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An 8020 Work Bench
« on: April 10, 2010, 09:24 PM »
Someone was asking about a work bench made from 8020 extrusions. I have just completed my work bench made from them. Here is a picture.



I have the details and lots of pictures posted here at talkFestool. No use posting it twice.  [smile]
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2010, 09:41 PM »
Very nice!!

I read through your post at TalkFestool, but thought it'd be easier to post this here.

I think this is the corner connector you were looking for.  Coincidentally I was cruising 8020's offerings on eBay yesterday and probably looked at 200 items.. remember this as soon as I saw your up-close picture.  There wasn't a lot of info, but here's a linky:
http://cgi.ebay.com/80-20-T-Slot-Aluminum-40-S-Joining-Plates-Lot-BT-10pc_W0QQitemZ330421935577QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4ceeae9dd9

They call it a "40 S Joining Plate".  There weren't any individually on eBay, nor could I find them on their site.  But I'm sure a dealer would know what they are.




What are those tool trays you've got attached?  They look like an "office" tray (true?).  Where are they available from?

If you could estimate, how much did this bench cost you to make (extrusions, MDF, bolts, etc)?

That protractor thing you have on the MFT with pins lining up the holes is pretty neat.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2010, 09:54 PM by Wood_Junkie »

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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2010, 10:09 PM »
That corner connector has the same problem, it closes off the slots and you can't slide anything into the slots.

The tool trays were posted by Bench Dog about a year ago. They can be bought at Walmart for just a couple dollars.  Here is the link.

I've got about $200 in extrusions, $30 for 4 legs, $32 for the MDF top. All the hardware and bolts were spare parts laying around.

I made that protractor about 18 months ago and never found a use for it. I was glad to put it to use and it is very accurate (easy to do when it's 19 inches long).
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2010, 10:49 PM »
I have the details and lots of pictures posted here at talkFestool. No use posting it twice.  [smile]


Actually, I've been unsuccessful trying to join there because what is believed to be blocking twice now by my ISP for the registration confirmation email, and as a result cannot view the pictures you've got over there.   [sad]

Has anybody else had this problem registering at TalkFestool?  My ISP is Bell Sympatico.  I just sent them another "Contact Email" at TF describing this problem, further explaining that I had received the second attempt to receive the confirmation email on my BlackBerry only where they should be showing up on my Desktop PC as well, but the site won't allow me to confirm from the BlackBerry.  Even if I try to forward to my desktop from the BB, it still never arrives. [mad]
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2010, 11:10 PM »
Kevin,
You should be able to see the pictures without registering. It was something that was recently (2 months ago?) changed.

I'm sorry to hear of your problems registering. I will be sure to bring it up with the powers to be over there.  [wink] I'm not sure about your registering problem but I'm sure it will be looked into.
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2010, 12:12 AM »
I have the details and lots of pictures posted here at talkFestool. No use posting it twice.  [smile]


Actually, I've been unsuccessful trying to join there because what is believed to be blocking twice now by my ISP for the registration confirmation email, and as a result cannot view the pictures you've got over there.   [sad]

Has anybody else had this problem registering at TalkFestool?  My ISP is Bell Sympatico.  I just sent them another "Contact Email" at TF describing this problem, further explaining that I had received the second attempt to receive the confirmation email on my BlackBerry only where they should be showing up on my Desktop PC as well, but the site won't allow me to confirm from the BlackBerry.  Even if I try to forward to my desktop from the BB, it still never arrives. [mad]

Kevin,

I haven't seen the email, but...  

Are you saying that you're trying to forward mail from your BlackBerryto to your PC and it's not working?  This sounds like it may be some sort of BlackBerry email problem rather than a registration problem.  

In any case, I activated your account.   Give it a test.  If you're still having problems, shoot me a FOG PM and I'll dig into it.

Regards,

Dan.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2010, 12:39 PM by Dan Clark »

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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2010, 08:04 AM »
Nice work man!

Very timely as I'm just finishing up my 8020-based workbench, I'll post pics soon!

Note that I took a little bit of a different route with mine as I wanted it to be telescoping width-wise so that I could rip full 8' sheet with ttrack to use as parallel guides on either end, and because I didn't care about being able to clamp to the edges. For that reason I used smaller (more importantly: lighter-weight!) extrusion to create an internal frame with the big 1530 stuff on the front and back long rails. Because of this, I didn't have to deal with the corners as you did because my side rails butt into the front/back rails.

Question: any particular real why you went with the 4040 size? I think it's even bigger (and heavier) than the fractional 1515, and heavier than the 1515Lite. My biggest issue with the 8020 is how heavy it is - which seems like overkill in our applications. The new 3030 series is a lot more "spindly" than the older profiles and is very light for the size (obviously will flex more under load, but for this application that's pretty much a non-issue). It also has a 5/16" slot in the top (read: fits Festool clamps) but I don't know if the *internal* size of the slots are big enough to accept the clamps or 5/16 carriage bolts - which can be used with the 1515 series and the 4040. I may get a short piece of 3030 just to play with it.

I will definitely be adding one of those tool holders as I'm notorious for not putting things away and knocking them onto the floor!

Cheers,
CList

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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2010, 08:36 AM »
BTW, I didn't read the thread you mention on making an MFT top, and I've never owned (or even seen) one in person, so I don't know about the spacing, but... I've read several people here mention about using the LR-32 and a 20mm boring bit to make one, and that's the method I've used for mine. It goes pretty quick, but even with the vac going on the router it makes a lot of fine MDF dust. Of course the boring bits aren't cheap, but you don't have to get a festool one, you can find 20mm hinge boring bits for a little as $20.

I've spaced my holes with 4 holes on the LR-32, which = 5.04" what's the spacing on the MFT?

Cheers,
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2010, 08:58 AM »
BTW, I didn't read the thread you mention on making an MFT top, and I've never owned (or even seen) one in person, so I don't know about the spacing, but... I've read several people here mention about using the LR-32 and a 20mm boring bit to make one, and that's the method I've used for mine. It goes pretty quick, but even with the vac going on the router it makes a lot of fine MDF dust. Of course the boring bits aren't cheap, but you don't have to get a festool one, you can find 20mm hinge boring bits for a little as $20.

I've spaced my holes with 4 holes on the LR-32, which = 5.04" what's the spacing on the MFT?

Cheers,
CList

The hole spacing on the MFTs is 96mm on center.  So three LR32 increments.  Based on your measurement you went 4 increments, so you're at 128mm (5.04")

If one can find it, I'd think a 20mm downcut spiral bit would be the way to go...  Keep the top edge nice and crisp.

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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2010, 10:17 AM »
I have the details and lots of pictures posted here at talkFestool. No use posting it twice.  [smile]


Actually, I've been unsuccessful trying to join there because what is believed to be blocking twice now by my ISP for the registration confirmation email, and as a result cannot view the pictures you've got over there.   [sad]

Has anybody else had this problem registering at TalkFestool?  My ISP is Bell Sympatico.  I just sent them another "Contact Email" at TF describing this problem, further explaining that I had received the second attempt to receive the confirmation email on my BlackBerry only where they should be showing up on my Desktop PC as well, but the site won't allow me to confirm from the BlackBerry.  Even if I try to forward to my desktop from the BB, it still never arrives. [mad]

Kevin,

I haven't see the email, but... 

Are you saying that you're trying to forward mail from your BlackBerryto to your PC and it's not working?  This sounds like it may be some sort of BlackBerry email problem rather than a registration problem.   

In any case, I activated your account.   Give a test.  If you're still having problems, shoot me a FOG PM and I'll dig into it.

Regards,

Dan.


Hey that's great Dan.  I just went over to TF, and now I can see the photos as well as be able to post.  Much appreciated.  And just to clarify, it was the Desktop PC that would never render the confirmation email, despite my Blackberry receiving it which the Blackberry should be receiving any emails directed at my email address, of which I only use the one email address for both.

Sorry for the thread stealing, but I really did want to see what Qwas had to show, and I guess I was frustrated that since you had be a member at TF to see the pictures, I thought I'd voice my issue, which is now resolved.  Thanks again Dan. [smile]

Qwas, I really like what you did, and have been formulating ideas on how to modify my 1080 in certain manners, and your work was of interest.  Sorry for the miny thread steal, but I did it also to inform that unless you are a member over at TF, you can't see the images in the posts of your work, and that was part of what I was trying to share as well.  Thanks Qwas.
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2010, 10:31 AM »
BTW, I didn't read the thread you mention on making an MFT top, and I've never owned (or even seen) one in person, so I don't know about the spacing, but... I've read several people here mention about using the LR-32 and a 20mm boring bit to make one, and that's the method I've used for mine. It goes pretty quick, but even with the vac going on the router it makes a lot of fine MDF dust. Of course the boring bits aren't cheap, but you don't have to get a festool one, you can find 20mm hinge boring bits for a little as $20.

I've spaced my holes with 4 holes on the LR-32, which = 5.04" what's the spacing on the MFT?

Cheers,
CList

The hole spacing on the MFTs is 96mm on center.  So three LR32 increments.  Based on your measurement you went 4 increments, so you're at 128mm (5.04")

If one can find it, I'd think a 20mm downcut spiral bit would be the way to go...  Keep the top edge nice and crisp.

I've used Festool's 20mm in my 1400 to make a couple hundred holes and it works great.  The cut is smooth and clean and the bit shows no sign of slowing down.
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2010, 10:36 AM »
Sorry to continue the hi jacking but in case anyone missed it:

Anyone in the world should be able to view images on both the festoolownersgroup and talkfestool without being a member based on changes to their original policies - if there isn't either an unintentional problem, a prescribed prohibition, a computer browser issue, or a viewer security software issue.

Look away at your leisure!

The tools in my truck were talking the other day.  The Dewalts, PC's, Boschs, Makitas were not happy.  They also were in the minority.  Their complaint:  They felt unused and unappreciated since the Festools moved in.  I guess the truth hurts.

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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2010, 11:02 AM »

Question: any particular real why you went with the 4040 size? I think it's even bigger (and heavier) than the fractional 1515, and heavier than the 1515Lite. My biggest issue with the 8020 is how heavy it is - which seems like overkill in our applications. The new 3030 series is a lot more "spindly" than the older profiles and is very light for the size (obviously will flex more under load, but for this application that's pretty much a non-issue). It also has a 5/16" slot in the top (read: fits Festool clamps) but I don't know if the *internal* size of the slots are big enough to accept the clamps or 5/16 carriage bolts - which can be used with the 1515 series and the 4040. I may get a short piece of 3030 just to play with it.

Cheers,
CList

Good question that I should have explained. I wasn't concerned about weight or portability, and wanted a sturdy bench. I would have liked to stay away from the 40 lite series but I never see the standard 40 series on sale. I don't like the looks of the fractional series with all the little grooves in the profile.

Yes, the standard spacing is 96 mm, my MFT measures at 96.2 mm
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2010, 11:05 AM »
Kevin and Peter,

No problem hijacking the thread. I'm glad to see we were able to help someone out.  [big grin]
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2010, 01:08 PM »
Sorry to continue the hi jacking but in case anyone missed it:

Anyone in the world should be able to view images on both the festoolownersgroup and talkfestool without being a member based on changes to their original policies - if there isn't either an unintentional problem, a prescribed prohibition, a computer browser issue, or a viewer security software issue.

Look away at your leisure!

We support Peter 100%.  talkFestool and FestoolOwnersGroup share common policies on this - we are open groups whose primary purpose is to share information and ideas (and maybe a little humor  [smile] ).   It is your choice - visit, join, post, and/or just hang out where you most feel most comfortable.  No walls!

Sorry for further hijacking this thread.

Regards,

Dan.
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2010, 01:33 PM »
I have the details and lots of pictures posted here at talkFestool. No use posting it twice.  [smile]


Actually, I've been unsuccessful trying to join there because what is believed to be blocking twice now by my ISP for the registration confirmation email, and as a result cannot view the pictures you've got over there.   [sad]

Has anybody else had this problem registering at TalkFestool?  My ISP is Bell Sympatico.  I just sent them another "Contact Email" at TF describing this problem, further explaining that I had received the second attempt to receive the confirmation email on my BlackBerry only where they should be showing up on my Desktop PC as well, but the site won't allow me to confirm from the BlackBerry.  Even if I try to forward to my desktop from the BB, it still never arrives. [mad]

I also used Bell Sympatico as my ISP and had no problems registering at TalkFestool (a year or so ago).
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2010, 01:36 PM »
Good job!

I haver had some 8020 extrusions clutering up my storgae space for about 5 years.  Maybe this will motivate me to do something with them.
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2010, 02:12 PM »
I rarely go there, but I couldn't wait to get to WalMart this morning!  Picked up a half-dozen of those hanging mesh trays (couple smalls, couple longer).  I was going to start, tomorrow in fact, making some more add-on boxes and MFT add-ons.  These are certainly a lot simpler and actually more space efficient don't lose space for the thickness of plywood). 

I did some test fitting on my 1080s.  The trays hang quite nicely off the side track profile.  They're just 'hanging", but wouldn't fall off unless you bumped them pretty good.  They do NOT fit on the top lip.  It is about 1/2MM too thick. 

The side profile is a sweet convenience, as you can just hang them in place, without having to slide them down the length of any side.  In other words, the height of the tray's lip is shorter than the space in the MFT profile, so you can just attach it anywhere.  I will probably use a bolt, as they'll be "permanently" attached since I don't move the MFTs.

Thanks Qwas for posting about your bench build, which led to the older thread by Benchdog related to those trays!  I found it funny someone mentioned they would make good Qwas "dog house", as one of the shorter trays is 90% going to be the spot for my Qwas dogs.

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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2010, 03:45 PM »
Glad to help W_J. That's the whole purpose of these forums, to benefit from each other.  [big grin]


W_J, we don't believe you for minute. I know you fairly new but there is a saying around here. It never happened if there's no pictures.  [big grin]
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2010, 09:16 PM »

Question: any particular real why you went with the 4040 size? I think it's even bigger (and heavier) than the fractional 1515, and heavier than the 1515Lite. My biggest issue with the 8020 is how heavy it is - which seems like overkill in our applications. The new 3030 series is a lot more "spindly" than the older profiles and is very light for the size (obviously will flex more under load, but for this application that's pretty much a non-issue). It also has a 5/16" slot in the top (read: fits Festool clamps) but I don't know if the *internal* size of the slots are big enough to accept the clamps or 5/16 carriage bolts - which can be used with the 1515 series and the 4040. I may get a short piece of 3030 just to play with it.

Cheers,
CList

Good question that I should have explained. I wasn't concerned about weight or portability, and wanted a sturdy bench. I would have liked to stay away from the 40 lite series but I never see the standard 40 series on sale. I don't like the looks of the fractional series with all the little grooves in the profile.

Yes, the standard spacing is 96 mm, my MFT measures at 96.2 mm

It was actually my bad for not reading the whole thread on the other forum before posting. Once I saw your desire for low deflection I understood what you were looking for. My design goals have more to do with portability and flexibility than stability, hence my lighter-weight frame (I'm using FatMax saw horses for legs!)

I also agree about the smooth extrusions sides being nicer.... I would go so far as to say sexier. I happened to get lucky with the 8020-Garage-Sale thing and got two 96" 1530 rails in the special "smooth" format, and at reduced price because they had a couple of holes in the side. I think there were only 8 pieces left when I got them about a week ago.

Cheers,
CL

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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2010, 10:20 PM »
That's the way to do it. Just keep watching and keep watching. Some of the 8020-Garage-Sale are listed as a sale but most are not. They are extras (or maybe mistakes) that have been cut to size and/or drilled and tapped. Some of these are not listed as a sale but if you know their prices, you realize there are big savings in these pieces. Don't forget to monitor the "Last Chance" category also.

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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2010, 12:40 PM »
How did you attach the guide rail?  Does it flip up like the original?

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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2010, 01:52 PM »
Good question Scott. I skimmed over it but I used my Rail Dogs on the guide rail all the time (yes, I probably use my own products more than anybody). The only problem is it limits reduces the max cutting width on any table to where the holes are. So I decided to "extend" the holes off the table.



Through using it I discovered a slot work better than a hole. With a slot I can raise and lower the guide rail as one normally does, or slightly raise the rail and then move it to the right out of the way.



I've been using the "Hole Extensions" for over a year now. I like it so much that I've removed the normal guide rail brackets and depend entirely on these.  They are also great when needing to make angle cuts. Loosen one side and the Rail Dog, slide to the correct angle, lock it down, tighten Rail Dog, and I'm ready to cut.  [smile]
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2010, 06:52 PM »
Brilliant!  I don't have a MFT/3 but was on the fence with thew current 10% TS discounts.  The main hang up for me besides price was having to raise and lower the stops for the guide rail for different thicknesses of wood.  You have an easy solution, and I have about 20+ sticks of 8020 ranging from 3x3 (3030) and 1530 (1.5X3") sizes.

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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2010, 06:59 PM »
Just to be clear, the "Hole Extensions" will work with the older MFT, MFT/3, or 8020 profiles.

I have a thread discussing them here on the talkFestool forum. I have done some upgrading since starting that thread but you can ask any questions you have on either forum and I will try to get you the answers.
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2010, 10:33 AM »
Quote
(yes, I probably use my own products more than anybody)

I would hope so! :D
I think the thing about builder-type people is that we can be very picky about our workflows, I'm still new at this Festool stuff so still figuring my workflow out. I've run into a few situations already where some 20mm dogs would be useful so expect an order from me soon!

As for a hinged guide rail (I'll probably do a full write up on my bench in another thread so as to keep this on topic, but since this came up)...
I did a system similar to the MFT's since I have a (removable) fence on one of the long edges, I wanted a way to do a perfectly square  hinge system. I cobbled mine together from a 4" door hinge I had sitting around along with some aluminum stock from McMaster - 4" x 1/4" x 12" plate, 1" x 1/4" angle bracket, etc. Some machine screws and some MDF.  The t-track used for the vertical adjustment is very cheap stuff - also from McMaster. The hinge side is all done and connects to the rails using the rail connectors I got with the Rail Accessory Kit. Simply loosen two screws and it comes off. The other side - the side with the pin that sets in the rail track - I may rework soon to make the up-and-down part all out of aluminum (since I have some more of that 1/4" aluminum plate), but what I've got right now, while not the prettiest thing, works perfectly. Once it's set to square I can raise and lower the guide rail all day and not have to worry about it being square or not.

The black knobs release the sled from the rail-guide and allow horizontal adjustment. The stainless steel thumb-nuts are screwed to 1/4" bolts that go in the t-tracks and release the vertical adjustment. I haven't put a stop-block on the rail with the hinge-sled yet, but I did put one on the other side - you can see it as the block piece of plastic on the left side of the sled. It's obvious from all the extra holes that I made a lot of refinements as I went along! LOL!

Sorry for the blurry pics, these are from my phone...

Cheers,
CList
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2010, 11:48 AM »
I will be interested in seeing your article about the bench. That's a good answer for a hinged a guide rail, nicely done.  [smile]
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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2012, 08:43 PM »
Just saw this from a couple of years ago, will the Festool clamps fit in the slots.  If so, which size?

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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2012, 10:28 PM »
The clamps fit into the slots on the 8020 15, 40 and 45 series extrusions. 15 and 40 are 8mm +/- wide and 45 is 10mm +/-.

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Re: An 8020 Work Bench
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2013, 06:24 PM »
RMW

I have a few questions about 8020, I have never used but am really interested.  I am looking at the 15 series to make a fence for my miter saw station.  My plan was to buy the 1.5" x 3" extrusion, I need to be able to remove the fence so I have room to work.  My plan is to use the 8020, some type of angle bracket connected to the 8020 and then attach to the T Track on the top of my bench.  First do you think this is will create a solid fence?  What bolts are typically used with 8020?  I am planning to use Incra t track or miter track, and if I am correct, that uses 1/4-20.

Thanks
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