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Offline ear3

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Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« on: January 16, 2018, 07:42 AM »
Working on a commission to do a series of table tops for a downtown restaurant.  The design and materials make use of the fortuitous circumstance that an acquaintance recently finished a large outdoor furniture project using a ton of Ipe, and so I was able to recycle all the 12" offcuts he had leftover from the project.  If you've handled Ipe before, you can empathize with what a scary low-riding trek I had getting the materials in my SUV back to my shop, which in the end amounted to well over 1000 individual pieces:

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One of the few times I was grateful for the traffic on the Brooklyn Queens and Long Island Expressways, so I wouldn't have to speed over the rough roads and bend or break an axle carrying that much weight.

The basic design was as simple as could be, using only two shapes -- a right isosceles triangle and a 45 degree angled trapezoid whose short edge matched the shorter sides of the triangle -- to build out the main interior pattern:

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I'm building a dozen or so table tops in total, mostly in the 2'x2' range, but I also had to build two large 49"x49" ones, so I decided to start with those (note that the pictures below are mixed from the assembly of both tables).

The only fixed measurement I had to make was the width at which I would rip the pieces.  Everything else was determined by sneaking up on the cuts to set the stops on the Kapex just so to get the proper fit:

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You'll observe that I had to make a zero clearance insert and fence for this project, which obviously required as much precision as I could engineer.  The sliding action of the Kapex was also absolutely essential to get as clean a cut as possible.  A non-slider with a fresh blade might have been able to do some initial cuts, but Ipe has a way of wreaking havoc on blades, and so as soon as there was any dulling I imagine a straight chopsaw would have problems producing a decent cut (I swapped in a fresh blade at the start of the project, and have already had to change out for a new one after doing all the pieces for the large tables, though fortunately I'm expensing a new set of blades).

Here's a little OCD action of the pieces for one table set up in my downtime (each large table has about 220 individual pieces):

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I used some decent wood flooring adhesive to bond the pieces to the plywood substrate:

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This adhesive had the best combination of open time and strong initial tack so that I could finagle the pieces into place without too much gapping.

I had never worked with Ipe before, and so was pleasantly surprised to find so much color variation between the pieces.
 I tried to use this to my advantage when setting the pattern, avoiding placing similarly colored pieces contiguously.

Once the interior pattern was established and dry, I trimmed the edges of the square ever so slightly with the tracksaw to get a smooth, straight edge:

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Some slight variations in the thickness of some of the pieces, combined with the occasional uneveness created when using this sort of mastic adhesive, meant that I got a vigorous workout with the RO150 and some 80 grit granat operating in gear driven mode to get a truly flat surface.

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Then applied the outer border, though this time just using Pamtite in my Fastenmaster glue gun:

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Next up, the finishing touches...
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2018, 08:24 AM »
It was after I filled the top (because of the color variation, I gave up trying to get a color match and just went with walnut wood filler), that I realize that we had made the wrong call on the substrate.   They wanted to use 1/2" ply to keep the thickness of the table reasonable, so I picked up some 1/2" BB.  In the back of mind, however, I knew this might present problems for the large tables, but I didn't press the issue, though in retrospect I should have.  Sure enough, as soon as I started moving the top around, there was enough flex left in the piece that the filler cracked:

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After a couple of aborted attempts to fix the cracking, I decided that I would just finish up the tops and get them over to the restaurant, reinforce them with another piece of plywood, then do a final fill on site.  The restaurant hasn't yet opened, so I fortunately have that leeway.

Because there was some possible variation with the final width once the pieces were in place, and also that the final design called for knocking off the corners and notching one of the sides, I had cut the ply substrate at 50" so I could trim and square to the final 49" and make the necessary cuts to match design.  This was done with the tracksaw and the HKC

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with the notch cleaned up with a flush cut saw and chisel work.

After doing a smooth sanding, I got around to edging the ply substrate.  For the edging I decided to get even more maniacal on using every part of the pig, and so ripped off some quarter inch sticks from some of the other pieces of Ipe in the stack (those pieces will be used for the smaller tables, which call for widths of under 2", which gives me a good 3/4" excess to play with)

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I passed them through the thickness planer to remove the beveled edge that is standard on Ipe stock, ending up with a group of 3/16 pieces:

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Used a rabbeting bit on the 2200 to create an 1/8" recess in the ply:

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Then glued in the appropriate sized pieces with fast acting 2P10:

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I left too much of a lip to flush trim the piece to the bottom of the ply with the edging plate on the 1010, so I initially started working them down with a spokeshave to provide enough clearance for the router setup.  I was having so much fun though that I ended up doing the entire flushing by hand, which probably didn't take that much longer after you account for setup time on the router:

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I then used a spiral bit on the 1010 to flush trim the edging to the hardwood top:

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We'll have to see how it works next time I use the bit, but I could swear that by the end of the second table, it felt like the bit was struggling significantly to complete the task, which would make it yet another (expensable!) casualty to Ipe's density.  There was no burning or observable reduction in cut quality, however, so we'll see.
 
I'm not sure of the long-term wisdom of CA glue on Ipe, so I may go back and shoot some pins in the edging on site.

I delivered the completed tops last night to the restaurant, and will split my time the rest of the week between the shop -- working on the smaller tables -- and the restaurant to finish up the large ones:

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The remaining question is how to finish these.  There's obviously no concern about weathering, since they will be in a protected, windowless space, albeit an environment where wet and yucky stuff gets spilled on them.  I've been reading up on Ipe finishes, and understand that they need a penetrating oil rather than something that just sits on the top, and that the wood should be cleaned with some kind of solvent prior to the application of the finish to reduce interference by the natural oils in the wood.  The branded Ipe oil I've seen seems to produce a significant darkening of the color, which is not necessarily what I want.  Has anyone tried using Surfix on Ipe?  My other thought is Rubio Monocoat, which I only used for the first time a month ago, and was very happy with the results.  I've gotten confirmation from the company that it can be used on Ipe.  In some ways, the Rubio might be preferable because it results in minimal color change, and I want to try to preserve as much as possible the current natural color variation.  They also have a branded Raw Wood Cleaner that is supposed to be less toxic than straight acetone or other equivalent solvent, which would solve the problem of having to apply a solvent in relatively enclosed space.  Any other options/suggestions?
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2018, 09:38 AM »
Really beautiful tables!  I haven't worked with ipe, so I can't give any advice, but you might want to check the compatibility of the cleaning solution you decide to use and the wood filler.  Would hate to see one remove or soften the filler.

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2018, 11:06 AM »
Edward -

Those look great!  Fantastic use of offcuts in a really simple repeatable build process.

What's the triangular notch in the one side of the top for?  Just a design detail or something else?

Thanks for the step-by-step photos. 

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2018, 11:20 AM »
Edward, that is a really cool looking table.  As for the finish, I would think of CPES or epiphanes, or a marine type finish.  Even though these won't be subjected to the elements, I'm sure drinks or food will be spilled on them, so some protection may be needed.
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2018, 12:30 PM »
Interesting idea, on a side note did you happen to take a moisture reading on the Ipe. Any that I have used is not even close to being dry enough for interior use. It usually arrives in NA around 18 to 20 percent. Very hard wood to finish because of the oils and lack of any kind of penetration because of the density. Most restaurants also use cleaners that typically strip all but the strongest finishes like 2K polys epoxies and other more toxic stuff. Good Luck.

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2018, 12:38 PM »
Thanks @neilc .  The notch was a design detail to facilitate the seating of another person on that side.

@kcufstoidi Thanks for the heads up on those issues.  I did not, unfortunately, take a moisture reading, though maybe there's some additional drying that would have taken place since the offcuts were lying around for a couple of months before I picked them up?  Good point on the restaurant-specific concerns as well -- I will take that into consideration when choosing the finish and in giving handling and care instructions to the business (which they will most likely ignore, but I will at least be on record).

Edward -

Those look great!  Fantastic use of offcuts in a really simple repeatable build process.

What's the triangular notch in the one side of the top for?  Just a design detail or something else?

Thanks for the step-by-step photos. 

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2018, 01:08 PM »
Surfix Outdoor oil on Ipe.

They have been outside for the last 3 years. I asked my brother how they're holding up he said they're fine. He did retreat the finish once with Surfix that I sent with the tops.

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2018, 01:40 PM »
Nice stuff Edward... [thumbs up]

You’re a real trooper when it comes to cutting, handling, glueing & placing all those small pieces. That would drive me bonkers.  [not worthy]

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2018, 02:40 PM »
Tom interesting on the Surfix oil. We've tried the Penofin that's recommended for Ipe and its garbage, followed all there prep and application instructions and only get about 3 months in Southern Ontario before it looks like crap. To get more than a year would be bonus. Unfortunately I believe Surfix is Unobtainium this side of the border.

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2018, 03:18 PM »
Great story and work. Hope you were paid a lot.

 I built a bunch of Ipe benches. You are right about dulling saw blades! That’s incredibly tough wood. I think the common term is Iron Wood.

My benches (10) have been outdoors for about 3 years with no finish. They are gray in color,, but completely intact. Ipe seems to be immune to weather and bugs.

We have wasps here that spit on wood and remove small strips to build their nests. They can’t attack Ipe. I see them trying, but they can’t peel anything off.

Please post your results with the finish. I wonder if spar varnish would work if you stripped the surface oils off before applying?
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2018, 04:29 PM »
 @tjbnwi Thanks Tom for the example of Ipe with Surfix.  Did you do any prep for removing surface oils prior to application?

Surfix Outdoor oil on Ipe.

They have been outside for the last 3 years. I asked my brother how they're holding up he said they're fine. He did retreat the finish once with Surfix that I sent with the tops.

Tom
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2018, 04:32 PM »
@tjbnwi Thanks Tom for the example of Ipe with Surfix.  Did you do any prep for removing surface oils prior to application?

Surfix Outdoor oil on Ipe.

They have been outside for the last 3 years. I asked my brother how they're holding up he said they're fine. He did retreat the finish once with Surfix that I sent with the tops.

Tom

Wipe with acetone, let air dry, applied Surfix.

Tom

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2018, 06:33 PM »
I second @tjbnwi s opinion.
IPE Mailbox with Surfix outdoor, 1 year in use, still as new.


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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2018, 10:30 AM »
Let me just add as a side note, my 30 tooth Forrest WWII table saw blade has held up brilliantly so far, and it was far from freshly sharpened when I started ripping the Ipe.  I've gone ahead and ordered their 20T WWII dedicated ripping blade to have as a spare just in case (my other spare TS blades are higher tooth count), but I've been really impressed so far, as this is certainly the toughest, sustained cutting I've ever thrown at it. 

Great story and work. Hope you were paid a lot.

 I built a bunch of Ipe benches. You are right about dulling saw blades! That’s incredibly tough wood. I think the common term is Iron Wood.

My benches (10) have been outdoors for about 3 years with no finish. They are gray in color,, but completely intact. Ipe seems to be immune to weather and bugs.

We have wasps here that spit on wood and remove small strips to build their nests. They can’t attack Ipe. I see them trying, but they can’t peel anything off.

Please post your results with the finish. I wonder if spar varnish would work if you stripped the surface oils off before applying?
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2018, 10:16 AM »
Surfix Outdoor oil on Ipe.

They have been outside for the last 3 years. I asked my brother how they're holding up he said they're fine. He did retreat the finish once with Surfix that I sent with the tops.


Nice looking table Tom... [thumbs up]  What type of base did you mount it to? I assume that's also made from Ipe.

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2018, 10:28 AM »
Surfix Outdoor oil on Ipe.

They have been outside for the last 3 years. I asked my brother how they're holding up he said they're fine. He did retreat the finish once with Surfix that I sent with the tops.


Nice looking table Tom... [thumbs up]  What type of base did you mount it to? I assume that's also made from Ipe.

Steel tube pedestal.

Tom

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2018, 11:21 AM »
EAR and Tom, those are both fine tables.  I have a bunch of Ipe that I rescued from a pool job at one one my landscaping sites. I was thinking to make cutting boards and serving trays and maybe a couple of coffee tables.  The pieces were prefinished for outdoor exposures. I got to thinking the finish might not be safe for such projects. What can i use to remove the finish? Or should I just change my thinking about what type projects to make?
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2018, 01:06 PM »
I would guess the finish hasn’t penetrated much into the Ipe. A light sanding might be enough.
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2018, 01:14 PM »
I wouldn't make cutting boards out of such a hard material, not very nice on kitchen knives.

Also I think bamboo is poor for cutting boards too. It grows and absorbs a lot of natural abrasives.

EAR and Tom, those are both fine tables.  I have a bunch of Ipe that I rescued from a pool job at one one my landscaping sites. I was thinking to make cutting boards and serving trays and maybe a couple of coffee tables.  The pieces were prefinished for outdoor exposures. I got to thinking the finish might not be safe for such projects. What can i use to remove the finish? Or should I just change my thinking about what type projects to make?
Tinker
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2018, 05:03 PM »
When I was researching Ipe for my bench project, I found warnings that the wood and the sawdust can cause serious allergic reactions. I don’t know if the wood would “infect” food coming in contact with it.
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2018, 05:07 PM »
Just saw this---I would not make a cutting board out of Ipe.

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2018, 08:43 PM »
I see nothing on FTUSA site that specifically states the outdoor oil is food safe.  If one is using this product for one’s own purposes there are no restrictions on materials that can be used (conscience is the guide), BUT if one is catering to the public that is another story. I would not use any material for areas of food contact unless I had on file the proper MSDS to protect me.
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2018, 11:31 PM »
Thanks for the tip.

I see nothing on FTUSA site that specifically states the outdoor oil is food safe.  If one is using this product for one’s own purposes there are no restrictions on materials that can be used (conscience is the guide), BUT if one is catering to the public that is another story. I would not use any material for areas of food contact unless I had on file the proper MSDS to protect me.
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2018, 08:22 AM »
Thank you to all who gave food safe warnings. I had already figured that the oil might no be safe. Y'all reinforced my thoughts. I had not thought of extra wear and tear to cutlery. I think those scraps of Ipe will sit and rest in my barn for a while longer.
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2018, 10:16 AM »
I see nothing on FTUSA site that specifically states the outdoor oil is food safe.  If one is using this product for one’s own purposes there are no restrictions on materials that can be used (conscience is the guide), BUT if one is catering to the public that is another story. I would not use any material for areas of food contact unless I had on file the proper MSDS to protect me.

As a matter of fact, the Festool Technical Data Sheet #223, points out these lines in bold letters.

Contains cobalt carboxylate - may trigger allergic reactions.

Contains iodine propynyl butyl carbamate - may trigger allergic reactions.

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2018, 06:36 PM »
I see nothing on FTUSA site that specifically states the outdoor oil is food safe.  If one is using this product for one’s own purposes there are no restrictions on materials that can be used (conscience is the guide), BUT if one is catering to the public that is another story. I would not use any material for areas of food contact unless I had on file the proper MSDS to protect me.


As a matter of fact, the Festool Technical Data Sheet #223, points out these lines in bold letters.

Contains cobalt carboxylate - may trigger allergic reactions.

Contains iodine propynyl butyl carbamate - may trigger allergic reactions.
Thanks for posting that. I kinda figured SurFix was a no go for restaurant applications.  When dealing with the health department, it really pays to dot i’s and cross t’s.  I did a restaurant project ONCE, never again.  Too many hoops.
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2018, 07:24 PM »
Nice tables, Edward.  It looks a fun puzzle to put together.  You seem to tackle some challenging and cool projects. 

I did not see that anyone posted here about Osmo Polyx Hard Wax Oil 3054 Matte Clear.  It is formulated for floors and furniture.  For my take, it would be ideal for your table tops.  It is stain resistant and safe enough for children's toys. It is a two-coat process that you apply similar to Surfix products.  It dries ready for use in less than 48 hours.  If a repair is ever needed, just clean and apply another coat.

I buy mine online from World Class Supply in Delaware.

https://worldclasssupply.com/store/Polyx-Hard-Wax-Oil-3054-By-Osmo-NA.html?category_id=274

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2018, 11:55 AM »
Thanks for the suggestion.  My default oil finish up until a year ago was actually Osmo, but I switched over to Surfix because I preferred the relatively greater richness it brought out in the wood.  Given the commercial concerns about Surfix, however, I will look to see if the Osmo might qualify as an appropriate finish.

Nice tables, Edward.  It looks a fun puzzle to put together.  You seem to tackle some challenging and cool projects. 

I did not see that anyone posted here about Osmo Polyx Hard Wax Oil 3054 Matte Clear.  It is formulated for floors and furniture.  For my take, it would be ideal for your table tops.  It is stain resistant and safe enough for children's toys. It is a two-coat process that you apply similar to Surfix products.  It dries ready for use in less than 48 hours.  If a repair is ever needed, just clean and apply another coat.

I buy mine online from World Class Supply in Delaware.

https://worldclasssupply.com/store/Polyx-Hard-Wax-Oil-3054-By-Osmo-NA.html?category_id=274
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2018, 04:10 PM »
Just delivered the next tranche of 25" tables.  We're still trying to decide on the finish,  but I did a sample of the Rubio Monocoat on one of them.  All oil finishes will bring out the red in the Ipe, so there's not much hope of preserving that great lime green you get on some of the pieces, but in my experience Monocoat generally causes the least amount of darkening.  They are going to double check if Monocoat is even suitable for a restaurant environment, but I just wanted to give them a sense of what the final color range will be.  We have to come up with some sort of solution in the next day or two, as there's a photo shoot of the room scheduled this weekend to start building a media kit for when the restaurant opens. Ultimately, though, they are going to make the final call on the finish, apply it, and then take responsibility for it.
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2018, 06:31 PM »
I went to a seminar with reps from Rubio presenting, the main things they wanted to impress was that Rubio was indeed a single coat product and subsequent coats do not bond to each other, do not over sand and follow their application  instructions for applying the oil and , the only cleaner that should be used is their own, reason the detergents in other cleaners breakdown the Rubio oils and destroy the finish. Interested to know how you make out.

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2018, 12:57 AM »
Super cool tables, looking forward to the finished product.
Good luck on the finish choice

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2018, 01:15 AM »
Very nice use of the grain and color variation in creating the patterns.  I'd like to see pics of the final pictures and the tables in situ.

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2018, 09:37 PM »
@HarveyWildes   Here's a couple of pictures I took this evening after delivering 4 more tables.  I'm going to get better quality photos in a few weeks, as their having a professional photo shoot done.

Very nice use of the grain and color variation in creating the patterns.  I'd like to see pics of the final pictures and the tables in situ.
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2018, 09:43 PM »
Those look great, Ed -

Did you end up having to replace the filler?  It does a nice job of framing each piece.  But I'm curious how you kept that consistent gap.  I thought you cut everything and just started assembling and did not notice in your pics that you were including a consistent gap with every piece.

Thanks for sharing - I'm sure the restaurant owners will be delighted with what you have created!

neil

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2018, 09:50 PM »
Thanks @neilc I did redo the filler on the large tables (and fortified them with extra ply on the underside), but no extra measures taken to maintain a consistent gap.  It just kind of worked out that way when I set the pieces in the adhesive.  I think accurate cutting was probably the key, which left a hairline gap between most of the pieces.  If you look at the smaller triangles, you can see some slight variations in the gap (either larger or smaller).

The owners are pretty happy with it, fortunately.  Supposedly Vogue magazine is going to do a piece on the space, so I'll add a post on that if and when it comes out.


Those look great, Ed -

Did you end up having to replace the filler?  It does a nice job of framing each piece.  But I'm curious how you kept that consistent gap.  I thought you cut everything and just started assembling and did not notice in your pics that you were including a consistent gap with every piece.

Thanks for sharing - I'm sure the restaurant owners will be delighted with what you have created!

neil
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2018, 10:49 PM »
Nice stuff Edward...thanks for posting...they are as grand as I had anticipated.

Love ❤️ the 3 dimensionality of the tables. You’ve ratcheted it up another notch. I still remember the first light project...that was the beginning. You keep bumping up the bar a peg at a time. Kudos to you 🙏🙏🙏

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2018, 01:26 AM »
Thanks for the pics.  If Vogue does a spot, hope you get mentioned by name.  There's is a lot of interesting décor in that restaurant, and the tables look right at home.  I love it when someone (you in this case) redeems another person's castoffs in such a way that you can't tell.

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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2018, 07:00 AM »
A really fine piece of work. It fits in with the architecture of the rest of the room. It will be great advertisement for you, I am sure.

I do have a question.  I recently did a couple of lazy susans with pie shaped pieces to look like a pizza. I glued all to a ply wood backer. The solid wood pie pieces were about 3/8 inch thick and the plywood backer was 1/4 inch.  After the whole structure sat around in the shop for less than a week, it started to cup, or dish. The pie pieces were scraps that had been piled in a waste container for a long time.
The dishing was probably caused by uneven moisture content between the solid wood pieces and the plywood backer. Eventually, they settled somewhat but a slight dishing remained. I have not added the spinner to the bottom of one.  That proved interesting as it will spin on its own without the spinner.

The question: Did you find any cupping on your tables with using so many pieces in your design against plywood backer? It appears, in the pics, that all tops were stable and remained very flat.
Tinker
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Re: Ipe Offcut Table Tops
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2018, 04:30 PM »
@Tinker Thanks!  The tables have remained flat so far.  I anticipated this and used the flooring adhesive, which allows for some flex, rather than regular wood glue.  This way the natural expansion and contraction of the wood won't pull or stretch the plywood.  But I should have used a thicker plywood on the larger tables, as they don't have quite the rigidity they should have for this application.  We ended up adding an additional 3/4 backing on them before attaching them to the bases, and so they are nice and solid now.

A really fine piece of work. It fits in with the architecture of the rest of the room. It will be great advertisement for you, I am sure.

I do have a question.  I recently did a couple of lazy susans with pie shaped pieces to look like a pizza. I glued all to a ply wood backer. The solid wood pie pieces were about 3/8 inch thick and the plywood backer was 1/4 inch.  After the whole structure sat around in the shop for less than a week, it started to cup, or dish. The pie pieces were scraps that had been piled in a waste container for a long time.
The dishing was probably caused by uneven moisture content between the solid wood pieces and the plywood backer. Eventually, they settled somewhat but a slight dishing remained. I have not added the spinner to the bottom of one.  That proved interesting as it will spin on its own without the spinner.

The question: Did you find any cupping on your tables with using so many pieces in your design against plywood backer? It appears, in the pics, that all tops were stable and remained very flat.
Tinker
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