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Offline Dovetail65

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Dovetails Plug it Festools
« on: November 04, 2016, 07:38 PM »
I finally decided to just convert all my tools over with pigtails. I purchased the pigtails in America. The Bosch Jig only comes with an 18 gauge extension and I have this set up for a 16 gauge plug it, so I exceed specifications. This Bosch blows my Old Trion out of the water. I must say as good as it is using it today aggravated me and I was about 2 seconds from just getting the Mafell, I even loaded it in my cart at Tool time, but that 700+ price stopped me.:

Brand new out of the box today Bosch JS572EB 120-Volt Barrel-Grip Jig Saw - Plug it style:






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Re: Dovetails Festools
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2016, 07:46 PM »

Brand new out of the box today Bosch JS572EB 120-Volt Barrel-Grip Jig Saw - Plug it style:

So I guess waiting for the warranty period to have expired had no influence on your decision?  All manufactures will void all warranty cover if their product has been modified.

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Re: Dovetails Plug it Festools
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2016, 07:51 PM »
The Nuetrik TrueOne PowerCon connectors are a step up. It would be nice if all the tools were available OEM with them.   

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Re: Dovetails Plug it Festools
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2016, 07:58 PM »

Brand new out of the box today Bosch JS572EB 120-Volt Barrel-Grip Jig Saw - Plug it style:

So I guess waiting for the warranty period to have expired had no influence on your decision?  All manufactures will void all warranty cover if their product has been modified.


Heck no,, I'll rant a bit.

The last Bosch jig I bought lasted 7 years and I sold it for 75.00 at a garage sale.

I buy my tools to use them, and NEVER buy them thinking resale or any weird stuff sometimes mentioned here. I buy the best I can possibly afford and use them until the very end. I do the same with my cars. I am confident in what I buy without ever a worry it's going to break down, this has served me well. And I never buy a tool based on its warranty, whether its 1 year or 3 years, I go off my research. I bought a Harbor Freight dust collector based on research, its lasted for many  years and it believe it had a 90 day warranty at the time.

I do my research and I can say the only tool I ever bought that broke on me that needed warranty service was a Kapex and I just returned it in the 30 days. So knowing what I know  why would I buy another Kapex even if the warranty is 3 years when I know darn well that DeWalt and Milwaukee with 1 year warranty probably won't need work? I had no reviews of the Kapex since I was an initial buyer, but  what I know now about the motor issues the with the newer units the 3 year warranty means nothing to me. I will of course buy something with a 1 year warranty over it. We are so lucky to have the net now to read other people experiences

I once has a SawZall fail, I wrote a letter to the president of the company saying my 3 year  old daughter couldn't use them to cut her paper projects. Three weeks later two Representatives drove from Milwaukee,  knocked on my door, took the broken tools and gave me two new ones in a stye that wasn't even released yet, other than that I have had very very few issues with tool breaking during a warranty period.

« Last Edit: November 04, 2016, 08:05 PM by Dovetail65 »
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Re: Dovetails Plug it Festools
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2016, 08:23 PM »
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I once has a SawZall fail, I wrote a letter to the president of the company saying my 3 year  old daughter couldn't use them to cut her paper projects.
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I feel a bit unworthy reading ^this^. Those Sawzalls kind of scare me, and to thing your 3 year old daughter uses one is maying me thing I need to somehow man-up.

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Re: Dovetails Plug it Festools
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2016, 09:54 PM »
Someone wanted to see how I attached it. I just attached the plug it where the original extension cord was screwed in. It's a fairly clean set up really.

Many times I just cut the extension about 6 in from the tool and add the pigtail to it, but upon looking inside this tool it seemed easy enough to implement this way.

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« Last Edit: November 05, 2016, 12:32 PM by Dovetail65 »
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Re: Dovetails Plug it Festools
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2016, 02:28 PM »
Okay I used this Bosch Barrel grip Jig all night. I just don't like barrel  grips, I tried and tried to like it as so many rave about them. I miss the trigger speed control and my hands are just too small for the barrel. With the barrel grip I cant reach to turn the tool off without a second hand!  I guess I won't like the Mafell either. 

In my shop with the woods I use there are plenty of times I want to adjust the speed as I cut the wood on the fly. Some woods get harder in certain areas and only an RPM change, not a constant speed/torque system is going to compensate. I dont want to reach over and turn a dial either, with the barrel grip the cut literally has to stop to change the RPM. Using a variable speed trigger is much better for material that has varying densities(which is seen in many exotic hardwoods). Most important for me are the  times I need to adjust the speed or even stop the saw completely becasue of my body postilion. On the barrels I can't reach the off switch with the same hand so its inconvenient at best unsafe at worst. I much prefer the trigger where I let off the trigger, the LED  and power stay on but the saw stops. For certain stop cuts where I want to end the Jigsaw use in the middle of the materiel this trigger feature is a huge advantage and far simpler for me to use. This is party due to my small hands, partly due to a switch placement issue,  on the Bosch anyhow.

I wish Mafell made a handle version with trigger, I dont think they do, if they did I might jump in that system.

So I took the "plug it" off, put the cord back on the Bosch exactly as it was when I received it and am sending it back Monday. The new handle version is already on its way and its 70.00 cheaper than the barrel version. I will make it a plug it as well.


<<Edit:  Removed images of modified Festool OF2200 per forum guidelines - P.Halle>>
« Last Edit: November 10, 2016, 09:09 AM by Peter Halle »
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Dovetails Plug it Festools
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2016, 08:09 PM »
The barrel grip is best for cutting upside down, not for the kind of work you do. Hope the replacement works well for you.

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Re: Dovetails Plug it Festools
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2016, 12:29 AM »
Here is my new D handle Bosch Jig saw plug it style, I like this jig saw very much. The cord swivels and so does the dust collection, great since I cut mostly large circles.  Super powerful smooth as glass cuts and the dust collection, well it actually collects some dust! This jog asls has a switch to turn the dust blower on or off so  can see the line and has dual LED too. With the plug it cord its the perfect jig saw for me. Better dust collection would be great, but it collects more than the Carvex did and way more than the Trion does, maybe even 70 % or so.





Pics of the OF2200 plug it stye as well.

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« Last Edit: November 10, 2016, 09:08 AM by Peter Halle »
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Re: Dovetails Plug it Festools
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2016, 12:32 AM »
I'm a little nervous about current draw through the plug-it connector on your 2200. I think that's one pic that will vanish shortly due to safety concerns !!!

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Re: Dovetails Plug it Festools
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2016, 04:07 AM »
I don't think the issue is on the short part of the cord. Its the other side of the plug and the standard cord what festool give which is 10' or more.
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Re: Dovetails Plug it Festools
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2016, 10:37 AM »
I don't think the issue is on the short part of the cord. Its the othay for 2 hour

It's a 12 gauge plug it extension cord as I stated.


Its not that it's a safety concern, it's the modification of a Festool, which is fine. We know there are very fine safe setups that have been removed because the Festool was not used an intended, doesn't make them not safe, which again is fine.

No one can tell me it's not safe. I tested it more than UL would. Unless they used it this way 2 hours a day every day for 2 years. Yeah I dont run the machine for hours on end, but a 12 gauge extension cord and 4" of 16 gauge wire is adequate. I can change out that 4" lead to 12 gauge by modifying the pigtail and I think  most anyone would be hard pressed to than find fault then, but the pic would still be removed, which one last time is fine. I am leaving the 14 gauge plug it wire in the pigtail.

Ill just show different manufacturers tools with the pigtails and keep the other Festools I modified to myself, I have a few.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2016, 10:52 AM by Dovetail65 »
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Re: Dovetails Plug it Festools
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2016, 01:54 PM »
it's a real cool idea, i like it. it looks good and seems practical to me.
saves having trails of cables plugged into multi sockets like many i have seen.
one power lead, connected to an extractor that can be switched between tools that have no trailing leads.
can't see what's not to like.
if the cable can handle the power rating then there is really nothing to dislike or be concerned about.
connected to a power source with trip switches it seems you have all areas covered.
all that is left now is brew up some quality coffee and crack on with the next project.
i may even copy your idea in the future.
where would one get the sockets from?

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Re: Dovetails Plug it Festools
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2016, 04:42 PM »
it's a real cool idea, i like it. it looks good and seems practical to me.
saves having trails of cables plugged into multi sockets like many i have seen.
one power lead, connected to an extractor that can be switched between tools that have no trailing leads.
can't see what's not to like.
if the cable can handle the power rating then there is really nothing to dislike or be concerned about.
connected to a power source with trip switches it seems you have all areas covered.
all that is left now is brew up some quality coffee and crack on with the next project.
i may even copy your idea in the future.
where would one get the sockets from?

If most if you tools have plugit the plugit makes sense for the rest, but it is proprietary and you have to buy them from a few select overseas places.

If you like the plugit conceptually then the Nuetrik TrueOne powercon is better in every way, and one can buy then more easily.

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Re: Dovetails Plug it Festools
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2016, 05:10 PM »
it's a real cool idea, i like it. it looks good and seems practical to me.
saves having trails of cables plugged into multi sockets like many i have seen.
one power lead, connected to an extractor that can be switched between tools that have no trailing leads.
can't see what's not to like.
if the cable can handle the power rating then there is really nothing to dislike or be concerned about.
connected to a power source with trip switches it seems you have all areas covered.
all that is left now is brew up some quality coffee and crack on with the next project.
i may even copy your idea in the future.
where would one get the sockets from?

If most if you tools have plugit the plugit makes sense for the rest, but it is proprietary and you have to buy them from a few select overseas places.

If you like the plugit conceptually then the Nuetrik TrueOne powercon is better in every way, and one can buy then more easily.

conceptually i think it's a cracking idea, not one i had contemplated before.
i like it on the fest tools and my first thought upon sighting it was that it would be good if one were able to get the same plugs they use then stick to a single power supply. to be able to fit them on standard corded tools that are not from the same pea pod is sublime. my thinking previously was that plugs always went on the other end of a cable, without question for practicality...
i will check out your suggestion too, thank you.

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Re: Dovetails Plug it Festools
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2016, 05:11 PM »
I have never had a plug it go bad that wasn't MY fault, 4 of my Festools are 9 years old with the same plug it's on them.

Since Festool went to the hard plastic on the plug it extensions, I have had zero go bad,

No one on any job site in the world is going to have the Nuetrik on their tools. So in a sense what you proposing is just as proprietary. Everyday there is more and more Festool on job sites.

And the "Plug It" pig tails and all the cheaper replacement "plug it" replacement parts are easy to get in the USA, I have been buying them all year long. I stock piled 15 of them thinking they would not come back, but they keep restocking.

So though I agree what you are talking about may be better(depending on the exact units you refer to), I even use them on my CNC controllers, it is a case where better doesn't get us anything. The "Plug it" work and they are cheap and easy to replace. As long as I twist them on I have had no issues at all with them failing. I have a drawer full of the replacements for each Festool I won, I have yet to use them, but I am ready.

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Re: Dovetails Plug it Festools
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2016, 05:20 PM »


If most if you tools have plugit the plugit makes sense for the rest, but it is proprietary and you have to buy them from a few select overseas places.

If you like the plugit conceptually then the Nuetrik TrueOne powercon is better in every way, and one can buy then more easily.

i just had a look at them, they do indeed look like a substantial socket system, however the plug system is different to that on the stoolies. a standardised version using the exact same plug in system for all tools would be more along the lines of what i was thinking, else sticking with the 3 pins and a lead would be less hassle.
that is unless it is fairly easy to convert the stoolies over to a different plug in system...

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Re: Dovetails Plug it Festools
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2016, 05:36 PM »
@Dovetail65  - would you mind sharing the P/N for the plugit you used in the barrel-grip saw? I have some tools that need modification myself.

Thanks,

RMW

I have never had a plug it go bad that wasn't MY fault, 4 of my Festools are 9 years old with the same plug it's on them.

Since Festool went to the hard plastic on the plug it extensions, I have had zero go bad,

No one on any job site in the world is going to have the Nuetrik on their tools. So in a sense what you proposing is just as proprietary. Everyday there is more and more Festool on job sites.

And the "Plug It" pig tails and all the cheaper replacement "plug it" replacement parts are easy to get in the USA, I have been buying them all year long. I stock piled 15 of them thinking they would not come back, but they keep restocking.

So though I agree what you are talking about may be better(depending on the exact units you refer to), I even use them on my CNC controllers, it is a case where better doesn't get us anything. The "Plug it" work and they are cheap and easy to replace. As long as I twist them on I have had no issues at all with them failing. I have a drawer full of the replacements for each Festool I won, I have yet to use them, but I am ready.
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