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Offline Holmz

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Re: 96 mm Layout for new work table
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2016, 01:33 AM »
The little guy that buys an Origin for thousands$$ because he gives up after a ridiculous quote for a top with holes drilled in it , is just lazy or ignorant, or both.

A couple of hundred bucks for a top makes everyone happy, and it's not that difficult to find a shop to do it for that.

Even Peter's

I might be lazy AND ignorant...  [eek] Just not stupid enough to drop the $1000.  [big grin]

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Offline Bohdan

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Re: 96 mm Layout for new work table
« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2016, 02:03 AM »

OK Brother I have another question.

What are the pointers in using the LR-32 approach?
Do one row and then do a 'normal' to that? or do you strike a normal line and use spacers to get the rail parallel and do a second row with it falling on "the normal line" (aligned on the column)?

As long as you don't mind some extra holes in your top.

The first requirement is to have an oversize square panel, its size is not critical so keep triming until square.

Then you set the LR32 rail with a stop and run a row of 5 mm holes down both sides with the rail stop at one edge.

Place 2 x 5 mm pins in two oposite stops to line up the rail with the rail stop against the panel and bore your first row of 20 mm holes.

Move the pins to the next set of 5 mm holes etc.

If the extra 5 mm holes upset your OCD trim them off and you have an accurate panel for only a few hours work.

Online Cheese

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Re: 96 mm Layout for
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2016, 02:13 AM »
The little guy that buys an Origin for thousands$$ because he gives up after a ridiculous quote for a top with holes drilled in it , is just lazy or ignorant, or both.

It's all about matching the most expedient fabrication methods for small quantities vs production quantities, sometimes you need that CNC...sometimes you need the Origin. There's a market for both.

Offline Svar

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Re: 96 mm Layout for new work table
« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2016, 03:49 AM »
The little guy that buys an Origin for thousands$$ because he gives up after a ridiculous quote for a top with holes drilled in it , is just lazy or ignorant, or both.
A couple of hundred bucks for a top makes everyone happy, and it's not that difficult to find a shop to do it for that.
Even Peter's gizmo is a more sensible alternative.
It's a strawman fallacy.
Of course, one would not buy a $2K tool to make one MFT top. Hovewer, if you anticipate occasional small unique jobs, $2K for not dealing with production shop is a sensible proposition. I thougth it was pretty obvious from the statement.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2016, 03:54 AM by Svar »

Offline CrazyLarry

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Re: 96 mm Layout for new work table
« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2016, 08:02 AM »
I've made tops using both the LR32 (it works but it's a bit slow, a little wasteful with offcuts and more room for errors) and with the PGS ( simple, fast, accurate, inexpensive)

Unless you already have an LR32 I'd go with the PGS - you can also use it for drilling 96 centered holes in jig bases so they line up on dogs, sometimes quicker and more stable than clamping.

Offline HappyCamper

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Re: 96 mm Layout for new work table
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2016, 05:19 PM »
Glad you chimed in after having tried out both systems.  I ordered the one from Axminster in England ( I'm on Vancouver Island) and it came in about a week if that.  I considered buying all the Festool bits, but while I have a OF1010 router I would have needed the holey rail, plus the router bit, plus the guide plate.  The basic set up would have come to $488, while the Axminster, with an extra bit, came  to $254.  I did wonder if I should have gone that Festool route, but now I am happy I did not given I had no real need for this equipment other than to make an MFT style top.

These are Canadian prices as you can see we are suffering from the low relative value of our dollar.   [sad]

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Re: 96 mm Layout for new work table
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2016, 08:42 PM »
I'm looking for an easier solution...i.e., hire a CNC company to make one (I'd like one that is about 3' x 6').  Anyone in the Chicago area know of a company that would do this?  Ideally I'd like to have them make 5 holes (19.8mm, 19.9, 20.0, 20.1, 20.2) on a test piece and see which one fits my Parf dogs the best.

FastCap is coming out with an option to buy a 3' by 6' plywood top with 20mm holes (as well as an opening for a router).  It's the top they are offering for their Paulk workbench.  It sounds great, but my concerns would be the quality of the plywood and the sizing of the holes (as well as the $180 shipping cost...maybe they will send some to Woodcraft or Berlands House of Tools?)
we have the answer for you - in Chicago, no less.
Go to https://tsoproducts.com/plans-drawings/ and download our free plans and DXF files for our dwg nr 610-192 A  for the 3x6 ft top and send it to eric@bridgewaterstudio.net BRIDGEWATER STUDIO for CNC  machining. They just completed a 4x8 ft top for well under $ 200.oo including material and procurement using phenolic skinned plywood. They used our DXF files on theri CNC router.
email us with questions - we'll have more on our website shortly
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Offline Mr_Mod

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Re: 96 mm Layout for new work table
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2016, 02:38 AM »
It nice that someone has spent their time and resources producing all those drawings on potential worktop sizes, however i found a mistake in all of them. They are all in that old measurement called imperial with no metric insight.

Would there be any chance you could make revisit them and have them with dual measurements?

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Re: 96 mm Layout for new work table
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2016, 08:16 AM »
@Mr_Mod your wish is our command we have added your request to the list of engineering tasks.
DO me a favor: are you planning to use a CNC router or how do you plan to make them?

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