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Offline VW MICK

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #60 on: July 23, 2018, 05:48 PM »
@derekcohen

That is so cool. Inspirational


Thanks mick

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Offline ilovesunshine

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #61 on: July 23, 2018, 08:03 PM »
Hey,

This is seriously awesome!! Super impressed!! Well done! Can't wait to see the finished result :-) Best wishes from the UK! :-)

Offline derekcohen

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #62 on: July 23, 2018, 08:30 PM »
Well, I spent late afternoon turning knobs for the chest. I should have done this at the start, but thought it would take too long. In all, it required about 2 hours. They are not quite finished, but enough is done so you get an idea. And your thoughts, as always, are welcomed.

All along, Lynndy has said, "make the knobs in the same colour as the drawers". She wants them to blend in, and after staring at the chest knob-less for so long, I see her point. So they will be finished in oil and wax, as per the carcase and drawer fronts.

The iron knobs are 22mm wide and 21mm high. The new knobs are 18mm wide and 20mm high.



The tenon is 3/8" and long enough to extent through the drawer front and be attached with a wedge from inside.



Some have a little wax to obtain an idea of the final colour.

There are enough here for all the drawers ...



The idea is for the knobs not to dominate ...



Thoughts?

Regards from Perth

Derek

Offline neilc

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #63 on: July 23, 2018, 08:54 PM »
I like the wooden ones better.  Less obvious.  And I think with the base and finish, they will be a better compliment to the hand made nature of the chest.  It's a lot of drawers which means a lot of knobs to compete with the rest of the details.

If you could find smaller black or even an oil rubbed finish in maybe 1/2" to 5/8" diameter those could be nice too. 

Good evolution.  Thanks for sharing the decision process.

Offline CirclDigital

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #64 on: July 24, 2018, 01:53 AM »
Great solution..... such an awesome cabinet deserved better :-)

Offline derekcohen

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #65 on: July 24, 2018, 12:54 PM »
The knobs were completed this evening, and a finish coat of Shellawax applied ...



Regards from Perth

Derek

Offline derekcohen

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Shiplapping the back
« Reply #66 on: July 25, 2018, 10:54 AM »
When you see shavings like this ...



... you know a skew rebate plane is at work.



Shiplapping is the joining of boards using an overlapped rebate. The advantage of this is to allow for movement while presenting an outward solid and sealed surface.



The rebate is on each, but opposite sides of the board. In this case, I have made the rebate 10mm wide. This will allow for an overlap of about 7-8mm.

Here I have made use of sections of Black Walnut that would otherwise be considered offcuts ...



The boards are 6mm thick, and each rebate is just 3mm high ...



Planing take a few minutes with the Veritas Skew Rabbet plane ...



When the carcass was dovetailed together, allowance was made for a rebate all around the rear of the chest. This required that the area close to the pins was left uncut ...



... which can be seen at the corners ..



The waste was now chiselled out ...



The boards could now be cut to length and fitted. The rebate gap between boards was set with a spacer ...



No glue is used as the boards are free to expand into the gap. A single screw holds them close to the overlap ...



Done ...



And no one will see any of this  :)

Regards from Perth

Derek
« Last Edit: July 25, 2018, 10:56 AM by derekcohen »

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #67 on: July 25, 2018, 11:17 AM »
Striking details...including those no one will see. And that's what sets a fine woodworker apart from an average woodworker.

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #68 on: July 25, 2018, 11:42 AM »
Umm.....

Derek.... shouldn't the screws be clocked with the slots vertical, so the dust falls out??

:)

Ok - only kidding, but truth is - I do this....

Sad.


Cheers -

Rob

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #69 on: July 25, 2018, 12:05 PM »
Umm.....

Derek.... shouldn't the screws be clocked with the slots vertical
Snipe


Cheers -

Rob

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Offline derekcohen

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #70 on: July 25, 2018, 12:13 PM »
Umm.....

Derek.... shouldn't the screws be clocked with the slots vertical, so the dust falls out??

:)

Ok - only kidding, but truth is - I do this....

Sad.


Cheers -

Rob


Oh my ....

Heading back to the workshop ... now!

Regards from Perth

Derek

Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #71 on: July 25, 2018, 12:15 PM »
Derek.... shouldn't the screws be clocked with the slots vertical, so the dust falls out??

That is hard to do with brass screws. You risk breaking them when overtightening. A possible solution is using a steel screw with the same dimensions first to establish a uniform hole, remove it and substitute with a brass one.
(For the real obsessive’s…)
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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #72 on: July 25, 2018, 03:55 PM »
WOW!!!!  This is one of the best step-by-step threads I've seen.  Incredible work, and a pleasure to follow along.  I've even learned a couple of things along the way.  Keep 'em coming!!!!

Offline Corey P.

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #73 on: July 25, 2018, 05:41 PM »
Very cool project!  The amount of hand work is amazing.  Awesome job with the project and the thread!

Offline derekcohen

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #74 on: July 29, 2018, 10:50 PM »
As requested by a number of people, I have clocked the screws at the rear of cabinet. Gad, some are so OCD!  :D





One coat of oil so far ..



Regards from Perth

Derek

Offline Koamolly

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #75 on: July 30, 2018, 01:38 AM »
As requested by a number of people, I have clocked the screws at the rear of cabinet. Gad, some are so OCD!  :D





Much better! But FYI we prefer CDO so it’s in alphabetical order.  ;)

One coat of oil so far ..



Regards from Perth

Derek

Offline CirclDigital

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #76 on: July 30, 2018, 04:36 AM »
As requested by a number of people, I have clocked the screws at the rear of cabinet. Gad, some are so OCD!  :D

Then those must be really obsessing over the different sized boards? I know I am a little even if it’s not my work and the back won’t be seen :-).

With finish it looks even better.

Offline derekcohen

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #77 on: July 30, 2018, 08:58 AM »
Nah ... it's all good. Just a bit of fun :)

Regards from Perth

Derek

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #78 on: July 30, 2018, 01:13 PM »
When I attached the metal knobs (too large and not right ... ugh!), I was swayed by Lynndy, who said to place the knobs square to the drawer front, since she liked the idea of them fanning from the front of the chest and accentuating the curve. In practice, this was not a good idea. Opening the drawers felt wierd - one is used to a drawer opening in the directing of the pull. These drawers did not do so. The opened at an angle to the pull. It felt wierd. Lynndy thought it charming. She is wierd.

Having turned new Black Walnut knobs to match the drawer fronts, against the advice of some who argued for dark, perhaps Ebony knobs, I know had to decide how I would fit them. As before? No, I did not want that. I wanted to set the square to the drawer recess.

There were two issues here: how to drill them the same as each other.? It would look a mess if some varied out of line. And then there was the fact that the drawer fronts curves and angled, which meant that the knobs would go in at an angle. One side would sit in- and the other side proud of the surface.

I designed a couple of jigs to drill accurately. Fortunately I did not waste time making them ( I have no time in the kitty to get this piece ready for the upcoming West Australian Woodshow. It is days away). The simplest solution occurred to me last night. Use the drill press. Duh!

All that was needed was to ensure the drawer was held vertically, and then use progressively larger bits until the size I needed (3/8"), the tenon of the knob.



That went smoothly.

The holes were then widened slightly on one side with a step drill bit to allow to seat the knobs evenly.

I have begun installing the knobs with wedges. The cabinet and drawer fronts have had a coat of Livos oil, and you can now get an idea of how the knobs blend in (the drawers are proud of the cabinet as the oil is drying)



I completed the base for the chest this afternoon, but I am not thrilled with the design. I'll make a decision tomorrow whether to use it or not.

Regards from Perth

Derek

Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #79 on: July 30, 2018, 01:36 PM »
I think putting the knobs straight on was a good design choice.  Looks great with the finish.  Good luck in the show - you have a formidable contender.


Maybe you could bring us a pictorial of the show?

Offline neilc

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #80 on: July 30, 2018, 02:32 PM »
Looks fantastic.  The knobs and the connected pattern of the grain play well together. 

I think you notice the grain with the more muted knobs.   An ebony or metal knob would take the eye away from the brain pattern I think.

Offline derekcohen

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #81 on: August 01, 2018, 11:46 AM »
FINAL

Talk about down to the wire. It's 11 p.m. and I've just completed a coat of Howard's wax after the last coat of Livos Universal Wood Oil. The drawers were all finished inside and out with Ubeaut Hard Shellac (dewaxed blond shellac). The inside of the chest (drawer recesses) was given a coat of paste wax. Tomorrow morning I take the chest to the Perth Showground for the annual West Australian Wood Show, where it will take its place among others in the furniture competition. I started this piece 3 months ago.

I could tell you how the base gave me fits. It was a difficult task to design a stand for a curved cabinet. Probably why Krenov never built an apothecary chest! :)  Last night I completed the base, and Lynndy loved it. Compound curves forever. darn sexy. The base, that is.



But when I placed the chest on it, the combination looked awful ... top heavy ... ugh! I was out of wood, out of time, and it looked like I was out of the competition.

This morning I woke up and had an inspiration. Cut the legs shorter. This evening, after work, I did just that. And I like the finished piece. I think the balance is right. So does Lynndy, which matters. The dimensions are 1000 high (39") x 460mm (18") across.

Here is the chest, and where it will be positioned in the entrance hall ...



A few pics of the base ...







Much time was spent designing and building the drawers, which curve across the fronts ...





Yes, I changed the steel for brass screws (no slotted ones the correct size, however) ...



And made knobs in the same Black Walnut, and fitted coplanar to the drawer recess (that was a headache before finally coming up with the simplest solution, to use the drill press!) ..



I was very pleased with the drawer stops ...



... and you can see the shiplapped back if you peak ...



It has been a long, but exhilarating build. I hope that you got something from it too.

Regards from Perth

Derek

 

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #82 on: August 01, 2018, 06:33 PM »
@derekcohen - Best of luck in the competition!  I am glad that it will also have a great home and will be an heirloom piece.  And thank you for taking the enormous of time to document your build here.  Although many of us may not ever consider building such a project nor tackle a project with mainly hand tools, projects such as yours do serve as idea generators and inspirators in many different ways.

Peter

Offline CirclDigital

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #83 on: August 02, 2018, 04:39 AM »
Indeed best of luck..... but with such a great project and result that shouldn’t be difficult.

Offline neilc

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #84 on: August 02, 2018, 09:45 AM »
Thanks for taking us along this amazing path!  Good luck in the competition.  The finished piece is excellent.  Love the floating cabinet.  Brings a very subtle element of lightness to the design.

This is a piece you want to touch and explore!  Just fantastic and one for your legacy!

Neil

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #85 on: August 02, 2018, 11:16 PM »
Indeed, although I will probably never attempt something so difficult and with all those "master's touches" I have been reading this thread regularly and have learnt quite a lot through all the detail and coming along for the journey.

I thought I better post about this rather than just be a silent viewer, to thank you for all the extra time and effort in the write up. All the best for the competition.

Offline lunchman

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #86 on: August 05, 2018, 07:46 AM »
I've enjoyed reading this thread and have to say the finished product is amazing! Your attention to the smallest details, the challenges and solutions, the highly skilled craftsmanship - all worthy of many accolades.

Thanks for posting your build.

Offline derekcohen

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #87 on: August 06, 2018, 11:04 AM »
Thanks for all the kind words. I hope it has been as helpful for some of you as it has been fun for me.

Kind regards from Perth Australia

Derek

Offline ilovesunshine

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Re: Apothecary chest
« Reply #88 on: August 12, 2018, 06:07 PM »
Hey Derek
This is excellent! Super inspiring! So many things to think about! Thank you so much for sharing so many photos! So how did you do in the competition? How many other excellent woodworkers are you up against? 🙂 good luck!

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