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« Reply #90 on: May 25, 2008, 03:47 AM »

I cut all the stops the length of the laminated jamb. I then laminate the stops onto the jambs.

I  layout the cuts for the side jambs with cut offs of jamb and T-hold.

I have all the jambs lined up to check that everything is just right.



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« Reply #91 on: May 25, 2008, 04:04 AM »

On doors with fixed side lites I attach the side lite to the jambs before attaching the head jamb and threshold. That way I can still get the system to the job in my truck. The side lite jamb assemblies make the whole system very ridgid, kind of acting like shear panels.

I cut the lites to width making sure that the sides are exactly parrallel and square up the bottom.

I align the bottom of the lites to the bottom of the jambs with the threshold cut off.

Scribe the tops to the stop and cut.

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« Reply #92 on: May 25, 2008, 04:19 AM »

Before attaching the jambs to the side lites. I rout out the hinge mortises. I have a dedicated template that has the pins and adjustable stops removed. Instead of adjustable stops I have blocks attached to the template and clamp it to the work piece. I will not put any pin holes in these jambs or doors. The blocks also act as zero clearance so you get no tearout when routing the hinge mortise.

When setting up for the depth of cut I plunge the router to the work and lock it in position. then insert the hinge plate, press down on the depth stop and lock it.  Now if I had another hand it would be great. sometimes when reaching over to release the router plunge lock the plate will rock a little and mess up the depth. I just set it and back off about .2mm and then adjust the cut if needed.


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« Reply #93 on: May 25, 2008, 04:24 AM »

Now I assemble the sidelites and jambs.

I cut the stop for the top jamb but leave it loose.


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« Reply #94 on: May 25, 2008, 04:31 AM »

Using the threshold dadoes I scribe and cut the head jamb stop and mark out the location with them as well.

I run the exterior side trim past the threshold so I have a notch instead of horns.  The notch is the stop thickness minus the trim reveal 15mm - 6mm = 9mm. I just love metric.

Using a rule or storystick from eachside of the stop for each corresponding sidelite assembly I cut the head jamb. They are all wrapped up and ready for delivery.


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« Reply #95 on: May 25, 2008, 04:48 AM »

Using the same methods I have other jambs and T-holds cut and wrapped.

Before I can get to the door prep for the double doors I need to set some glass in the single doors. I like to have the glass stop flush with the frame so I mill it slightly proud and sand it flush. Even if in moves slighty and puts a line in the finish I like the look better that and stop with a step reveal.



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« Reply #96 on: May 25, 2008, 05:08 AM »

I think this is what we have been waiting for.

The door prep for the double doors. I am doing the prep for the wood panel door with operable side lite first.

The first step is to size the doors in width making absolutely, positively sure that the cuts are parrallel. I only put a bevel on the operable door lock stile.  The reason is that I like narrow reveals and putting bevels on both sides of the doors opens up the hinge and the hinge gap gets bigger. Smaller is better in this case MO asthetically. With no bevel I get a 1.5mm reveal at the hinge side and I put 2mm between the doors for and total of 5mm of reveal in the width. If it gets a little tight I can always trim .5mm off the operable door before I do the lock prep. But I have never had to resize my doors before.

I have 1535mm in the opening so the operable sidelite is cut to 610mm and the operating door is cut to 915mm. After cutting the doors in width I clamp them together and square up and cut the tops at the same time using a 3-4-5 triangle to align the rail. I then measure from the top cut for the bottom cut figuring in my reveals of 2mm top and 4mm bottom.

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« Reply #97 on: May 25, 2008, 05:44 AM »

When both doors are cut at the same time it ensures that the tops and bottoms of the doors align after install.

Hinge prep is next. Then installation of the extension flushbolts in the operable sidelight using the OF-1400 and OF-HF routing aid. I like that name better that "plexiglass template".

I layout the flush bolt assembly on the door and mark the location of the end of the plate closest to the end of the door. The plate is 1" wide so I am using a 1" bit to rout the mortise. I center the OF-HF on the door thickness and place the lateral center 1/2" off the start mark towards the center of the mortise. I clamp a stop at that location. I then place the flush bolt on the other side and clamp a stop there as well. I add a 1" spacer in front of the back stop to compensate for the thickness of the bit. I need to create a stepped mortise with the deeper center of the mortise 3/4" in from the ends of the mortise. I add a 3/4" spacer to each side and then put a little tape on them so they dont vibrate off during the routing but so I can just fold them back when routing the shallow parts of the mortise. The deep part of the mortise is routed first and to 32 mm depth. then fold back the tape pulling back the 3/4" spacers but keeping the 1" spacer in place. I set the depth for the plate in the same way I set the depth for the hinges.


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« Reply #98 on: May 25, 2008, 05:47 AM »

More.

Also when setting up to route the flush bolt for the other end of the door  I set up the same but made sure to 180 the router and template.


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« Reply #99 on: May 25, 2008, 05:59 AM »

Now to bore the extension bolt. I dont have a boring jig so I just changed to a 1/2"  extra long plunge bit with the OF-HF. The hole needs to be 3/4" from the edge of the door. so I just used my starrett and one of the 3/4 spacers.

Now I have I nice straight starter hole and I finish with a long bit. It's a remote control automatic makita Grin.


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« Reply #100 on: May 25, 2008, 06:09 AM »

Just mortise in the top plate for the bolt and we are good to go. I use some blue tape so I can see the lines and free hand it. I have a little chiseling to do to clean up and I do not want to break out the edge and back it up with a clamp.

the OF-HF on edge to route the groove for the concealed sweep. My widest bit is 1" and the sweep is 35mm so I offset one side of the OF-FH by 5mm towards the center and reset the other side. Two passes - one pass then flip and rout again. the depth was set at 7mm. Remember my 4mm bottom reveal? Well the the sweep seals at 11mm.

I put some poly on before attaching the sweep.


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« Reply #101 on: May 25, 2008, 07:44 AM »

Wow!  Great post.  great narrative.  Great photos.  By the way, you might want to look at www.consevationtechnology.com for self adjusting door sweeps and other weatherstripping ideas.

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« Reply #102 on: May 25, 2008, 10:04 AM »

We are getting close to the end of  the month. I am thinking this is first place by a hair over some other projects..........

Can anyone say....slamdunk! Eiji, nice work. So, how do you think you'll use the new MFK? I know the month isn't over yet, the other guys are going to have to work hard to beat this project.
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« Reply #103 on: May 25, 2008, 10:53 AM »

Holly ... Eiji.

GREAT JOB!

Looks like your well on your way to a How To Book!

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« Reply #104 on: May 25, 2008, 11:04 AM »

Eiji,

What a fantastic tutorial on your door project.

I really like the "feeling I'm right there with you aspect" in

following you through the various details through the subsequent  stages.

If you keep this up Matthew is going to have to up his bandwidth capacity.

Give the man the router!

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« Reply #105 on: May 25, 2008, 02:11 PM »

I had to take a break and make my son a sword.

Great picture of your kids. Now I'm curious to see a picture of the family.
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« Reply #106 on: May 25, 2008, 02:16 PM »

It goes without saying that this is a great pictorial view of a very interesting project.
However, I do prefer a caption with each photo (or so) rather than text above a long group of photos.
(I am NOT a contest judge so don't worry about that)
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« Reply #107 on: May 25, 2008, 02:19 PM »

I had to take a break and make my son a sword.

Great picture of your kids. Now I'm curious to see a picture of the family.

  Yeah, but if you look close at his daughter's eyes you can see she's a little ticked she didn't get a sword too. Please make the girl a sword  already.  Grin
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« Reply #108 on: May 25, 2008, 04:59 PM »

Naw, Brice she is a princess and is just posing.
It goes without saying that this is a great pictorial view of a very interesting project.
However, I do prefer a caption with each photo (or so) rather than text above a long group of photos.
(I am NOT a contest judge so don't worry about that)

Please tell me how to do this and I will. I don't have the time to change the previous posts though.

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« Reply #109 on: May 25, 2008, 05:44 PM »

I'd like to know that also,

and while you are at it, to you or the computer gurus out there.......

how does one compose text in microsoft word then copy it over to the message box,

without having to go back in the text once loaded on the forum and remove all the

the  ? inserted in words such as........

don?t i instead of don't 

       Huh? Huh? Huh?


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« Reply #110 on: May 25, 2008, 06:18 PM »

Naw, Brice she is a princess and is just posing.
It goes without saying that this is a great pictorial view of a very interesting project.
However, I do prefer a caption with each photo (or so) rather than text above a long group of photos.
(I am NOT a contest judge so don't worry about that)


Please tell me how to do this and I will. I don't have the time to change the previous posts though.

Eiji




Here a link to Matthew's tutorial, Using the inline photo feature. This is what you are after Eiji.
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« Reply #111 on: May 25, 2008, 06:27 PM »

Naw, Brice she is a princess and is just posing.
It goes without saying that this is a great pictorial view of a very interesting project.
However, I do prefer a caption with each photo (or so) rather than text above a long group of photos.
(I am NOT a contest judge so don't worry about that)

Please tell me how to do this and I will. I don't have the time to change the previous posts though.

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Okay Eiji,

I'll give it a shot....




First, choose your photos, and upload them. They will be numbered sequentially by the software. (first upload = #1, second #2 ... etc.)





Start your text, when you want to insert a photo you uploaded select the insert inline image drop down and select full size or thumbnail (whichever you prefer).


The software will put in html like this : attachimg=#  (it will be enclosed in square brackets). replace the # with the photo number you want placed 1,2,3 etc.

Hit return and type the caption or more text.

Repeat

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« Reply #112 on: May 26, 2008, 12:38 AM »

What's the rush Nick?

I thought the contest ended on the 31st?

What good are having rules if the simplest one isn't followed? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #113 on: May 26, 2008, 12:50 AM »

I'm waiting anxiously for Bob Swenson's entry. Smiley

Per, you wernt just fun'n us were ya?

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« Reply #114 on: May 26, 2008, 02:50 AM »

I'm not finished yet. Wink

Here is a drawing of the astragal. I came up with this astragal design to simplify the door sizing and flushbolt installation.


I've milled the astragal, clamp it to the door and mark the top 15mm in and flush with the bottom.


Next is layout for dominoes. I make sure not to put any into the flushbolt assembly.


Here I've cut the domino slots for 6x40 tenons. 12mm into the door and 28 into the astragal. Only 12 into the door so I don't mortise the extension rod. Grin


I do a quick dryfit and check my cuts.
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« Reply #115 on: May 26, 2008, 02:58 AM »

How do you like the inline images.

I did an oops. After milling the groove for the sweep I set the router too close to the edge of the bench. Luckily it landed on it's feet but broke a leg.


Quick fix and I'm back on track. The waxed wood fences slide much better than the plexi but you cant see through them. Undecided
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« Reply #116 on: May 26, 2008, 10:06 AM »

You are a quick study Eiji! The captions are very helpful

Everyone makes mistakes. The difference between the old pro and the new kid is that the pro knows more ways to incorporate the mistake into the design. Or, as Peewee Herman would say, "I meant to do that".`
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« Reply #117 on: May 26, 2008, 10:38 AM »

Thanks Michael.

Here is the method I used to control glue squeeze out.

Dry fit and put blue tape across the joint.


The other side. I used a block to get the tape into the corner.


Now I carefully ride a shape blade down the joint to split the tape.




It is now ready for glue.

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« Reply #118 on: May 26, 2008, 10:44 AM »

Remember my glue dish and fancy applicator?


The dried mess just pops right out but I need a new applicator. After a careful search I find one under foot Grin.


Getting glue into the slots on bothsides of the joint.


Inserting a glued tenon.


Getting a spread of glue over the entire joint surface. I use a decent amount and just put it on the one side.


Clamp it up and I see that the sqeeze out has definately been contained.


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« Reply #119 on: May 26, 2008, 11:04 AM »

After the glue sets I pull the tape. I would say that I am very happy with the split tape method (first tried and shown here) and that 97 percent of the sqeeze out was contained. The rest was scraped off easily.


Here is the weatherstrip.
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