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Offline sprior

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I built this rolling cabinet for my MFT a year ago and it works really quite well, but I'm looking for an excuse to build a new version with some minor tweaks.

The cabinet raises the MFT to the same height as if it was standing on its own legs (it might be short by a couple of mm, but shims at the caster plates would tweak that).  I carefully designed the cabinet so all 4 sides are flush with the edges of the MFT so you can do vertical clamping with no interference.  There is a vertical wall going lengthwise through the unit for strength.  The MFT sits on top and is not fastened down at all, but dowels at the corners prevent it from sliding at all.  So it's rock solid, but you can just grab the MFT and go.  It has 3 22" drawer slides in front that extend out enough for the systainers to clear the front.  There are 2 small drawers on the side for Qwas dogs and other accessories.  Double locking casters that glide very nicely, but lock in place so it feels totally solid.  Everything is joined together with pocket holes and you could sit on it without a wiggle.

I figure the parts cost me right about $340 (changed to reflect 3 sheets of plywood in the cost).  If someone is willing to give me that and come get it in Danbury CT that'll give me an excuse to build another one.  The main thing I'd do differently next time is to use the more expensive full extension drawers slides which would recover enough room to put drawer slides on both sides instead of just one - not a big deal, I'm just being picky, so this could make someone very happy.  Of course if multiple people are interested the highest bid wins.  This unit is one big piece so a truck would be required.

To be clear the MFT or any tools is NOT included, this is just the cabinet, drawers, casters, and saw holder.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2013, 09:01 AM by sprior »

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2013, 03:27 PM »
First, that cabinet looks mighty fine and if I was within 200 miles of you, I'd be handing you $250. Unfortunately I'm 4 times that distance away from you.

There is one thing in your pictures and description just begging to be changed, and I don't think anyone else has done it. The Saw Holder on the MFT needs to be removed and either a fold up shelf added to the cart or the cart extended to perform the same task. I can see a nice small shelf that hinges up to hold the saw and hinges down for easy maneuverability.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2013, 07:00 PM »
One of the biggest design constraints I used was that the cabinet can't extend past the edge of the MFT table and should in fact meet it as closely as possible.  The idea being that I might want to vertically clamp on any side.  In practice I have only done this on the front side.  This saw holder has an edge so the saw can't just slide off of it and with the TS55EQ on the shelf it comes to a little below the top of the table so it doesn't interfere with moving the stock, but it's as high as possible so it doesn't make you bend over more than necessary.  I hardly ever remove it, but it comes off in seconds with a quick loosening of the knobs.

I'm not actually in any special rush to sell it.  If I knew for sure I was going to be able to sell it easily in the future I'd use it to build its replacement maybe over my Christmas vacation.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2013, 07:07 PM by sprior »

Offline T.Tom

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2013, 06:20 AM »
I like it!!  You have inspired me with a future project.  Nice and open where you can see what you are looking for.  I'm going to assume there is about 3 to 4 sheets of ply in this.  Also like the cabinets in the background.  In 2004 I built a 28 by 40 foot garage to get belongings out of storage and closer to home.  Have built 6 cabinets in the garage for auto, electrical, garden, and other dedicated items.  (Dedicated cabinets are about the only way I can ever find what I'm looking for).   Considering rolling cabinets for the back wall to give me more open space for future projects and doiing away with previoously built ones.  Nice job on your project and thought process in design!  Looking forward to version 2.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2013, 08:56 AM »
You've made me realize that when I was calculating my cost for this piece I only allowed for one sheet of plywood and that's obviously wrong.  Last night I was looking for the plans I made, but didn't find them.  I'll have to measure it up and figure it out.  Still willing to dell it for cost, but I want to make sure it's an accurate cost.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2013, 02:30 PM by sprior »

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2013, 02:32 PM »
I measured it up and put the result into MaxCut Pro and it says it could be built with 2 sheets of 3/4 ply.  So that brings the cost of this unit to $280.

Any takers?  I have one interested but not confirmed at the revised price.

Offline chrismorrow

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2013, 01:11 PM »
I built this a couple of years ago. Very similar arrangement to what you have, but I added a flip over table to the end to double as an out feed table for my table saw. When not used for that purpose, I flip it over to use my Kapex. I have a piece of 8020 extrusion that I attached to a couple of dogs to act as a fence. It's easy to clamp a stop on the extrusion too. It has been a very convenient setup for me.
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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2014, 11:23 PM »
I just finished all the joinery for my second version, nothing is glued together yet because I have to take it apart to drill all the drawer mounting holes.  It'll have systainer storage on the front and back, and on the end there will be 4 small drawers for accessories above a small area to hold parallel guides.  If all goes well I'll have this thing glued together and up on wheels tomorrow, then it's just a matter of making the drawers and sliding shelves to put the systainers on.  I'm planning to drill the holes 16mm apart vertically so I'll be able to waste as little space as possible and hopefully put each systainer on its own shelf.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2014, 12:24 AM »
Would you post some photos of your tool storage over your bench and how it was done? Really nice - both!

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2014, 09:03 AM »
I built this a couple of years ago. Very similar arrangement to what you have, but I added a flip over table to the end to double as an out feed table for my table saw. When not used for that purpose, I flip it over to use my Kapex. I have a piece of 8020 extrusion that I attached to a couple of dogs to act as a fence. It's easy to clamp a stop on the extrusion too. It has been a very convenient setup for me.

I like that setup. I have steered clear of having a SCMS in the shop due to space limitations but it may work to have one mounted to the flip top.

In the spring I plan to build a new cart for my MFT and one other cart about 28 by 42, which is all the room I can spare.

Thanks for the idea.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2014, 11:54 AM »
Sakurama, I've posted a full shop tour here.  Enjoy.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2014, 04:51 PM »
That's great to see. I was planning exactly the same idea for my MFT to help me with more storage and mobility. I saw a rolling cart in one of the woodworking magazines and thought the MFT would make a great top for it. I am also thinking about buildig another top to fit the cart, so that I could take the MFT off and add my other top that would match the same "top of work surface" to give me an even greater work surface when needed. I just thought of an idea!! make the top that the MFT sits on, the extra top that just needs to flip over. This gives me a place to store it when not in use.
Thanks for the pictures. Gives me more design ideas.
I was actually sketching up my design today on paper. Glad that I am a draftsman by trade, cause I needed to use the eraser to revise my design after seeing yours. [smile]
I am adding more drawers to hold many of the goodies that I have. I now want to make a cubby to hold systainers of tools being used at present time, instead of setting them on the floor.

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Offline supimeister

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2014, 05:21 PM »
If you wanted to bring this to me in Minnesota I'd be all over it... but since that would be absurd, best of luck finding somebody!

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2014, 05:21 PM »
The version two of my MFT Sysport is now functional with the exception of the Systainer slides and side drawers - I now have my MFT sitting on top of it instead of the old version.  In the new version I created a space 400mm high and about 9" deep for 4 accessory drawers, but when I actually cut the pieces for the 4 drawers they just seemed too deep for how big they are, so I'm making a design change, now they'll be 6 drawers about 120mm high.  I'm not sure I actually need 6 drawers for stuff, but what the heck it'll look better.  I also decided to drive myself nuts and edge band everything on the new cabinet which is way overkill for workshop stuff, but I got a MFK 700 for Christmas so of course everything had to be edge banded...  Hopefully the side drawers will be done and mounted this weekend, then I can work on the pull out shelves for the Systainers.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2014, 05:22 PM »
Yeah, everyone is looking for an excuse to visit Minnesota this week...    [eek]

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2014, 08:55 PM »
Not here in Texas, my plywood is not frozen!!! still.....ply..able.....pun intended!!!

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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2014, 09:42 PM »
Yeah, everyone is looking for an excuse to visit Minnesota this week...    [eek]

hahaha.  Yeah, yeah, yeah.  It IS a little sick when I realize that 0 degrees feels warm to me.  There must be something wrong about that :)

Well, since you are sadly not able to make the drive (shocking), I will have to stick to gleaning what I can from your pics for inspiration for whatever I come up with!

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2014, 09:57 PM »
I'll be happy to share the plans with whoever wants them.  Just wait a little longer while I screw them up - for some reason I seem to have forgotten to cut straight the first time on this project, fortunately I've been mistakenly cutting things big the first time so I can cut again and fix it.  I'm usually better than this.

Offline T.Tom

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2014, 06:36 AM »
Maybe you can sell plans like Paulk did for his workbench.  If  memory serves me correctly, he was getting about $10 or so per copy and there are a lot of MFT's out there.  It would give folks things to think about and modify to there own design.  I would be interested.

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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2014, 11:59 PM »
In my computer field I'm an open source kind of guy, so I'm inclined to just give my MFT plans away, though I'm happy to accept any money you feel like sending me.

I've finished the side accessory drawers and it's down to making a new side saw holder (the one pictured is from the old cabinet) and the sliding shelves for the Systainers.

Here are some pictures of the new unit.  I'm quite happy with how the side drawers came out, at first I was only going to have 4 of them, but 2 drawers stacked in 400mm ended up seeming oddly deep.  In the pictures you can see that it has Systainer storage on both sides.


I should also mention that I'm using Steelex D2608 3-Inch double locking casters that are 100mm from floor to top of plate: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000DD1EE

I've become quite addicted to these particular wheels.

For the Systainer slides I used Shop Fox D3029 14-Inch Full Ext Drawer Slide : http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000DD4A7

For the end accessory drawers I used Amico Pair 9" Full Extension Ball Bearing Telescopic Drawer Slides: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008FZON3C


« Last Edit: February 24, 2014, 11:25 AM by sprior »

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2014, 08:06 PM »
The version 1 of my MFT Sysport is still unclaimed and available for just the cost of the materials $280. 

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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2014, 08:48 PM »
Nice job on V2, Steve.  Well done. 

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2014, 03:13 PM »
Very neat. I have just brought an mft so I think I will be building one of these.

Do you have any plans you could send over?   [wink]

Cheers

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2014, 07:21 PM »
Thats a very good looking setup. You mentioned that you are willing to share the plans - I would be very interested to receive a copy.

Thanks in advance,

Mike

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2014, 07:50 PM »
The version 1 of my MFT Sysport is still unclaimed and available for just the cost of the materials $280. 

I'm pondering a run to Pepe's Pizza from NJ. This could be on the way [smile]

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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2014, 08:10 PM »
I'd be very happy for that.  I went ahead and built the new one because someone said they'd take the old one, but now that I've done it he didn't respond to a message and the original one is taking up space.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2014, 08:19 PM »
The thing about the plans is here they are - now you see my hesitation.   [eek]
The accessory drawer slides are these.
The Systainer slides are these.
The double locking 100mm high casters are here.

I used 5mm dominos for all the joinery.  The accessory drawers ended up 120mm tall arranged 3 high in the 400mm side space.

I used 1" dowel cut into slices that fit in the corner of the folded MFT and screwed to the top to keep it aligned to the top and prevent it from sliding off.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2014, 08:36 PM »
In the pictures you can see that it has Systainer storage on both sides.

sprior - V2 looks lovely.  Any particular reason you chose to go with one-deep drawers on both sides, instead of two-deep drawers on one side ? Isn't it a pain having to go around to get something ?
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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2014, 08:42 PM »
Hadn't considered that, but pulling out the drawer twice as far to get to the inner Systainer doesn't sound as appealing to me, but I guess that would be personal preference.

On a side note:
I originally planned to drill shelf pin holes 16mm on center instead of the regular 32mm to avoid wasting any vertical space, but ended up not drilling any holes and will just mount the Systainer shelves as needed.  I'd have to stagger the holes so they didn't line up.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2014, 12:49 PM »
Here's a cutlist for my MFT Sysport V2.  This includes the 6 accessory drawers, but does not yet include the sliding shelves for the Systainers (haven't built those yet).

Offline Jimmy FineCut

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« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2014, 05:59 PM »
Here's a cutlist for my MFT Sysport V2.  This includes the 6 accessory drawers, but does not yet include the sliding shelves for the Systainers (haven't built those yet).

Thanks for the cut list.

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Offline supimeister

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2014, 06:39 PM »
Thank you!! That is great!

Offline sprior

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« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2014, 07:03 PM »
All the sizes in the cut list do NOT include the thickness of edge banding (which is optional).  I did edge band all the visible edges, but lets face it that's just being OCD.

The drawer bottom sizes assume a 1/4" deep dado in the sides and front/back.   I cut the dados all the way through and then hid them on the front/back with the edge banding.  If you don't edge band then you can stop the dados on the front/back so they don't show, or just don't worry about it.

Offline sprior

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2014, 11:13 AM »
I'm happy to report that forum member Luzzy picked up MFT Cabinet V1 this morning and we had the rushed kind of conversation that Festool fans have when they're trying to tell stories and dump as much info as possible at each other as fast as possible while someone is waiting in the car.   [big grin]

Also some progress on the V2 cabinet - a start on the Systainer shelves.  Ultimately I want each Systainer on its own shelf, but it's going to take a while.  I also went with full extension drawer slides so I could have storage on both sides of the cabinet without expanding its footprint beyond the MFT.  I'm using 1/2" plywood for the shelves to squeeze a little extra vertical space which makes it a little tricky because the slide hardware is wider than the shelf is thick, but I made some 7/32" thick spacers which center the plywood on the slide piece.  What I'm not crazy about is that the slide hardware has more resistance to finally close it, but that means it's more difficult to start to pull out the shelf.  The trick is that I don't have any extra room for a pull for the shelf so it has to be easy to get the shelf out without much to grab on to - time will tell.

At first I thought I was going to make the front stop block match the angle of the front of the Systainer, but it turns out the Systainer is curved and not a simple angle.  I cut the pieces at a 40 degree angle and will stick with it, but a 90 degree cut would have worked just fine.  I beveled the top of the back stop block to make it easier to drop the Systainer in place.

It'll be interesting to see if I can fit a shelf for 3 Systainers on the left side and still have enough clearance.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2014, 11:14 AM »
Sprior,

+1 on thanks for openly sharing ideas, plans, cutlist, materials, etc.  I am re-entering the Festool world after a several year hiatus.  I sold my TS55 and Domino (forunately got virtually of my investment back) and decided to go into a lathe-only shop since instant gratification works best with turning.

Anyway, I kept my favorite sanders, MFT2-1080 and MFT3 tables, and just picked up a new ts55req and new (and improved?) Domino so I'm raring to go.  1st project--mft table with systainer storage. So this thread is over the top for being right on point.

One question though.  I had also decided to go with 1/2" on the systainer platforms.  Why not use lighter duty, typical kitchen drawer (white) slides- they come in full extension.  Wouldnt they fit 1/2" stock better and pull easier?

Thanks

Dave

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2014, 11:32 AM »
Now he tells me...   [big grin]

My first version used cheap white drawer slides, but I've never seen full extension versions of them (got a link?).  The only problem with them was that being 3/4 extension I had to make them deeper in order to be able to pull the Systainer out enough to just about clear the front and open while on the shelf.  That left me with too little room on the back side for another set of shelves.  The only thing I don't like about the slides I went with is that they provide resistance at the end of closing/beginning of opening so since I don't have pulls I end up using both hands to open a drawer.  Though the benefit is that while I'm moving the table the drawers don't open by themselves.

Using the 1/2" material for the shelves did save me the space I needed to stack 3 Systainers in one bay and leave just enough finger room to get at them.

I'm just in the process of finishing up the shelves on the back, then this project will be completely done.  I managed to get the width of the Systainer bays fairly accurate - the shelves have only varied from 400mm to 402mm.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2014, 12:43 PM »
Well, I thought I had seen the cheap whites in 100# full extension, but maybe I dreamt it, since I can't find them again today.

I have, though, used KV slides before and found them less expensive but well-made.  Interesting that the first review says they won't come open by themselves.  I think I will try these:



http://www.amazon.com/Economical-Extension-Drawer-Slide-Rating/dp/B0019FSF4I/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1393263430&sr=1-1&keywords=14%22+full+extension+slides
« Last Edit: February 24, 2014, 12:53 PM by Dave Rudy »

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« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2014, 01:01 PM »
Those should be fine, I guess I didn't do a ton of shopping around and was filtering on what was available via Amazon Prime.

I ended up needing 10 14" full extension slides and 6 accessory drawer slides.  Your mix of Systainers will affect the result and I played around for a bit to figure out which tools go on front and back and which way they stack for maximum space and usage efficiency which involved a couple of compromises.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2014, 01:25 PM »
Sprior
Just throwing out an idea from the sailing world.....
If it was my mft table I would stick with the slides you have, because as you have already said the draws stay closed when on the move. This is good. To address the no finger pull/draw handle issue I would use some 5mm control line (thick string) to make a loop to pull on. This loop could be pulled back tight (don't want loops for things to hang up on, the extractor hose does enough of that on its own!)  by some elastic mounted to the underside of the 1/2" draw platform. I can elaborate more on endless take away systems if you like this idea but fear I may be loosing people already!
Good luck with the rest of the table it's looking great so far
Jamie

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2014, 09:00 PM »
Thanks Jak, I like the idea and will keep it in mind.  I could see two holes in the front retaining piece with an elastic cord through them ending in two little knobs (I can turn on the lathe), so you cna pull either one of them and they will be the other end of the cord for each other.  For now though I'm going to use it as is for a while and see how it works.  I don't want to rush to solve a problem before I know for sure that it is a problem.

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« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2014, 09:01 AM »
Well, I thought I had seen the cheap whites in 100# full extension, but maybe I dreamt it, since I can't find them again today.

I have, though, used KV slides before and found them less expensive but well-made.  Interesting that the first review says they won't come open by themselves.  I think I will try these:


I saw that those were shipping from Woodworker's Hardware. So I went to their website to check prices and for my order (six 8" slides and twelve 14" economical slides) it came out ~$60 cheaper after shipping than Amazon.

« Last Edit: February 28, 2014, 07:58 PM by Amateur Hour »

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« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2014, 03:44 PM »
It's finally totally done!  Here's a picture of the backside.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2014, 03:57 PM »


I saw that those were shipping from Woodworker's Hardware. So I went to their website to check prices and for my order (six 8" slides and twelve 14" economical slides) it came out ~$60 cheaper after shipping than Amazon.





Perfect.  Thanks for the heads up.  I couldn't find it again but since I hadn't ordered the Systainer slides yet, I will jump on those.

Sysport looks great! 

  Did you end up with 10 Systainer slides?

Hope to be posting my pics some day soon!

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2014, 05:43 PM »
Yes, 10 Systainer slides in all.  If I buy any more Festools they're going to have to be stored somewhere else.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2014, 07:59 PM »
The next sys port, obviously.

Offline Luzzy

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2014, 09:10 PM »
Yes, 10 Systainer slides in all.  If I buy any more Festools they're going to have to be stored somewhere else.

you have room:)

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2014, 09:25 PM »
Gotta spend time building things besides tools for tools.  I need to play on the lathe more for a while.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2014, 10:02 PM »
Awesome job and thanks for the photos. Not having a mftyet, I'm curious as to why you haven't removed the legs and have free space under the tabletop for storage? Can one remove the legs and supports and have the mft top still work if you have it raised and supported on the corners?
When funds permit I would love to build a replica of your MFT sys port for my own shop.
Great job.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2016, 05:12 AM by Acrobat »
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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2014, 10:23 PM »
The metal corners of the MFT come down below where the legs fold into, so the design would be a little awkward to use that space, besides those legs aren't trivially easy to remove (at least the one time I tried they didn't unscrew completely).  I also like the idea that if I needed to I can just lift the MFT off the cabinet and take it somewhere (probably won't do that in the foreseeable future).

If you (or anyone else) has any questions or needs a picture from a certain angle let me know and I'll be happy to supply it.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #49 on: April 08, 2014, 10:59 PM »
Thanks, I'll intend to return here at some stage and review it all over again when I finally do start it.
Once again what a great job you've done, makes me feel "guilty as" for not pulling finger and setting up my workspaces better [embarassed]
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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #50 on: April 09, 2014, 03:09 AM »
Well, I thought I had seen the cheap whites in 100# full extension, but maybe I dreamt it, since I can't find them again today.

I have, though, used KV slides before and found them less expensive but well-made.  Interesting that the first review says they won't come open by themselves.

For systainer storage, I am using Hafele 423.75.435 (full extension self closing, bottom mounted, white epoxy) with a ply panel.
They should be ~ $8 per set.
TS75, OF1010, PS300, Domino500, MFT/3, CT22 + WCR, CT MIDI, RS2e, RO150, ETS150, DS400, RO90, Grex 2" micropinner (festool green), and packing everything else into systainers, too.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #51 on: April 09, 2014, 10:35 AM »
Those look good Joseph, If I end up building any more Systainer storage I'll keep them in mind.

The one thing I don't like about the slides I used for V2 is that they "lock in" a little at the end so when you want to pull them out it takes more initial force to get it started.  Do these white slides have that initial resistance?  Not too sure about the self closing part though the open lid would prevent it from closing while I was looking through the stuff in the Systainer.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2014, 10:38 AM by sprior »

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #52 on: April 09, 2014, 10:43 AM »
I rather like that resistance to opening, especially when I roll the sysport around in my shop.  It keeps loaded drawers from spontaneous opening events. 

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #53 on: April 09, 2014, 10:47 AM »
You're right it does help with that.  I don't have handles on my shelves and open them by sticking my fingers on top and pulling on the Systainer lid.  When the TS55 Systainer is empty that resistance causes the Systainer to tip before it overcomes the resistance, though the shelf above it stops it from tipping more and does open the drawer.  I know, first world problems and I'm being picky...

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #54 on: April 09, 2014, 10:56 AM »
I don't have handles either, and I rarely have the tipping issue, although I know what you're talking about.  I'm using Accuride 3832 14" glides which have just enough resistance to opening. 

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2014, 11:16 AM »
I was asked a very good question about my plans in a personal message, so I'll post the answer here as well.  The question was how I handle Domino joints that are at 90 degrees to each other - how the dividers attach to the spine as well as the top and bottom.

It does take some planning.  I made every Domino hole for the entire piece before gluing any of them and I'd dry fit sections and then take everything apart to get at the next spot.  Then I glued as follows:

(see my note after 6 before starting)

1. The vertical divider in the end to the end horizontal support. (this is the only vertical glue for now)
2. The assembly from #1 into the front/back faces
3. The stuff from #2 into the big side
4. The big side into the spine
5. The dividers into the spine
6. The big side onto the other end of the spine

I did the above with Domino's inserted but dry in the bottom edges on top of the bottom piece, then once 1-6 was done I slipped the assembly into the holes in the bottom for alignment.  Then did the same for the top.

After the horizontal joints were dry I'd remove the top (a rubber mallet helps a lot), add glue to the joints to the top and put it back in place, let dry.  Then flip the whole thing over and do it with the bottom.

You work from the inside out.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #56 on: April 23, 2014, 10:33 AM »
I noticed that you use Maxcut for cutlist but hand drew the sysport.  I'm guessing you inputted the dimensions into Maxcut based on the hand drawing.  Or did you use, say sketchup, and exported a .csv file?  Is Maxcut easy to use?

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #57 on: April 23, 2014, 10:41 AM »
I'm a computer programmer so woodworking is partially about me getting away from computers for a change, plus I tend to get VERY nitpicky about making formal CAD drawings perfect, plus I find Sketchup very tedious.  I found that dealing with Sketchup was just a distraction from figuring out what the joints were and doing the math for the dimensions, so I hand draw things so I focus on what's important.

Maxcut is pretty easy (there are some minor tricks about grain direction and you should set up a library of the materials you use right away) so you are correct that I enter the dimensions and it creates the cut layout and I've played with it enough that it does what I would have done by hand.

My experience with Sketchup should be increasing soon because a month ago I got a MakerGear M2 3D printer and want to start designing my own things to print, though it's not yet clear which CAD programs I'll use - Sketchup apparently has its problems with 3D solid modeling.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #58 on: June 17, 2014, 01:31 AM »
I just finished my mft sysport based on sprior's design. 

I made a couple of modifications - it is about 12 mm shorter (my preferred working height) and I added a few additional drawers.

Regarding the sliding shelves, I added a Lee Valley cabinet pull that allows the shelf to be pulled out and it helps "define" the front edge.

 Thanks very much for the plans and the discussion.

Carey


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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #59 on: June 17, 2014, 08:06 AM »
Nicely executed, Carey! 

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #60 on: June 17, 2014, 08:33 AM »
Nice job Carey!  I've got a couple of sheets of kaizen foam but haven't been able to commit to a layout for it yet.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #61 on: June 17, 2014, 02:04 PM »
Some great designs there, well done  :)

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #62 on: June 01, 2015, 06:08 PM »
Carey and Sprior
Excellent job on each. I am currently starting my own mft sysport based on yours. Thanks for the inspiration. I'm gonna copy it closely.

I take it the large front and back Systainer drawer slides are 14" (350mm) Full extension slides? 
And the side drawers, are 9" (230mm) full extension? Any reason for full ext here apart from easy access to entire small drawer? I'm looking at cost saving somewhere so I think going full extn on the systainers is what I want, but maybe not for the small side drawers?

Also can you tell me the size of the drawers of the large systainer front/back and smaller sides drawers? I work it to be 412w for the large (199mm ply used) with slides that take up total of 25mm (1") space. Space of area 437.5mm wide. Is this correct?

Not sure on the side drawer sizes?

One final question I am curious, how come you both did not have a longer front width to the drawers so they cover the view of the sliders?

thanks
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Here's a cutlist for my MFT Sysport V2.  This includes the 6 accessory drawers, but does not yet include the sliding shelves for the Systainers (haven't built those yet).

Hi @sprior , I have a question on your cut list.  I believe page 2 shows the center vertical divider between the two stacks of drawers to be 400mm long.  Is this how you actually cut this piece?  In looking at the picture of the final product it appears to be longer than this but I am not certain.

Thanks.

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The vertical divider that is 400mm long is the one on the end of the unit between the 6 smaller accessory drawers.  I made it not go all the way to the bottom so I'd have a wider space to put my parallel guides.  It would be a nice addition to build a wider drawer for that bottom space, but so far I haven't been motivated to do it.  The unit overall works quite well and I haven't been itching for a version 3.

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The vertical divider that is 400mm long is the one on the end of the unit between the 6 smaller accessory drawers.  I made it not go all the way to the bottom so I'd have a wider space to put my parallel guides.  It would be a nice addition to build a wider drawer for that bottom space, but so far I haven't been motivated to do it.  The unit overall works quite well and I haven't been itching for a version 3.

That's what I thought but is that piece really 400mm long?  It looks like it has to be longer than that.  Here is what my sketchup looks like when I draw that piece to be 400mm.  Thanks.


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I checked and the 400mm is accurate for that center rib, but the proportions of your drawing do look off.  Just spotted it, don't know where you got the 764.5mm height, the pieces in my cutlist are 586mm high.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2016, 11:23 PM by sprior »

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I checked and the 400mm is accurate for that center rib, but the proportions of your drawing do look off.  Just spotted it, don't know where you got the 764.5mm height, the pieces in my cutlist are 586mm high.

Ok, thanks, I figured out my issue.  When I planned my cart height, I forgot to subtract for the height of the MFT3 with legs removed.  However I believe my casters are smaller than yours because my side pieces are now coming up to be 685.  The height of my cart is....

Top - 19mm (3/4" plywood)
skeleton - 685mm
bottom - 19mm
caster pad - 13mm (1/2" plywood)
Casters - 79.4mm

Cart height - 815.4mm
MFT3 height without legs - 80mm
Total height to match original MFT3 height - 895.4mm

Thanks!

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #68 on: July 18, 2016, 12:11 PM »
Sprior,

Beautiful project!  I've been away from this forum for a very long time and just happened to see a Pinterest pin about your project.

I had seen several similar projects years ago when the MFT's had first shown up and always intended to make my own.  I love your version 2 and also Carey's rendition.

Did anyone ever make a Sketch up drawing for this project?  The only sketches that I saw were hand sketches that are hard for me to follow.

Thanks,
Roland

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #69 on: July 18, 2016, 01:43 PM »
Wow, had no idea this was on Pinterest.

Sorry, I never did anything but the hand sketches of the diagram since mine's already built and so far there's nothing I want to change for a version 3.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2017, 01:35 AM »
This is on my list to build :) I can save a lot of space.....

Anyone have dimensions to use pls?

Rgs

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #71 on: October 01, 2017, 02:43 AM »
Go back through this thread, I posted images of my sketched plans with dimensions.

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #72 on: November 14, 2017, 01:33 AM »
Here's a cutlist for my MFT Sysport V2.

Thanks for posting this cutlist - I'm building one.  Can I ask a potentially dumb question?  Why did you use maple faced plywood for the drawer bottoms?

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Re: Give me an excuse to come up with version 2 for this MFT sysport
« Reply #73 on: November 14, 2017, 02:03 AM »
Those drawers are small so they didn't need to be thicker than 1/4".  They can be whatever quarter ply you can get your hands on, not sure if mine are actually maple or birch without double checking.