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« on: March 25, 2011, 05:43 PM » |
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Here is a small "mudroom" I just finished. This is off the kitchen just coming into the house from the garage and the owner wanted it changed from a desk/cabinet combo to something their 3 kids could hang coats on, dump book bags, etc. Local cherry for the doors and frames, ply for the rest. 3 lights underneath the top and a shelf for charging all their phones, etc (which as you can see from the photo they've already started doing! Used my TS75, ETS 150/3, CT33, Trion, Domino mostly. It was great going on site and using Festools to fit it to the opening, esp the seat top using a ticking stick with the TS75 - perfect fit - no need for caulk or edge trim. I prefer my cherry a bit lighter but this had to match the rest of the kitchen. (Pardon the unpainted walls and reflection mess in the open base unit.)
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2011, 06:00 PM » |
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Really nice seamless conversion, color match looks execellent from the pics, like it was originally built that way...nice work.
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2011, 07:08 PM » |
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Looks great!
What's a ticking stick? Could you explain, please?
I am interested in building a few built-ins but not quite sure how to make an exact fit.
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2011, 07:15 PM » |
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A ticking stick is just a "stick" of wood with markings on it allowing you to take the "stick" to other things and transfer the marks or ticks.
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2011, 07:27 PM » |
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To add to Ken's excellent explanation, also know as a story stick because your marks on the stick tell a "story" about your situation. Used to eliminate measurement errors.
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2011, 07:29 PM » |
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well you beat me to it Pete, I have always know it as a Story stick also,
Meantime real nice job , I do love Cherry a bunch, It is great working material as far as I am concerned
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2011, 07:33 PM » |
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Thanks for the encouragement guys.
A ticking stick (or tick stick or tic stick etc...) is not the same as a story stick (at least as I learned it). Instead of having marks where measurements go, a ticking stick is a way to get an accurate reading of any shape. They are especially useful on three sided fits like countertops and bay window seats where the sides and back aren't necessarily at 90 degrees to each other or the walls are wavy. It's very easy to do but hard to explain verbally. I recommend you look at Popular Woodworking, Nov 2010, p. 48 for an explanation or some web sites related to boat building since the sticks excel at precisely duplicating curves. Hope that helps.
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2011, 07:42 PM » |
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See what happens when you're hungry and not thinking straight! Ron, you are correct. I was thinking story pole. I've got to stop snacking on glue.
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2011, 09:37 PM » |
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Here is a video link to that Popular Woodworking Edition on the ticking stick usage Fit a Door With Ticking Sticks - Popular Woodworking Videos - blip.tvNever say this method before interesting |
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2011, 10:15 PM » |
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Sal, I've never seen it done that way and it surely can't be efficient on the jobsite, but the next time I see a carpenter running around with posterboard on a job, I'll know what's up.
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2011, 07:41 AM » |
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It's at least 100% more efficient than doing it twice. = )
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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2011, 08:01 AM » |
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Eli,
From my experience (LOTS of countertop installs) you're exactly right. Whenever I used to work without these sticks, they never came out quite right and often took alot of time. Sometimes a do-over...ugh...save a few minutes, lose 2 hours. This was 3 marks on 3 sides in about 5 minutes and then cut along 3 sides with the TS75. Perfect fit. It's like I used to tell my kids doing their math homework - slow down and get done faster.
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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2011, 08:27 AM » |
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Ron: Looks great, almost too good for the kids to use.  If they are anything like mine, man they can be hard on furniture. Thanks for the reminder on the ticking stick. Tim |
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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2011, 10:28 AM » |
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Sal, I've never seen it done that way and it surely can't be efficient on the jobsite, but the next time I see a carpenter running around with posterboard on a job, I'll know what's up.
Ron - Great work. I've never heard of nor have seen the tick stick method, but looks to be a great method to eliminate error and do-overs as shown in the Popular Woodworking Video. Can anyone describe the way the tick stick method is efficiently done if the method shown in the Popular Woodworking video clip isn't considered efficient? Or, maybe do a short video? Thanks, Corey |
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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2011, 10:34 AM » |
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Eli, are you serious. What trim carpenter is going to do all of that to set interior doors or even an exterior?
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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2011, 12:16 PM » |
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Eli, are you serious. What trim carpenter is going to do all of that to set interior doors or even an exterior?
Ken: You are right, to my mind this (tick stick) is just too time consuming for fitting doors but for fitting tops with (uneven) walls on three sides I think it could be effective. If I am matching one side or two sides I always scribe and then use a jigsaw or preferably a RAS to the line, if I have to match 3 sides as Ron did here I have always used a piece of cardboard or scrap as a template. Am I missing something here? Tim |
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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2011, 02:59 PM » |
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Great job looks real nice. And to add to the stix story
It was originally goes back to cave man days where it was called a story rock ! Lol (just kidding)
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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2011, 04:59 PM » |
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Thanks, Tim and Kreg. Not sure you'd approve, Kreg, since no beadboard!
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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2011, 06:36 PM » |
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Eli, are you serious. What trim carpenter is going to do all of that to set interior doors or even an exterior?
Ken: You are right, to my mind this (tick stick) is just too time consuming for fitting doors but for fitting tops with (uneven) walls on three sides I think it could be effective. If I am matching one side or two sides I always scribe and then use a jigsaw or preferably a RAS to the line, if I have to match 3 sides as Ron did here I have always used a piece of cardboard or scrap as a template. Am I missing something here? Tim Tim, I'm in agreement with you about making use of that method for such things as countertops. The only thing better I believe are the laser/photo targeting systems that map out the whole thing. |
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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2011, 08:13 PM » |
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Tim, I'm in agreement with you about making use of that method for such things as countertops. The only thing better I believe are the laser/photo targeting systems that map out the whole thing.
Ken: I was afraid you were going to say that  ! I just need a real good reason to get one of those baby's, they are very cool...I like the SL-Laser Pro Commander. Made in Germany, seems to be a theme. Tim |
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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2011, 08:39 PM » |
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Eli, are you serious. What trim carpenter is going to do all of that to set interior doors or even an exterior?
What real trim carpenter would assume you can use one method to do everything? |
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