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Offline ilovesunshine

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Garden Sheds - In Progress :)
« on: July 22, 2018, 10:07 AM »
282446-0Hello All,

New here. Hope you're having an awesome weekend.

I bought a HKC55 cordless circular saw with a 1400mm guide rail and the angled guide rail too at the Festool roadshow last year in Twickenham.

Ashamed to say it sat brand new in it's box for quite some months as I'm not a carpenter or builder just a girl who likes woodworking as and when the mood takes me - but now it has been very well used and is the best thing I've ever bought and am now looking at other Festool products.

Have imposed myself on my parents in Cornwall to make use of Dad's Big Man Shed (!) so that I can finish these - they are a bespoke size (approx 80cm deep x 210cm tall at the tallest point and 180cm long) and each one is slightly different but very nearly the same size.

Just making the doors today and been wondering what the best roof material is - will probably just do felt but don't want it to rip on the corners and don't want to use the gas torch thing. Would gratefully take any recommendations for this.

Anyway everything was cut with the circular saw even the small angles - it's probably sturdier than it needs to be but I like that :-) Bit of inherited Dad Engineering (you can see how he built his shed / workshop in the background!!)

If anyone has any recommendations on what to use on the wood to treat it, would be gratefully received. Don't want to paint it as would like to preserve the grain of the wood if possible. So thinking some kind of oil or stain.

Thanks for any replies. If anyone's interested I can post finished photos :-) Enjoy the sunshine :-)

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Re: Garden Sheds - In Progress :)
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2018, 10:21 AM »
Welcome to FOG and great first post.  Are you planning to move those to the final location?  They look nice but hope they aren’t too heavy.


A simple roof would be corrugated metal here in the US and very inexpensive and easy to install.


Look forward to seeing progress.


Neil

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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2018, 01:05 PM »
Nice job! The wood does look too nice to cover with paint.

Nice to see the little corner blocks at the bottom. They’re rarely included in projects like this but they do add a surprising amount of resistance to racking.

Another benefit of the metal roofing Neil suggested is that it will weigh less than anything else that offers comparable durability.

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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2018, 02:47 PM »
Hey thanks for the replies :-)

Yes - I had considered a metal roof but the problem with that is, these are going back to London and will be in a garden that

1) the 2nd floor people above us might drop the odd cigarette butt on (not an issue for metal roofs but was considering EPDM and then dismissed it when I thought of that)

2) faces into the middle of a square which comprises 185 flats - and it is surprisingly VERY quiet at night so when it rains which it does a lot here in the UK, I am concerned it might be too noisy with a metal roof.

So I have marine ply that was going to be cut to size tomorrow or whenever I'm ready and then screwed onto the roof frame that's already attached to the tops of the wall pieces to give them stability while I put the cladding on and then was going to put whatever roof covering on top of that.

Felt seems to (reluctantly as I don't like it and especially don't like the corners as I am worried they will tear in not that long at all) be the best option considering the noise and cigarette butt possibility!!

I did however spy these at our local shop (attached) - I like the idea of them because if they get knackered you can just unscrew them and put a new one one, plus they seem to be the exact right size for my boxes quite randomly!

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So I'd put them on top of the marine ply. Thoughts?? Should I treat the marine ply first? I have this Zinsser all coat exterior paint which I had originally planned to paint the whole box with but it's black and garden faces west so not so sure about that now - don't really want to buy *more* of it in a tinted colour- but if I painted the marine ply black and then put black or green roof stuff on - would that be good??

The guy at the shop said its fibre board coated with some sort of tar stuff - so I guess really a little bit inferior to felt just easier to put on and change over and no corner detailing headaches!! I bought this stuff to stick the felt on with which is great when you first put it on but I built these super sturdy to last so don't want to be messing around with trying to scrape that off in 10 years time or whatever!!

Like the idea I could just switch those corrugated wavy type things over - but, are they rubbish?? If they are then maybe I won't bother!

Would love some advice on what to use on the outside though - good brands of stain or oil and how many coats and how often to reapply.

Thank you so much :-)

Oh and, hahahahahaha - yes weight is a problem, hahaha, the original plan was to make them here, then take them apart in panels with the cladding on, and squish them into my trusty Volvo estate and take them one at a time back to London. I did this with my previous Big Box that measured 3.2m long x 85 ish cm deep x 1.1m tall approx - another bespoke creation haha! Amazingly that all fitted in my car in it's pieces, obviously the 3.2 was in half - if you look at this shed the back is in 2 pieces for that reason. Plus if I have to assemble it myself the other end I couldn't carry the whole back piece in one bit I don't think.

Anyway I'll have to measure the exact pieces and my car but I am doubtful it will fit in, I think each piece is 5-10cm too big so will probably hire a van. A nice, sturdy van, suitable for really chunky heavy wood shed things. hahaha!

Thank you so much for your replies - checked out someone else's project here and seems a lot more professional!! Still you have to start somewhere :-)

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Re: Garden Sheds - In Progress :)
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2018, 11:34 PM »
Look into an automotive type noise-deadening or undercoating products.  Typically comes as an adhesive mat or in a spray can.

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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2018, 02:35 AM »
The stuff in the picture looks like a tar based material and can still burn, not as fast as EPDM (which is thinner so it needs less energy to ignite) but once it's going it'll continue. Also still somewhat noisy.
Look into an automotive type noise-deadening or undercoating products.  Typically comes as an adhesive mat or in a spray can.
The spray/paint on variety could be used as glue (onto the lower ply sheets) for flat aluminium sheets to make a cigarette proof and reasonably quiet roof, by removing the ability of the aluminium to vibrate freely it'll remove the drum effect.

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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2018, 03:24 AM »
Hi Clare

You might like to consider Onduvilla which is an easy to lay tile system:



I have found it easier to use the screws to fix it rather than nails as a tile can then be reset or removed if needed.

Peter

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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2018, 07:31 AM »
Two part epoxy will waterproof wood and still be transparent to see it. You'll have to work fast to get it spread on a large surface before it kicks, and it's smelly stuff. People around here use it on plywood kyacks, it will definitely waterproof it.
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2018, 07:13 PM »
Look into an automotive type noise-deadening or undercoating products.  Typically comes as an adhesive mat or in a spray can.

Thanks RustE - sorry if this is a silly question - feel silly asking this as you guys are all super carpenters and builders on here - do you mean use only that or in a combination of it with something else? Would you mind sending some links of what you recommend in entirety (ie if its an underneath thing what to put over it?)

My partner is a building surveyor so has been helping tell me what's good and what isn't (LOL and told me just use felt) but is super busy and about 250 miles away back in London!! Plus then that messes up the door open cladding that I've not put on yet - :-)

Im sure I'm massively overthinking this as it's only a couple of garden sheds, just keen to learn and see what options are out there :-) Thank you :-)

Oh and, thought about just painting the wood - he suggested I think it was chlorinated rubber paint that seems pretty cheap to buy on ebay but it's all for underwater so when I told him that he said no that'll crack in the sun - so not sure if there are other types as from reading it seems that same stuff is road paint too but has to go on hot?

LOL, so many options :-)

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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2018, 07:23 PM »
The stuff in the picture looks like a tar based material and can still burn, not as fast as EPDM (which is thinner so it needs less energy to ignite) but once it's going it'll continue. Also still somewhat noisy.

Hmmm.... really?? It's definitely tar based - would it burn or just char or melt a bit? I'll ask the other half ;-) Would EDPM ignite?  I thought it would just melt a hole. That's interesting. I'll ask him about that too :-) It's sort of soft and sticky to the touch - a little bit - strange stuff. It's called Coroline. (news to me, you guys probably know all about it!)
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Looks really like the stuff Peter posted in the video, will reply to that shortly :-) Thanks so much :-)

Look into an automotive type noise-deadening or undercoating products.  Typically comes as an adhesive mat or in a spray can.
The spray/paint on variety could be used as glue (onto the lower ply sheets) for flat aluminium sheets to make a cigarette proof and reasonably quiet roof, by removing the ability of the aluminium to vibrate freely it'll remove the drum effect.
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HMMMMMMMMM interesting... like I didn't have enough options to think about. I like this idea.... they are all good ideas and thank you all - this sounds interesting and probably quite expensive.... if you could possibly spare the time might you be able to expand on this so I could understand how this would look and what I would do to make this?? Part of the consideration is I need to get everything ordered, here, assembled, stained, disassembled, and hopefully driving back up to London by next Monday or Tuesday :-)

Thank you so much :-)

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Re: Garden Sheds - In Progress :)
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2018, 07:37 PM »
Hi Clare

You might like to consider Onduvilla which is an easy to lay tile system:

I have found it easier to use the screws to fix it rather than nails as a tile can then be reset or removed if needed.

Peter

Hey Peter,

Thank you SO MUCH for the reply and posting such an informative and helpful video. You know, they had something that looks EXACTLY like that in the shop I bought the big things from. Driving home with them bouncing around the car I did chuckle watching your video thinking how much easier the smaller ones woudl have been!!

So a few thoughts if it's OK:

- Is Onduvilla made from a 'bituminous sheet' like the Coroline?? If you know Coroline is it the same, better or worse quality? Is there a life expectancy? I collared a random dude looking at the same stuff in the shop who looked like he had made a roof or 2 and he said it should last around 5-10 years which if I can replace easily I'll be happy with :-)

- Good call with the screws not the nails - but - what do you cover the tops of the screws with to stop water getting in? I bought the nails with the plastic caps on but totally agree with you screws are AWESOME and nails are a bit too permanent!!

Do you think I could use either Coroline or Onduvilla on my sheds at the pitch is definitely less than 10 degrees. Highest point is around 206cm and lowest around 200. Let me work that out... http://www.pagetutor.com/trigcalc/trig.html
Hmm well that reckons less than 2 degrees as sheds are only around 180cm long -

Would it still work, would the water still run off OK?? Can't really build them higher and don't want to make the short bit shorter!!

 - Do you need damp proof stuff between the ply and this stuff on top or is it optional?? Question for the other half too !

- Interesting and good to see you screwed your panels on on EACH high ridge bit - I had thought that but the Parents ( I suspect they are slightly more concerned with me finishing this and giving them their workshop back than me building the best shed ever, hahaha) told me don't bother. (I don't listen to them all the time though haha!)

- TOTALLY AGREE with you about the battery on the Festools - I am presuming but don't know that the battery on your drill that you said in the video did the whole roof is the same battery in my circular saw - I have changed my battery once in this whole project so far and it wasn't fully charged when I came down here and it's not dead now. Very VERY impressed with that - have cut lots of things twice as all the cladding I cut a slight angle on which sometimes I did the first time and other times I cut a 90 and then trimmed another sliver off which is SO EASY with the circular saw - one of many reasons why I absolutely love it :-)

AND I got my second 1400 guide rail today with the joining together thing so when I cut the roof ply it will be EXCELLENT and SUPER EASY :-) Happy :)

- Last question!! Would you mind sharing what the plastic type stuff you used on the edges was?? That looks great - I hadn't quite thought of what to do there and that seems a nice option if I stick with this tar stuff :-)

Thank you SO MUCH for the replies everyone, it's a bit rough but I'll post some photos I took earlier.

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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2018, 07:43 PM »
Two part epoxy will waterproof wood and still be transparent to see it. You'll have to work fast to get it spread on a large surface before it kicks, and it's smelly stuff. People around here use it on plywood kyacks, it will definitely waterproof it.

Hey thank you this is another AWESOME idea - like the weird underwater paint but better :-) Awesome!! I've only ever used the 2 part epoxy as glue and I hate using it - it dries super fast in a tiny area and is quite lumpy and didn't squish out when I stuck the 2 things together - clearly, the issue was probably with me rather than the glue -

Might you be so kind as to share a link to a suitable product (ideally one available here in the UK if you know the type of stuff that works)

I really like the idea of just putting something on the ply as I'd like my door cladding to go as close to the marine ply roof as possible (bar maybe 10mm or something so it has clearance to open OK) as then it'll cover where the roof frame is screwed to the top of the door frame and look nicer IMHO.


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Re: Garden Sheds - In Progress :)
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2018, 07:58 PM »
Hey so here's some progress from today, was out all morning buying bits and it takes ages in Cornwall so only managed about 5 hours work today!



That's my not very professional work area - liked the shadow at the end of the day haha!



Here's me trying to cut out a hinge - having 3 per door as I'm worried they will warp. Not sure whether to put the angled things on or not - would welcome any suggestions for this :-) I cheated as I'm not very good with a chisel yet and used my Fein tool multicutter with a wood blade (sorry am I allowed to say that on a Festool forum, lol) to cut around the outside of what I had drawn in pencil around my hinges...



Here's one I cut out of the frame - managed to do all 12 on the doors and 3 on one frame but needed help to locate where exactly the doors needed to hang which Dad very helpfully produced a car jack to rest them on while pontificating on this :-) Need to do the other 9 of these tomorrow :-)



Here's one of the hinges in place - unfortunately I got a bit impatient - I did the 3 on the frame with a chisel and it looks pretty decent - hinge looks flush, seems a decent depth uniformly - phew ...

However trying to chisel it out with the doors, I did partly by chisel (being honest about 10% and partly with the multi cutter again (90%!!) so unsurpisingly in hindsight I have ended up with the cut out for the hinges in the doors being great in places and too deep in others..... DOH and ooops - So I guess I'll need to look at putting some sort of packers in tomorrow - I knew this part would be difficult. I will do all the door frames with a chisel.

If anyone reads this - how do you cut out hinge insets professionally - do you use a router with some sort of jig?? (other than just being awesome and learning carpentry properly which I would love to do ASAP if I can find a suitable course!!)



Anyway doors are hung - the frame hinges are screwed on in only 2 places not flush with the frame so I need to draw round them tomorrow and take them off so i can cut them out as carefully as patiently as I can!! The Fein multicutter is good for the edge bit at least! (I think so anyway!)

I might once I put the doors back on after the hinges are all sorted out tomorrow - make the door frames a little smaller so there is more of a gap between them and the top and bottom of their frame - I'll see what I end up with :-)



A slightly better one of the closest shed! :-)

Cheers for your replies awesome Festool people :-) Will update tomorrow :-)

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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2018, 08:02 PM »
Sorry no idea why the photos came out not correctly orientated!!

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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2018, 09:11 PM »
Nice progress.  Your mortises and overall work look good.  By the time you've built a few of these and friends commission you for their work, you'll be an expert!

For cutting hinge mortises, I use  trim router.  Variable speed ones are ideal if you have that option.  A Dremel tool with a router base is even smaller and works well too.

I first place the hinge on the door or frame, optionally screw in one screw to hold it and and use a knife to mark the edge on the outside.  Remove the hinge and set the router to the hinge leaf depth and then remove the bulk of the material with a 1/4 or 3/8" router bit.  You can then use a chisel to clean up the remainder using the flat bottom as a reference for light easy strokes.  Consistent, fast, and with a little care they turn out great.
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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2018, 12:24 AM »
Hi @ilovesunshine

Yes, the Onduvilla is made from the same bituminous material as Onduline and Coroline. I used Onduline on my current shed when I built it 31 years ago. It lasted 26 years and survived the 1987 hurricane.

Your pitch is a bit low but with a damp proof membrane under the roofing material it might be okay. I use the thick plastic used for over site work (under concrete etc). I know that it is too late now but the next time you make a shed use this or a similar damp proof membrane over the framing before you put the T&G or shiplap on. It only needs to be held in place with staples as the T&G will hold I well.

The edging was also an Onduline product - check out their web site.

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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2018, 10:55 AM »
The stuff in the picture looks like a tar based material and can still burn, not as fast as EPDM (which is thinner so it needs less energy to ignite) but once it's going it'll continue. Also still somewhat noisy.

Hmmm.... really?? It's definitely tar based - would it burn or just char or melt a bit? I'll ask the other half ;-) Would EDPM ignite?
Sorry, confused EPDM with the thin transparent PVC stuff (which is way thinner, thus can't absorb as much concentrated heat).
Nevertheless, fun with EPDM and fire:


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Look into an automotive type noise-deadening or undercoating products.  Typically comes as an adhesive mat or in a spray can.
The spray/paint on variety could be used as glue (onto the lower ply sheets) for flat aluminium sheets to make a cigarette proof and reasonably quiet roof, by removing the ability of the aluminium to vibrate freely it'll remove the drum effect.

HMMMMMMMMM interesting... like I didn't have enough options to think about. I like this idea.... they are all good ideas and thank you all - this sounds interesting and probably quite expensive.... if you could possibly spare the time might you be able to expand on this so I could understand how this would look and what I would do to make this??

In case you have a flat roof (with slope or not) the idea is to use the automotive type noise-deadening or undercoating products as glue for aluminium sheets (they don't need to be that thick, 1mm would already be plenty) directly onto the ply of the rood. Just miter them onto each other, no need for overlap, the black undercoating stuff below will do the waterproofing.

As the total roof size isn't that big you won't get big problems with thermal expansion, but should anything hot fall onto the roof (cigarettes, fireworks, ...) the aluminium will spread the out heat (so bringing the stuff under it to the respective ignition point would need way hotter stuff). Also the aluminium is inert to UV (which might get to be a problem with the epoxy idea).

A TS 55 will cut aluminium sheets without problems (with the #496306 blade), plus you can use it with a rail to easily create fold lines (45° bevel and 1/2 - 3/4 of material depth, on the inside of the corner, to create a weak line along the sheet will bend straightly), so in case you would want to pull the roof over the corners it wouldn't be that big of an issue.

This corner fume hood for my kitchen was created like that, cut to size and bend lines created with a TS55 (first picture prototype assembly wrongly oriented, second picture installed with filter and front bezel removed - seams sealed with sikaflex and some wooden supports for the corners):
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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2018, 11:32 AM »
Hey All
Thanks for replies. Will respond properly later! Went and bought a dremel tool but thought cordless would be good...
which it is but now my battery has died and shop didn’t have spares so having a break!!

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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2018, 02:11 PM »
Hey so I can officially announce as you all probably already knew that the dremel 10.5v battery is p**s poor although to be fair I think routing is quite power intensive which is why festool don’t make cordless routers ... I think Axminster tools told me that ... all good info to learn! Hinges still in progress! Update later 🙂

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« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2018, 03:23 PM »
Dog groomers evidently use dremels to grind dog's nails.  They say it works well and they're cheaper and better than ones made specifically for dogs.

I don't believe anyone really makes "real" cordless routers (yet) aside from small trim routers since they do require so much power.
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« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2018, 07:08 PM »
Nice progress.  Your mortises and overall work look good.  By the time you've built a few of these and friends commission you for their work, you'll be an expert!

For cutting hinge mortises, I use  trim router.  Variable speed ones are ideal if you have that option.  A Dremel tool with a router base is even smaller and works well too.

I first place the hinge on the door or frame, optionally screw in one screw to hold it and and use a knife to mark the edge on the outside.  Remove the hinge and set the router to the hinge leaf depth and then remove the bulk of the material with a 1/4 or 3/8" router bit.  You can then use a chisel to clean up the remainder using the flat bottom as a reference for light easy strokes.  Consistent, fast, and with a little care they turn out great.

Hi Neil,

Thanks so much for reading and for taking the time to reply. Haha, yes the more you practice the better you get - that's what I'm hoping anyway! Just buying a house with my partner and will have My Own Workshop there - can't wait!! So excited!!! :-)

I too your advice and went and bought a Dremel - had seen them for years but always thought they were for more hobby type stuff or small models - and I guess they are really - I went for the cordless model in my ignorance and couldn't have picked a more gutless machine to chunk out the door hinges - plus am finding a few issues with holding the base totally square to the work as the 'work' is vertical - and the router base when I am cutting near the top or bottom, can slip off into the already cut bit from the other end of the hinge - and then if I hold the router base on the wood that is still the full height - some of this is the next bit of frame which isn't totally flush with the bit I am cutting - so my nice depth on my practice bit turns out to
not be totally what I had hoped - still this is all good experience - I am still glad I went for the cordless one as it's so easy not having cables - I just need at least 1 more battery ideally!!

In the meantime there is plenty to keep me out of trouble (!) - trying to rescue the hinge mortises I cut out of the doors yesterday for one!! Partner suggested good quality 2 part wood filler as some bits are perfect, others are to deep.

Anyway this is all likely elementary stuff for all you master carpenters, haha, I'll post some photos when I have something more impressive to post and more progress!! Hopefully with the doors all hanging nicely with a nice uniform gap around them all by end of tomorrow so I can commence the door cladding - thank you so much for the help and encouragement :-)

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« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2018, 08:31 PM »
Cut some pieces of cardboard to raise the hinges up.  A cereal box, for example can yield multiple thin pieces to backfill behind a hinge that has a mortise cut too deep.

I actually use a cordless Dremel in a router base and it works fine as long as you are not too aggressive.  Apologize if you bought the wrong one for your needs.   I happen to have an 'uptick' from the standard Dremel router base however - https://microfence.com/product/micro-plunge-base-w-light-ring-kit/

That base is WAY overkill for what you are doing and EXPENSIVE.  I use with the router for inlay work as well as for clearing out dovetails after making the main cuts.  I like the size, take my time and it gives a nice cut.  Plus cordless is nice.

Your better choice would be a simple trim router like the Bosch colt.  Useful for simple routing, edge treatment, etc.

You'll get the feel with hand tools.  Our first mortises are frequently a challenge but in time you'll get the technique.  The knife blade around the edge is a good idea even if you are using chisels.  And try the cardboard trick to raise the hinge.

I'd bet there are plenty of homes around the world with hinges that may have a piece of cardboard behind hinges to bring them into alignment.

neil

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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2018, 01:19 PM »
Hey everyone 🙂

I’m winning with the hinges 😀😀

Will update later, learned loads 😀

I’m just cutting my door frames to size now they’re hung - hinges are all flush albeit some with lots of (waterproof!) packers!!

Just had a question:

What would anyone reading this recommend to best stop th doors from racking?

I’m putting bolts top and bottom of the left door of each cupboard and the cladding will help loads but not sure what to do?

I used more diagonal 2x2 on my Big Box and doors were half the height of these and even with that and cladding they still have warped a little.

I have 2 x 6, 2 x 4 and 2 x 3, but thinking weight - would some metal long strips be better or more like 8 x 1??

Help would be massively and gratefully appreciated!!

Thank you 😀😀
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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2018, 03:49 PM »
The stuff in the picture looks like a tar based material and can still burn, not as fast as EPDM (which is thinner so it needs less energy to ignite) but once it's going it'll continue. Also still somewhat noisy.

Sorry, confused EPDM with the thin transparent PVC stuff (which is way thinner, thus can't absorb as much concentrated heat).
Nevertheless, fun with EPDM and fire:

In case you have a flat roof (with slope or not) the idea is to use the automotive type noise-deadening or undercoating products as glue for aluminium sheets (they don't need to be that thick, 1mm would already be plenty) directly onto the ply of the rood. Just miter them onto each other, no need for overlap, the black undercoating stuff below will do the waterproofing.

As the total roof size isn't that big you won't get big problems with thermal expansion, but should anything hot fall onto the roof (cigarettes, fireworks, ...) the aluminium will spread the out heat (so bringing the stuff under it to the respective ignition point would need way hotter stuff). Also the aluminium is inert to UV (which might get to be a problem with the epoxy idea).

A TS 55 will cut aluminium sheets without problems (with the #496306 blade), plus you can use it with a rail to easily create fold lines (45° bevel and 1/2 - 3/4 of material depth, on the inside of the corner, to create a weak line along the sheet will bend straightly), so in case you would want to pull the roof over the corners it wouldn't be that big of an issue.

This corner fume hood for my kitchen was created like that, cut to size and bend lines created with a TS55 (first picture prototype assembly wrongly oriented, second picture installed with filter and front bezel removed - seams sealed with sikaflex and some wooden supports for the corners):

Hey Gregor - thanks for the reply sorry for the delay - the hinges got the better of me yesterday but I think I equalised today  [wink]

Wow thats mad seeing the EPDM burn like that - to be fair it's quite an intense flame on it - would a cigarette butt do that?? Either way, won't be using EPDM that's good and most interesting to see :-)

Thanks for the photos - that looks great :-) And thank you so much for the tips on how to nicely cut a bending line - will save that for a time I might need it - I think just due to time and getting things here I will stick with the coroline for now...

Although just went back to the Trigonometry calculator as I had thought about raising the high end just with some extra wood - it told me I needed it to be 33cm higher to get the 10 degree pitch - that would be silly so I think I will take my chances with how it is or when I get round to the roof - which hopefully should be either tomorrow or Friday now, I might still go for felt!! :-)

Thank you so much for your input :-)

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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2018, 04:03 AM »
Wow thats mad seeing the EPDM burn like that - to be fair it's quite an intense flame on it - would a cigarette butt do that?? Either way, won't be using EPDM that's good and most interesting to see :-)
A cigarette butt likely won't be enough to light it, a bengal fire/flare might.
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And thank you so much for the tips on how to nicely cut a bending line - will save that for a time I might need it
In case you want to do the aluminium sheet bending: Keep in mind that you'll cold form it at the bend line, cut too deep and it'll break, too shallow and it won't cleanly bend (or also break as too thick material isn't that flexible). Better do some tests with cutoffs first.
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Although just went back to the Trigonometry calculator ... told me I needed it to be 33cm higher to get the 10 degree pitch
10° pitch is 18% elevation, given 33cm for the raise would mean the roof is ~180cm long, which means that the pitch goes along the long side of the roof (given the pictures you posted). IMHO it makes more sense to pitch a roof along the short side (front/back in your build).

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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2018, 08:05 PM »
Hi Gregor,

Thank you so much for the reply. I’m going to use either the coroline or the felt for the roof just as I have it here and it’s easy. 99% definitely the Coroline.

Worked until around 10.30pm today - didn’t start until just before lunch though.

Definitely need to be precise with the cutting depth. I found out a lot more today about what this saw does! I’ve only ever needed to cut straight things so far and the most I’ve done is a straight cut at maybe 45 degrees.

I found out how to cut a 45 along the length of my cladding (for where the doors open) and also how to adjust the depth of the cut. And that there’s a little Allen key for changing the blade in the handle, clever and nice! Thank you new brit workshop and Peter parfitt - great helpful videos with great info on how to actually change the settings and what every single bit does!

So I’ve learned loads today. I’ve taken lots of in progress photos but as it’s late I’ll just post the last one!

Sorry anybody I’ve not replied to yet, when I have more time to sit down I will do 🙂
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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2018, 08:13 PM »
Hey Gregor just to add - thanks so much for helping and commenting on the roof slope - that’s super helpful thank you 🙂 yes the sheds are both around 180 long.

Totally agree it would’ve been better to put the pitch the other way round - I just did it this way because

1. The old crappy sheds that were there before were this way round! Not really a valid reason, haha, but I quite liked them like that! But hence the low slope! So there’s more space inside!

2. On one side if the roof slopes back any water would end up in the neighbours garden and on the other side there’s a really dense hedge and fence and it’s right bang uk against that too so I just thought it might rot the base faster.

Would’ve been loads easier to make the doors your way though!

The next shed I build I’m doing it you way! 🙂

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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2018, 08:41 PM »
Dog groomers evidently use dremels to grind dog's nails.  They say it works well and they're cheaper and better than ones made specifically for dogs.

I don't believe anyone really makes "real" cordless routers (yet) aside from small trim routers since they do require so much power.

Hahaha!!! Whether you’re joking or not, either way it’s funny!!

Yes everything in the box of attachments that came with it is so teeny!!

I love the router though! It’s a nice girl sized easy to handle thing - I’m very impressed with it. Except the battery life but I gave it a long overnight full charge and it was a lot better. So much better than chiselling!! This was the first day using it when battery died!

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Had never used a router before and that’s actually how my festool thing started - builder let me down on a project and needed to cut a groove behind skirting for internet cable - looked into routers - festool were coming up as best

Ended up hiring a carpenter and putting cable just above skirting! Then was looking awhile later and at the roadshow last year and that’s how I found Peter parfitt as he does great comprehensive reviews that’s perfect for people who would use all the settings and super helpful for people still learning like me so I can find out new things!!

Thank you so much for reading and commenting on my amateur post 🙂

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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2018, 11:23 AM »
Would’ve been loads easier to make the doors your way though!
I hadn't noticed from the photos that the sheds are not square but have a slope over the long side (if I understood it correctly). I'm impressed that you pulled that off, it's way easier to create the slope for the roof with a triangular section above rectangular gates/doors.

Nice work!

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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2018, 11:38 AM »
Hey Gregor,

Thank you! 😀 yes it’s a bit of a shallow slope so hope the coroline is ok. I think I’m going to screw the marine ply in from the inside so it’s easy to take off if needed.

Just took a photo - nearly finish cladding around the first shed doors. Going left to right and had to take the door off (taking great care not to disturb the carefully cut hinge packers lol) to fit the last bit of cladding around the hinges.

One more piece and I’ll move on to shed 2! 😀😀

Then it’s just locks, (she says flippantly, like the hinges were “just” the hinges, lol!) and roof and staining!

I’ve measured and I think there’s an outside chance the pieces of one shed will fit in the Volvo estate so really hoping that’ll work! 😀😀

Hope this shows the slope - it’s about 6cm lower on the low end - tried to get left side of camera image vertical 🙂 and the handles are level - I checked with a spirit level ! Just the doors open a bit. Clamped the doors hugely while putting cladding on so haven’t further reinforced them - hoping bolts inside the top and bottom of left door and outside top and bottom of the right door (putting on last!) will help 🙂

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