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Offline Jimmy FineCut

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2014, 05:59 PM »
Here's a cutlist for my MFT Sysport V2.  This includes the 6 accessory drawers, but does not yet include the sliding shelves for the Systainers (haven't built those yet).

Thanks for the cut list.

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Offline supimeister

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2014, 06:39 PM »
Thank you!! That is great!

Offline sprior

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2014, 07:03 PM »
All the sizes in the cut list do NOT include the thickness of edge banding (which is optional).  I did edge band all the visible edges, but lets face it that's just being OCD.

The drawer bottom sizes assume a 1/4" deep dado in the sides and front/back.   I cut the dados all the way through and then hid them on the front/back with the edge banding.  If you don't edge band then you can stop the dados on the front/back so they don't show, or just don't worry about it.

Offline sprior

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2014, 11:13 AM »
I'm happy to report that forum member Luzzy picked up MFT Cabinet V1 this morning and we had the rushed kind of conversation that Festool fans have when they're trying to tell stories and dump as much info as possible at each other as fast as possible while someone is waiting in the car.   [big grin]

Also some progress on the V2 cabinet - a start on the Systainer shelves.  Ultimately I want each Systainer on its own shelf, but it's going to take a while.  I also went with full extension drawer slides so I could have storage on both sides of the cabinet without expanding its footprint beyond the MFT.  I'm using 1/2" plywood for the shelves to squeeze a little extra vertical space which makes it a little tricky because the slide hardware is wider than the shelf is thick, but I made some 7/32" thick spacers which center the plywood on the slide piece.  What I'm not crazy about is that the slide hardware has more resistance to finally close it, but that means it's more difficult to start to pull out the shelf.  The trick is that I don't have any extra room for a pull for the shelf so it has to be easy to get the shelf out without much to grab on to - time will tell.

At first I thought I was going to make the front stop block match the angle of the front of the Systainer, but it turns out the Systainer is curved and not a simple angle.  I cut the pieces at a 40 degree angle and will stick with it, but a 90 degree cut would have worked just fine.  I beveled the top of the back stop block to make it easier to drop the Systainer in place.

It'll be interesting to see if I can fit a shelf for 3 Systainers on the left side and still have enough clearance.

Offline Dave Rudy

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2014, 11:14 AM »
Sprior,

+1 on thanks for openly sharing ideas, plans, cutlist, materials, etc.  I am re-entering the Festool world after a several year hiatus.  I sold my TS55 and Domino (forunately got virtually of my investment back) and decided to go into a lathe-only shop since instant gratification works best with turning.

Anyway, I kept my favorite sanders, MFT2-1080 and MFT3 tables, and just picked up a new ts55req and new (and improved?) Domino so I'm raring to go.  1st project--mft table with systainer storage. So this thread is over the top for being right on point.

One question though.  I had also decided to go with 1/2" on the systainer platforms.  Why not use lighter duty, typical kitchen drawer (white) slides- they come in full extension.  Wouldnt they fit 1/2" stock better and pull easier?

Thanks

Dave

Offline sprior

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2014, 11:32 AM »
Now he tells me...   [big grin]

My first version used cheap white drawer slides, but I've never seen full extension versions of them (got a link?).  The only problem with them was that being 3/4 extension I had to make them deeper in order to be able to pull the Systainer out enough to just about clear the front and open while on the shelf.  That left me with too little room on the back side for another set of shelves.  The only thing I don't like about the slides I went with is that they provide resistance at the end of closing/beginning of opening so since I don't have pulls I end up using both hands to open a drawer.  Though the benefit is that while I'm moving the table the drawers don't open by themselves.

Using the 1/2" material for the shelves did save me the space I needed to stack 3 Systainers in one bay and leave just enough finger room to get at them.

I'm just in the process of finishing up the shelves on the back, then this project will be completely done.  I managed to get the width of the Systainer bays fairly accurate - the shelves have only varied from 400mm to 402mm.

Offline Dave Rudy

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2014, 12:43 PM »
Well, I thought I had seen the cheap whites in 100# full extension, but maybe I dreamt it, since I can't find them again today.

I have, though, used KV slides before and found them less expensive but well-made.  Interesting that the first review says they won't come open by themselves.  I think I will try these:



http://www.amazon.com/Economical-Extension-Drawer-Slide-Rating/dp/B0019FSF4I/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1393263430&sr=1-1&keywords=14%22+full+extension+slides
« Last Edit: February 24, 2014, 12:53 PM by Dave Rudy »

Offline sprior

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2014, 01:01 PM »
Those should be fine, I guess I didn't do a ton of shopping around and was filtering on what was available via Amazon Prime.

I ended up needing 10 14" full extension slides and 6 accessory drawer slides.  Your mix of Systainers will affect the result and I played around for a bit to figure out which tools go on front and back and which way they stack for maximum space and usage efficiency which involved a couple of compromises.

Offline Jak147

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2014, 01:25 PM »
Sprior
Just throwing out an idea from the sailing world.....
If it was my mft table I would stick with the slides you have, because as you have already said the draws stay closed when on the move. This is good. To address the no finger pull/draw handle issue I would use some 5mm control line (thick string) to make a loop to pull on. This loop could be pulled back tight (don't want loops for things to hang up on, the extractor hose does enough of that on its own!)  by some elastic mounted to the underside of the 1/2" draw platform. I can elaborate more on endless take away systems if you like this idea but fear I may be loosing people already!
Good luck with the rest of the table it's looking great so far
Jamie

Offline sprior

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2014, 09:00 PM »
Thanks Jak, I like the idea and will keep it in mind.  I could see two holes in the front retaining piece with an elastic cord through them ending in two little knobs (I can turn on the lathe), so you cna pull either one of them and they will be the other end of the cord for each other.  For now though I'm going to use it as is for a while and see how it works.  I don't want to rush to solve a problem before I know for sure that it is a problem.

Offline Amateur Hour

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2014, 09:01 AM »
Well, I thought I had seen the cheap whites in 100# full extension, but maybe I dreamt it, since I can't find them again today.

I have, though, used KV slides before and found them less expensive but well-made.  Interesting that the first review says they won't come open by themselves.  I think I will try these:


I saw that those were shipping from Woodworker's Hardware. So I went to their website to check prices and for my order (six 8" slides and twelve 14" economical slides) it came out ~$60 cheaper after shipping than Amazon.

« Last Edit: February 28, 2014, 07:58 PM by Amateur Hour »

Offline sprior

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2014, 03:44 PM »
It's finally totally done!  Here's a picture of the backside.

Offline Dave Rudy

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2014, 03:57 PM »


I saw that those were shipping from Woodworker's Hardware. So I went to their website to check prices and for my order (six 8" slides and twelve 14" economical slides) it came out ~$60 cheaper after shipping than Amazon.





Perfect.  Thanks for the heads up.  I couldn't find it again but since I hadn't ordered the Systainer slides yet, I will jump on those.

Sysport looks great! 

  Did you end up with 10 Systainer slides?

Hope to be posting my pics some day soon!

Offline sprior

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2014, 05:43 PM »
Yes, 10 Systainer slides in all.  If I buy any more Festools they're going to have to be stored somewhere else.

Offline Dave Rudy

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2014, 07:59 PM »
The next sys port, obviously.

Offline Luzzy

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2014, 09:10 PM »
Yes, 10 Systainer slides in all.  If I buy any more Festools they're going to have to be stored somewhere else.

you have room:)

Offline sprior

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2014, 09:25 PM »
Gotta spend time building things besides tools for tools.  I need to play on the lathe more for a while.

Offline Acrobat

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2014, 10:02 PM »
Awesome job and thanks for the photos. Not having a mftyet, I'm curious as to why you haven't removed the legs and have free space under the tabletop for storage? Can one remove the legs and supports and have the mft top still work if you have it raised and supported on the corners?
When funds permit I would love to build a replica of your MFT sys port for my own shop.
Great job.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2016, 05:12 AM by Acrobat »
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Offline sprior

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2014, 10:23 PM »
The metal corners of the MFT come down below where the legs fold into, so the design would be a little awkward to use that space, besides those legs aren't trivially easy to remove (at least the one time I tried they didn't unscrew completely).  I also like the idea that if I needed to I can just lift the MFT off the cabinet and take it somewhere (probably won't do that in the foreseeable future).

If you (or anyone else) has any questions or needs a picture from a certain angle let me know and I'll be happy to supply it.

Offline Acrobat

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #49 on: April 08, 2014, 10:59 PM »
Thanks, I'll intend to return here at some stage and review it all over again when I finally do start it.
Once again what a great job you've done, makes me feel "guilty as" for not pulling finger and setting up my workspaces better [embarassed]
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Offline Joseph C

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #50 on: April 09, 2014, 03:09 AM »
Well, I thought I had seen the cheap whites in 100# full extension, but maybe I dreamt it, since I can't find them again today.

I have, though, used KV slides before and found them less expensive but well-made.  Interesting that the first review says they won't come open by themselves.

For systainer storage, I am using Hafele 423.75.435 (full extension self closing, bottom mounted, white epoxy) with a ply panel.
They should be ~ $8 per set.
TS75, OF1010, PS300, Domino500, MFT/3, CT22 + WCR, CT MIDI, RS2e, RO150, ETS150, DS400, RO90, Grex 2" micropinner (festool green), and packing everything else into systainers, too.

Offline sprior

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #51 on: April 09, 2014, 10:35 AM »
Those look good Joseph, If I end up building any more Systainer storage I'll keep them in mind.

The one thing I don't like about the slides I used for V2 is that they "lock in" a little at the end so when you want to pull them out it takes more initial force to get it started.  Do these white slides have that initial resistance?  Not too sure about the self closing part though the open lid would prevent it from closing while I was looking through the stuff in the Systainer.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2014, 10:38 AM by sprior »

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #52 on: April 09, 2014, 10:43 AM »
I rather like that resistance to opening, especially when I roll the sysport around in my shop.  It keeps loaded drawers from spontaneous opening events. 

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Offline sprior

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #53 on: April 09, 2014, 10:47 AM »
You're right it does help with that.  I don't have handles on my shelves and open them by sticking my fingers on top and pulling on the Systainer lid.  When the TS55 Systainer is empty that resistance causes the Systainer to tip before it overcomes the resistance, though the shelf above it stops it from tipping more and does open the drawer.  I know, first world problems and I'm being picky...

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #54 on: April 09, 2014, 10:56 AM »
I don't have handles either, and I rarely have the tipping issue, although I know what you're talking about.  I'm using Accuride 3832 14" glides which have just enough resistance to opening. 

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Offline sprior

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2014, 11:16 AM »
I was asked a very good question about my plans in a personal message, so I'll post the answer here as well.  The question was how I handle Domino joints that are at 90 degrees to each other - how the dividers attach to the spine as well as the top and bottom.

It does take some planning.  I made every Domino hole for the entire piece before gluing any of them and I'd dry fit sections and then take everything apart to get at the next spot.  Then I glued as follows:

(see my note after 6 before starting)

1. The vertical divider in the end to the end horizontal support. (this is the only vertical glue for now)
2. The assembly from #1 into the front/back faces
3. The stuff from #2 into the big side
4. The big side into the spine
5. The dividers into the spine
6. The big side onto the other end of the spine

I did the above with Domino's inserted but dry in the bottom edges on top of the bottom piece, then once 1-6 was done I slipped the assembly into the holes in the bottom for alignment.  Then did the same for the top.

After the horizontal joints were dry I'd remove the top (a rubber mallet helps a lot), add glue to the joints to the top and put it back in place, let dry.  Then flip the whole thing over and do it with the bottom.

You work from the inside out.

Offline CarolinaNomad

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #56 on: April 23, 2014, 10:33 AM »
I noticed that you use Maxcut for cutlist but hand drew the sysport.  I'm guessing you inputted the dimensions into Maxcut based on the hand drawing.  Or did you use, say sketchup, and exported a .csv file?  Is Maxcut easy to use?

Jeff
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Offline sprior

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #57 on: April 23, 2014, 10:41 AM »
I'm a computer programmer so woodworking is partially about me getting away from computers for a change, plus I tend to get VERY nitpicky about making formal CAD drawings perfect, plus I find Sketchup very tedious.  I found that dealing with Sketchup was just a distraction from figuring out what the joints were and doing the math for the dimensions, so I hand draw things so I focus on what's important.

Maxcut is pretty easy (there are some minor tricks about grain direction and you should set up a library of the materials you use right away) so you are correct that I enter the dimensions and it creates the cut layout and I've played with it enough that it does what I would have done by hand.

My experience with Sketchup should be increasing soon because a month ago I got a MakerGear M2 3D printer and want to start designing my own things to print, though it's not yet clear which CAD programs I'll use - Sketchup apparently has its problems with 3D solid modeling.

Offline CH

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #58 on: June 17, 2014, 01:31 AM »
I just finished my mft sysport based on sprior's design. 

I made a couple of modifications - it is about 12 mm shorter (my preferred working height) and I added a few additional drawers.

Regarding the sliding shelves, I added a Lee Valley cabinet pull that allows the shelf to be pulled out and it helps "define" the front edge.

 Thanks very much for the plans and the discussion.

Carey


Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #59 on: June 17, 2014, 08:06 AM »
Nicely executed, Carey! 

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