairs instead of in the shop then lugging it up there, danged near overlooked that one...  [doh]









Total fasteners = 16 screws/clips for the frame and another 12 screws for the casters. Zero brackets, which is what kills you when buying 80/20.

Add in 36' of extrusion, 2/3 sheet of 1/2" and 1/3 sheet 3/4" ply, a little Osmo, casters and some cheap slides, call it $250 total. Still needs something for a top and some drawers, so maybe another $100 to finish it off.

Even after goofing around with the KISS 32mm it only took one workday, spread over 2 days, so with the drawers and top figure 2 days. It's nice to be back working IN the shop rather than ON the shop.

RMW

 

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« Reply #59 on: July 10, 2016, 08:37 PM »
Is that the metric product? Doesn't the Imperial stuff have a groove in the face?