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 only photo i have at the moment but waiting for the quartz tops to go on and a little more work by me and it will be finished in 2-3 week and hope the folding sliding doors will be in by then too... |
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2011, 04:12 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2011, 04:14 PM » |
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1. Are the back of them units just going to have separate panels not one long panel? 2. The far right corner I can see block work im sure. How come da aint been plasterboarded yet before kitchen fitted 3......... ill have to do some more looking and come back to you JMB |
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2011, 04:24 PM » |
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yeah seperate panels as requested by customer, yeah i tore the plasterboard off becaus it was sooo out of square because the blockwork was out and the plasterer just followed it!
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2011, 04:28 PM » |
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Oh dear! Oh Dear!
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2011, 04:30 PM » |
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the panels were down to cost aswell as the panel was alot more as it wasnt off the shelf. they are sat 300mm under a brekkie bar anyway
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2011, 05:10 PM » |
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Did look at doing the mistral worktops but they wanted quartz. i do have 1 coming up with mistral(30mm acrylic) do you think it isworth getting a rotex and domino for this project? i currently have a metabo sander sxe 450. wondered if its worth the upgrade
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2011, 05:44 PM » |
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Good start. Is this the job in Toton?
Have you seen mirka ceros sanders? That's going to be my next sander.
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2011, 05:52 PM » |
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yeah it is alex, did i start a thread before? i cant remeber lol. been a bit of hassle as the kitchen company i use drilled all the larder doors wrong doh.
i have looked at the mirka sanders yeah. i forgot about them and think it may be a better pruchase for me than the festool sander
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2011, 06:18 PM » |
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well just had another job swap from quartz to mistral so that will be 2 job so may get the domino for the return end panels. maybe leave the sander for a little while yet as need to make some money
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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2011, 03:13 AM » |
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Well had an email last night to confirm the worktops are being template on monday so i will be back there to finish the cab works. Looking forward to seeing this 1 done.
I will dig the photos of the steel work and roof later when i get home
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2011, 05:29 PM » |
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2011, 07:00 PM » |
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Is that the finished floor? If not, how are they going to finish under the cabinets?
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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2011, 07:38 PM » |
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Is that the finished floor? If not, how are they going to finish under the cabinets?
why under the cabinets? Often units are fitted before the flooring goes down two main reasons! 1. To save on cost of flooring as you need less of it and less work! 2. you can work with out worrying your going to damage the floor. Then once the flooring is fitted a plinth board(kickboard) is fitted under the units so you cant see underneath I prefer flooring to be fitted before installing the kitchen. 1. If they get a new kitchen or change the layout of the kitchen at least the flooring runs through and they wont have to redo the entire flooring unless they where lucky and could find a match to finish the flooring off at the time but thats very unlikely. 2. I think it can be quicker laying the floor as their is less cutting round and you have a free open space to work to lay the flooring. I always want the flooring to be fitting right through where the dishwasher,washing-machine, fridge,freezer go as it makes it easier to get them in and out and sometimes they have little adjustment and need packing up if the flooring does not run through. JMB |
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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2011, 07:43 PM » |
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The flooring choice could also come into play. In Europe - where the floating / laminate floor originated - you would not want to install your cabinets on the floor to allow the floor to "float" without the weight trapping it. Those floors are also typically pre finished.
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The flooring choice could also come into play. In Europe - where the floating / laminate floor originated - you would not want to install your cabinets on the floor to allow the floor to "float" without the weight trapping it. Those floors are also typically pre finished.
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Yes forgot to mention that one! Yeah the floor needs to move freely and so has to be installed after! I did a kitchen and a floating floor not to long ago so I should of remembered! JMB |
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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2011, 10:25 PM » |
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The flooring choice could also come into play. In Europe - where the floating / laminate floor originated - you would not want to install your cabinets on the floor to allow the floor to "float" without the weight trapping it. Those floors are also typically pre finished.
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I get the cost cutting measure, but this point doesn't make sense to me. Surely you can put furniture on laminate floor; wouldn't that have the same effect? I really enjoy the international aspect of this board. Seeing how people build things in other places is pretty cool! I also enjoy learning all the different terminology associated with construction. |
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yeah it is dont to the flooring which was going to be amtico/karnden but after i fitted it and came back a week later to finish a few bits they said we have decided to go for an engineered floor. hmmm this means the units are the wrong height and i would have prefered it in first, never mind. i always prefer the flooring to go in first but it is always a cost thing in my experience.
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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2011, 07:59 AM » |
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How did you finish the cabinet doors?
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« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2011, 12:26 PM » |
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everything is off the shelf, no point making something that someone can make cheaper and better than yourself. They are a laquer finish door and the finish is very good high gloss
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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2011, 05:45 PM » |
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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2011, 06:38 PM » |
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Sound!
Surprised the floor didnt go down before the work top returns went on the sides now you have to try and cut round them but then how do you leave a expansion gap
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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2011, 06:42 PM » |
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Well it was mentioned but i dint fit the tops and im not fitting the floor so it isnt my problem now
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« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2011, 02:15 PM » |
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folding sliding doors go in tomorrow
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Look nice!
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« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2012, 04:25 PM » |
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Looks good.
They need a cabinet for their video boxes.
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Surprised the floor didnt go down before the work top returns went on the sides now you have to try and cut round them but then how do you leave a expansion gap
Looks good. Clean and simple. Do you know what the final solution was in regards to what jmb mentions above?? |
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So no room made for expansion in the floor?
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yeah theres room for it at the other end
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Its engineered so not to bad! But I had a solid floor fail by just leaving expansion on side only. I won't be doing that again! Jmb |
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Heres another Started this morning on this porcelanosa kitchen. View this morning  End of the day  Nice touch on the sink units  Metal legs  Thing i didnt like was the dead size end panels so they have a gap as scribing to get them back might impact on appliances but i dont know because they aint there. |
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I hate end panels dead on size! Who ever decided that was a good idea are a complete IDIOT! and need shooting really! they need their head kicking in! any way! In the past I have made a feature out of it by sticking a 40mm or so piece of end panel to scribe to the wall and then stick another 40mm or what ever you want at the front but have it set back then stick the dead on size panel on top looks quite nice! BUT you do end up needing to get another end panel to cut up other ways to get around it but CAULK is not the option if its above 5mm  JMB |
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These are high gloss black panels so you cant really see the gap. Gonna tape up and silicone it up with black. Its the option the customer wanted
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Could u not use some black laminate? The black silicone will stick out like a sore thumb as it won't have the gloss finish to it.
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Well its been discussed and they decided on black silicone. They may change thier minds after its done. But they not prepared to wait 6 weeks for a bigger replacements
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Well its been discussed and they decided on black silicone. They may change thier minds after its done. But they not prepared to wait 6 weeks for a bigger replacements
Make them Dean!!! I would! lol JMB |
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A sheet of Black laminate shouldn't take 6 weeks to get.
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A sheet of Black laminate shouldn't take 6 weeks to get.
When its all made in spain it does, this kitchen cost them a fortune, the cabs are a high quality but the doors not so much IMHO. |
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I can drive from the west to the east of Ireland in two hours and pick up a sheet black gloss laminate and then stick it on with contact adhesive. A sheet 10' x 4' sheet of it shouldn't cost a fortune.
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I can drive from the west to the east of Ireland in two hours and pick up a sheet black gloss laminate and then stick it on with contact adhesive. A sheet 10' x 4' sheet of it shouldn't cost a fortune.
Dude ffs. I work for labour only on this, if the customer doesnt want to pay for it they dont want to pay for it! |
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Sorry about the rant, i would love to replace it, pity the plasterer cant bloody dab the walls straight, it suddenly bends away jus before the last unit, we scribed them back so far but looking at the appliances its was getting too tight so customer made the choice. Its only 500mm long so its not massive.
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It's a shame other people in their trade don't take the same care and attention to detail like we do to our work. It takes a few extra minutes to it right rather than wrong.
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It seems to be always yhe plasterer for me. The boards kick out 5mm in the bottom 400mm
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I always expect the room to be as bent as £9 note, that way im pleasantly surprised if I can set my worktop jig with a square instead of a bevel. Finished a flat in rotherhithe last week where the old kitchen wall cabs were just screwed to the plasterboard no expansion anchors or even standard plaserboard fixings. The fact its lasted 20yrs is a miracle.
They never vented the intergrated fridge/freezer which scortched all the plasterboard behind it and they plumbed in a washing machine infront of a smashed socket. Complete deathtrap.
Back wall was 25mm batten masonry nailed to cast concerete with plasterboard nailed to it which was as solid as a cup of soup.
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Thing is we have to compete against those that are utterly useless on price.
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Always the way. As a joiner we've had it with knobs making things in there garden shed for next to nothing now we have joinery being made in eastern europe and even china on big jobs. Chippys have always had to put up with the handyman bodgers. Its just nice to have enough work on to be able to tell people that if they want it done properly thats what it will cost. If you want it cheap your on your own.
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You should go to westward for your multipoint stuff then mate as by the sounds of that you are paying way too much!
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You should go to westward for your multipoint stuff then mate as by the sounds of that you are paying way too much!
Westwards, thats it, been racking my brain for that name for ages, when jmb and i first spoke about this lock i was going to point him there but ouldnt think on the name, and yeas they are cheaper there, they have some real good deals. |
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« Reply #56 on: August 08, 2012, 02:33 PM » |
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£140?  ?? jesus christ how do you make money spending that much on a lock? (then again I am currently making a house of doorsets where the hinges cost £100 per leaf) you can half that at westwards and there locks are top knotch, they have reasonable sized keeps not silly aluminium grade keeps with 2mm clearance. There delivery is fantastic but there website is crap utter crap so your better off phoning them. |
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jmbfestool
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« Reply #57 on: August 08, 2012, 04:10 PM » |
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£140? ?? jesus christ how do you make money spending that much on a lock? (then again I am currently making a house of doorsets where the hinges cost £100 per leaf) you can half that at westwards and there locks are top knotch, they have reasonable sized keeps not silly aluminium grade keeps with 2mm clearance. There delivery is fantastic but there website is crap utter crap so your better off phoning them. With slave lock slickest one iv seen so far others have a much large catch plates which I hate! and other require a 40mm thick timber fixed to the slave door which I also hate. Make money lol Dude im payed per hour or per day. JMB |
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knight joinery
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« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2012, 04:22 PM » |
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Ahh top and bottom shootbolts work of the devil those things absolutely hate them, I remember the mila hardware locks with those things dirt always got caught in the bottom hole and if the door moved the top one would jam and the lock wouldent budge.
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