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« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2009, 09:25 PM »

Thanks for that vote of reassurance Dave.  That is one of the "unknowns" to me at this time and I can't tell you how excited I am to see them hanging and swinging!
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« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2009, 09:27 PM »

Barry,

That should be more than enough hinges.   I've been looking at hinges for a bookshelf closet door I'm working on and found standard (non-ball bearing) hinges at Lowes that will support 165 lbs w/ three 4" hinges.  They had them in both brass plated steel and stainless steel.

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« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2009, 09:36 PM »

Hi Fred

Thanks as well for the reassurance.  Yeah, I got these hinges at Home Depot...they were only about 7 bucks each.  I liked that price as I already have quite a bit wrapped up in this project.  I didn't want to wrap up four or five hundred on just hinges!
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« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2009, 11:11 PM »

I chose a nice looking paneling for the inside skin of the doors and the cutting was pretty straight forward.


Guide rail on tape measured marks;ready for cutting.


Clamped in place and ready to flush trim the window cut riding the bearing along the inside of the window frame.


Using a forstner bit to cut a hole to provide entry for the flush trim bit.


Window is cut out.  These doors should look really nice viewed from either side but I am really anxious to see how they look from the inside once they are hung and all trimmed out.


They will be warm and cozy as well.  I used two layers of the foam board to come up with the proper thickness.  There is a 1.5" pink board under this 1" blue board.
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« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2009, 11:21 AM »

Barry,

The construction of the gates of Fort Londrigan appears to be going well.  Those are the most substantial doors I have ever seen, excepting maybe those of oak on Summit County Courthouse and some European cathedrals and castles.  Great documentation, especially your photos.  Keep it coming.

Dave R.
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« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2009, 11:40 PM »

Thanks for those kind words Dave.  That means something coming from someone who has set the bar for documenting a build as far as I am concerned!


As mentioned earlier, there would be a need to be concerned about these heavy doors sagging both from the jamb side and the integrity of the doors themselves.  I have marked out the hinges  on each of the individul doors.  This will be transferred onto the jambs at a later point.  For now, you can see that the upper screws will bore right between where the MDF panel meets the door frames raising the concern that the doors might sag even further.  I used the Domino machine to bore some domino holes inline and perpendicular to the path of the upper screws.  This should give the screws something solid to bite into.  I used the largest domino and set to the deepest depth.  They were then trimmed with a japenese hand saw.


Trimming the dominos flush to the MD----uh...OSB..I just realized I have been calling that MDF...oops.


What's going on here??  Someone forgot to fill the door with foam board before boring the dominos.  Luckily I recognized that I did this before the glue was dry and a flat pry bar made short work of prying the OSB panel back off.


There...that's better...really I was just using those dominos as registration pins...sure.
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« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2009, 04:08 PM »

I had to do some rearranging of the big iron in the shop to accommodate milling of the long and thick oak jambs.  Since I was doing this solo, I had to have the jambs supported at both infeed and outfeed of the tablesaw.  The jointer and planer were a little easier handling. 


Jointer ready for action.  One edge and face are jointed square and then on to my 13" Shop Fox planer.


I had to use my MFT with some added items to get the right height for support of the long boards. 


A simple roller stand set to the right height catches the long oak boards


The top jamb board I am using is curved like letter "c"!  It just gave me a reason to justify the 300.00 cost of the 2700 rail purchased earlier in the project. 


I set the rail as close to the edge as possible in the center of the curved board.  I made measurements and found that I will still be able to get my final width of 5.5" after I make the final cut on the tablesaw.


The depth of the TS55 was set to max depth of cut.  You can see that I juuuuust made it on this cut with the little bit of shaving still left after the cut...good enough!

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« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2009, 06:09 PM »

Cutting HardiPanel: I am using a Diamond blade.
Just bought a 7" Husky "Diamond Turbo Blade" at Home Depot for about $15.00.
Bought one, because I can't find the previous two I had.
Hence the need for us to have a shop.
Just signed up to provide this tip.
Google brought me to your site.
I think I'll probably be copying your design to some degree.
Good stuff.  Can't wait to see it mounted, how it works, etc.
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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2009, 04:31 PM »

The next steps toward completing my doors are as follows:

Securing the outside skins (Hardi-panel on the outside and 1/4" panel on the inside)     
I am planning on using good constuction adhesive to secure both sides.  any suggestions on what brad or nail to use to secure the panel? ....especially the Hardipanel...what is the best fastener for the Hardipanel?

Mortising the hinges - I have been working on building this jig

http://www.shopnotes.com/issues/074/videos/using-the-hinge-mortising-jig/

The only problem with this jig is that the max width is about 3 1/2 inches.  I have been working on modifying it to work on a 4.5" hinge.  Any suggestions on a jig for motising these doors?  The thickness of the doors is approx. 4.5" as well.

Installing the windows

Installing "kerf-in" weatherstrip for center of doors

Installing the jambs...installing threshold...hinge side weatherstrip...lots more to do yet.
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« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2009, 04:56 PM »

The only problem with this jig is that the max width is about 3 1/2 inches.  I have been working on modifying it to work on a 4.5" hinge.  Any suggestions on a jig for motising these doors?  The thickness of the doors is approx. 4.5" as well.



Here's a jig that works with 4.5" hinges, the thickness of your door might be a problem but it might be worth looking into.

http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=21099
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« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2009, 05:06 PM »

Steve...you forgot the link me thinks...
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« Reply #41 on: January 14, 2009, 06:04 PM »

Yeah...I am about betting on a home made jig with as thick as these doors are.  I like the looks of the Hinge-Mate jig but it also is not for thicker doors.  I may have to finish up on my modification of the Shopnotes jig and test run it on some mock-ups.  I will post the results of that here when I do it. 
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« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2009, 06:18 PM »

Barry,

You can make a hinge mortise jig with only two parts.

First take a piece of 3/4" plywood about 9 x 18 inches and cut a notch in it the size of your hinge leaf centered on the 18" side.
Put a short strip of wood on each side of the opening so that it catches the face of the door when you lay the larger piece on the edge of the door.
You can then use a 1/2" top bearing router bit to cut the mortise for the hinge and can practice on some scrap pieces to check the fit.
If you don't have the top bearing bit that is short enough you can make the opening in the 9x18 piece 1/16 inch larger than three sides of the hinge and use a 5/8 inch guide bushing and 1/2 inch straight router bit.

This jig can be used both on the jambs and the doors.

Best,
Todd
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« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2009, 07:19 PM »

Barry,

You might want to step up to a Festool MFS.  Works great for doing hinge mortisese and whatever else you might want to do with your router.  I used mine yesterday to create a mortice in the bottom panel of my garage storage cabinet.  I needed to lower the position of the magnetic door catches so the new drawer I recently built could be installed as close to that bottom panel to provide clearance above for the jack stands and other equipment I store in this lower compartment.

Here's a photo of the cabinet before installation of the new lowest level drawer.  The magnetic catches are screwed to the top surface of the bottom panel, and are in danger of being damaged every time I pull out one of the boxes containing automotive jack stands and other tools.


MFS 400 set up to mortice bottom panel.  Note use of Festool clamp on right and "gravity clamp" on left.  I used the right angle brackets that come with the MFS to assure alignment relative to the front edge of the panel.


Mortice completed, magnetic catch set in mortice to confirm correct depth.  The OF 1400 is equipped with a PC bushing adapter and a 3/8 inch 2-flute HSS bit.  For this non-critical job I just eyeballed the offset of the bit relative to the MFS edges.


Magnetic catches and drawer installed.


The more I use my MFS, the more uses I find for it.  In this case, it save me from either making a template or chiseling the needed mortice by hand while kneeling on a cold concrete floor.  The MFS made this little job fast, neat and accurate.

Dave R.
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« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2009, 09:18 PM »

Barry,

I really think you will need a beefier hinge than the ones you have. The 4.5" hinge you have in the pic are designed for 1.75 or 2.25" thick doors. The screws will most likely engage the osb panel and while the dominoes are a good idea I think they may spit over time as the screw pulls against the surrounding osb. Wider leaves are in order. JMO

Eiji
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« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2009, 09:44 PM »

Yes Dave...I would have to agree with you that an MFS is definitely in orde....I think that would make the motising a bunch easier...and I definitely spent too much energy and time already on building a jig that I am not positive yet will do the job...only problem is funds right now...other purchases are in the works limiting my spending....sooo,,,I will have to make do.  Do you have a Festool part number for that gravity clamp?

Eiji...I can't say that I disagree with you at this point...it is certainly a concern of mine.  I thought about a 5" butt hinges to get the little extra depth into the door...I originally was putting two hinges per quadrant...the lack of depth is the sole reason I added a third hinge per door...  Another reason was price...It was getting to be ovr 400.00 just for hinges when I was looking at the 5" hinges...hmmm..
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« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2009, 09:56 PM »

Yes Dave...I would have to agree with you that an MFS is definitely in orde....I think that would make the motising a bunch easier...and I definitely spent too much energy and time already on building a jig that I am not positive yet will do the job...only problem is funds right now...other purchases are in the works limiting my spending....sooo,,,I will have to make do.  Do you have a Festool part number for that gravity clamp?


Barry,

The Festool item number is GFC030  (Gravity Force Clamp, 30 lbs force).  Unfortunately, its NAINA.

A couple of years ago, I needed to install several new passage doors using the old hinges on old door frames, and on one to swap out and add an additional hinge because the new door was much heavier than the old.  I bought a PC single position, molded plastic hinge morticing jig.  It worked, sort of, then I broke it.  At least I got a basic top bearing router bit I can still use.  Also, it was much more difficult to properly size and position and secure to the door than my MFS.  And, of course, the MFS has many other uses, some of which are described in Jerry Work's manual.  If I had purchased my MFS earlier, I also could have used it to add extensions onto the bottoms of several doors the previous home owner had hacked very short.  I could have routed them with sliding dovetails using the MFS.

Dave R.
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« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2009, 12:00 AM »

For attaching HardiPanel, I am using a nail gun.  A round head framing nailer works for me.
A HardiPanel competitor Certainteed Fiber Cement has a lot of good information on their web site.
http://www.certainteed.com/
When framing I set it for deepest possible nailing, so I get fully seated to a little over seated, depending on wood hardness, if I hit a knot, etc.
For the HardiPanel I set the depth so I get a little less depth.  The deepest nails are correct.  Many I have to finish off with a hammer.
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