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Offline JCLP

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« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2018, 12:37 PM »
Found on Kijiji a Kremlin 15C25 ( 15:1) pump with Xcite gun, couple of extra tips, pump fluid and some filters. The seller says it is 5 years old and has only sprayed water based clears through it. Looks fairly clean in the photos. What type of questions should I ask them and what test can I do if I were to move forwrd on this. His asking price is $2400.00 CAD and paid $5100 CAD 5 years ago.

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JC

Wow. Too bad not available here in Canada.

JC


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Such a shame you can’t get Wagner.

Look at finish with the pump and gun



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Offline tjbnwi

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« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2018, 01:14 PM »
Found on Kijiji a Kremlin 15C25 ( 15:1) pump with Xcite gun, couple of extra tips, pump fluid and some filters. The seller says it is 5 years old and has only sprayed water based clears through it. Looks fairly clean in the photos. What type of questions should I ask them and what test can I do if I were to move forwrd on this. His asking price is $2400.00 CAD and paid $5100 CAD 5 years ago.

Cheers,
JC

@JCLP

Such a shame you can’t get Wagner.

Look at finish with the pump and gun



The finish quality has more to do with the gun and operator than the pump. The pump is there to get product to the gun, once there, the magic happens.

When it comes to AAA spray guns the Satajet 3000 K is probably the best out there.

Tom

Offline tjbnwi

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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2018, 02:15 PM »
@tjbnwi

I see didn’t know that. So they are a extra filter you can have in addition to your inline filter

So you can be super filtered  😂.


So you choose filters based on product.



I choose tips based on product and then select correct filter for the tip which is stated by manufacture that’s how I thought you had to do it.

Finer tip = finer filter

I just ordered the tip filters. Should be here for next weekends spraying. I'll report back (if I remember to....)

Tom

Offline JCLP

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« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2018, 09:03 PM »
Well I decided to put the HVLP aside and try my hand at airless. For the last week I have been playing with my Graco Ultra and after 1.5 galons of paint I have not been successful in spraying BM Advance or BM Regal Select. I have tried the following tip sizes, 201, 212, 310, 312 and 514. I either get dry spray, craters or rough surface. I have sprayed thinned 5% and straight out of the can with no success. I have sprayed thick and thin with no success. I have adjusted my distance from 6" up to 12" and altered my speed with no success. There is something I'm doing worng and I have no idea. Thank god I didn't purchase a Graco GX19. I would be divorced and have another boat anchor to get rid off. Time for a garage sale.

Thanks to everyone for putting up with me and offering suggestions and advice. Unfortunately there are gods that are not alowing me to acquire the knowledge on spraying paint.

Maybe Home depot is looking for part time staff for the upcoming spring and summer seasons. I'm certain I know how to use a lawnmower.

Cheers,
JC

Offline Mace

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« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2018, 08:24 PM »
I have a friend who is a great sprayer and he stopped using BM Advance. Said it runs on him like crazy.

I myself never used it but have sprayed other paints. My favorite is PPG Breakthrough. I spray it with my Graco Ultra handheld and it sprays beautifully. I put my gun on number 2 and move on the fast side.  If I'm spraying other paints like SW Pro classic I would put it on around 5-7.

I taught myself how to spray just by doing it and watching YouTube videos helped as well. I used to look around for old pieces of furniture like dresser drawers, bookshelves.... whatever I could find and take it home and practice my spraying.

I never try to cover anything with one coat but fewer light coats.... well now I can do things in one coat if I want but you get a better finish doing multiple coats.

Practice makes perfect.... well if not perfect it does make it a lot better.

Take care

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« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2018, 08:28 PM »
The cure time is a real bummer. It is a nice looking and feeling finish, but rather soft and slow.

Offline tjbnwi

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« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2018, 08:40 PM »
BM Advance, sprayed with a 395 AAA.

Tom

Offline Alan G

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« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2018, 09:00 PM »
Nice

Offline PaulH99

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« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2018, 11:44 AM »
BM Advance, sprayed with a 395 AAA.

Did you spray these in place, or did you spray the parts and assemble after the paint dried?
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Offline JCLP

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« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2018, 03:01 PM »
Very nice Tom. Maybe I should get a Graco 395 Finish Pro II as well.

JC

Offline JCLP

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« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2018, 04:25 PM »
I'm back. Can't stay away from this punishment. Needed a project so I built a new spray booth, 7'x7'. Was able to make air tight and I created an air chamber behind the filters for maximum air extraction. No fear of overspray going into the house. I posted a video on my instagram account, woodworking_by_jc.

Check it out.

Cheers,
JC

Offline gunnyr

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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2018, 04:46 PM »
I'm back. Can't stay away from this punishment. Needed a project so I built a new spray booth, 7'x7'. Was able to make air tight and I created an air chamber behind the filters for maximum air extraction. No fear of overspray going into the house. I posted a video on my instagram account, woodworking_by_jc.

Check it out.

Cheers,
JC


Hah!  My booth ended up 7x7x7 also.  It should really be 7x7x6'8" so that it would fit beneath my garage door tracks.  Mine is made of 5 panels that I bolt together with carriage bolts when in use.  I break it down and store it above my garage door when not in use.  I use furnace filters for the intake and exhaust.  I spray only water based paints and finishes so I am not concerned with combustion. 



I am new to spraying but encouraged with my results so far.  I have sprayed PPG Advantage 900 with limited success, and Deft Satin Poly with much greater success.  I have a MiniMite4 rig with tips from 1.0 to 1.8.  Seems the 1.5 works well with latex for me when thinned 20%.
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Offline tjbnwi

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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2018, 08:48 PM »
BM Advance, sprayed with a 395 AAA.

Did you spray these in place, or did you spray the parts and assemble after the paint dried?

Yes and no.

The parts were primed, assembled, filled, primed, painted, installed, filled, caulked to wall, touch primed, sprayed 2 coats.

The exterior parts are Boral I machined, coated with BM Aura Exterior, finished as above.

Tom

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« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2018, 08:54 PM »
Very nice Tom. Maybe I should get a Graco 395 Finish Pro II as well.

JC

It can be a cruel mistress. Even with my experience it took me a couple of attempts to get the hang of the unit. 6" becomes 12", overlap changes, pass speed changes, listening to what it tells you is a different story in an unknown language until you learn its language.

Tom
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Offline JCLP

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« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2018, 11:43 AM »
Why is this so difficult. Even with an airless, 312 tip, no thinning, 12-14 inches away from surface and no success. I even tried laying thin and laying it down thick and I can get a smooth surface. It's got to be the colour.

totally confused,
JC

Offline Lettusbee

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« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2018, 11:50 AM »
Have you tried a different brand of paint yet?

Sherwin pro classic is easy to get good results with when spraying?

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Offline JCLP

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« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2018, 11:58 AM »
Have you tried a different brand of paint yet?

Sherwin pro classic is easy to get good results with when spraying?

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I have tried spraying pro classic in the past with no success. There is something I'm doing wrong and I can't figure it out. I have done other projects in the past with advance and regal select with great success, that is what is so frustrating. The other issue, is that other brands are not able to match the colour the client wants perfectly. Some pieces that I have to spray are very close to existing grey colour. When others, Sherwin Williams and Dulux try to match the colour they both end up having a redish hue to them. Also, as there is brushing involved, I need to use a pint that is brushable and sprayable. If there was no brushing involved in this project I probably would use Kem Aqua from SW. I have even tried some of the commercial paints from BM, but they too have difficulty matching the colour.

JC

Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2018, 12:41 PM »
Have you tried a different brand of paint yet?

Sherwin pro classic is easy to get good results with when spraying?

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I have tried spraying pro classic in the past with no success. There is something I'm doing wrong and I can't figure it out. I have done other projects in the past with advance and regal select with great success, that is what is so frustrating. The other issue, is that other brands are not able to match the colour the client wants perfectly. Some pieces that I have to spray are very close to existing grey colour. When others, Sherwin Williams and Dulux try to match the colour they both end up having a redish hue to them. Also, as there is brushing involved, I need to use a pint that is brushable and sprayable. If there was no brushing involved in this project I probably would use Kem Aqua from SW. I have even tried some of the commercial paints from BM, but they too have difficulty matching the colour.

JC

If the exact same finish is installed in a different plane it will look quite different. If the pieces you will add are not installed co-planar with the existing stuff close is good enough.

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« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2018, 05:56 PM »
Here is a sample of what I'm getting.
BM Advance, no thinning, colour is Stone Harbor # 2111-50, sheen is pearl ( satin in the US ) tip size is FFLP 314. Airless is Graco Ultra Handheld.
That is what the entire panel, 18"x24", looks like. Any ideas on what is going on?

The image of the sun is my light reflecting off the panel.

Thanks,
JC
« Last Edit: February 14, 2018, 05:59 PM by JCLP »

Offline Pnw painter

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« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2018, 02:03 AM »
What is the substrate? What primer are you using? What grit sand paper are using before spraying Advance? After you finish sanding are you wiping the surface with a rag or blowing it off with compressed air?

It’s also possible that the issue has something to do with your spray booth. Maybe you exhaust fan is pulling too much air when you’re spraying?

Have you discussed the issues you’re having with your BM rep? I’d recommended having them visit your shop and watch you spray a sample.

I’d also try using another product from a different manufacturer. If you get the same results than at least you know it’s not the paint that’s causing the issue.


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Offline Pnw painter

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« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2018, 02:10 AM »
After spraying the paint does paint look like glass when it’s wet? When do all the micro bubbles appear after you’ve sprayed the paint?


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Offline Mikeoutrage

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« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2018, 06:50 AM »
I have been watching this for some time now. I am no painter but have done a little for time to time. Are you sure there are no contaminates from the gun from cleaning? Are you pouring the remainder of the paint back into the can? If so it could have been contaminated the very first use? Baffled. I will keep watching. I liked BM advance when I sprayed it right up to I learned about the 30 day plus cure time.

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« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2018, 07:04 AM »
I have been watching this for some time now. I am no painter but have done a little for time to time. Are you sure there are no contaminates from the gun from cleaning? Are you pouring the remainder of the paint back into the can? If so it could have been contaminated the very first use? Baffled. I will keep watching. I liked BM advance when I sprayed it right up to I learned about the 30 day plus cure time.
The gun is really clean. I even had Fuji provide me with several new guns to see if that wat the issue, but I get the same thing. The remaining paint is thrown away. This is why I am going through so much paint. the paint store loves me.
JC

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« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2018, 07:07 AM »
After spraying the paint does paint look like glass when it’s wet? When do all the micro bubbles appear after you’ve sprayed the paint?


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If you have ever been to a skating rink, the paint looks like when a Zamboni just finishes cleaning the ice. Wet as a lake. The bubbles appear almost immediately when tha paint hits the surface. It really gets bad after about 15 minutes of drying.

JC

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« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2018, 06:21 PM »
Look forward to hearing / seeing what you found out!

Offline Pnw painter

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« Reply #55 on: February 18, 2018, 02:32 AM »
I’d guess your paint was reacting with the primer or fillers you’ve been using. Either way it’ll be interesting to find out what the fix is.


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« Reply #56 on: February 18, 2018, 04:03 PM »
Send me a tin of the paint your using I’ll spray with it and see if I get same problem.

Or better still see if some one local to you will spray with it.
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