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« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2007, 09:17 PM »

Without trying to start an argument, I would like to challenge your above comment Dave...


You may not be trying to start one, but it is very likely that an argument will be the result!  The subject of Global Warming/Climate Change is a very controversial topic where people on both sides defend their view rigorously. Discussing it on a public forum is like discussing race, religion and politics - it will just result in heated argument and bad feeling between participants, and other members will get fed up with both camps for discussing the subject in a forum entitled "Festool Tools in Action".

I might even go as far as suggesting that Global Warming/Climate Change is added to the following paragraph of Matthew's "General Forum Rules and Etiquette":

Avoid discussions about race, ethnicity, gender, religion, and politics.  There are times when these topics can lead to enjoyable discussions, but please tread lightly here!  Don't say anything about someone else that you would not like someone to say about you!

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I don't disagree with you Forrest that an argument may ensue.  I don't want to argue. If i did I would have begun an email with something like "your ignorant *&%&@*, you are wrong, and I am right, you should be ashamed of yourself for taking in breath." Which I did not! As fun as that would be for some members to watch, it is an argumentative response - no question, and it would certainly detract from the enjoyment of the FOG for the majority.

I indicated in my comments about "discussing until cows come home", that rational discussion is still a good thing even though it can get a bit dicey. But this is an important topic from whatever POV people take, and not discussing it is worse. We should not be afraid to speak-up or seek fair debate on controversial topics.

I disagree with you that the environment is akin to race, ethnicity, gender, and religious topics. It may be political to some, but that is not how I see it. Unlike the other topics that should be avoided as per the FOG rules, selection of timber resources, like the selection of the resources that make up the tools we use is relevant to many FOG users.

What I do agree with you, is (even though I also helped take the thread off topic) that this thread may not be the place. Discussion on public forums is just what some topics need, but other places on the FOG may be better, and I am happy to contribute to a thread on responsible resource selection somewhere else if it arises.
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« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2007, 09:41 PM »

You may not be trying to start one, but it is very likely that an argument will be the result!  ...
I might even go as far as suggesting that Global Warming/Climate Change is added to the following paragraph of Matthew's "General Forum Rules and Etiquette":

Avoid discussions about race, ethnicity, gender, religion, and politics.  There are times when these topics can lead to enjoyable discussions, but please tread lightly here!  Don't say anything about someone else that you would not like someone to say about you!


I agree with Forrest.  It seems perfectly proper to mention that you used wood, say, salvaged from an old mill, in part because it says something about the wood.  To go on beyond that and claim some ethical mandate to do so is irrelevant and risky on FOG.  There are plenty of places on the net and off to have those discussions.

I'm not sure that climate change, etc. needs to be added to the list of topics to be avoided--both religion and politics are already listed.   Cheesy

I see Anthony's just posted.  I can agree with him that there ought to be a separate area for this kind of discussion, rather than hijacking a useful thread.  Unfortunately, he goes on to say "discussion on public forums is just what some topics need", which is precisely the claim used to justify going on about someone's pet point of view.

I'm here for the Festools.  I'm interested in what other people have to say about Festools.  I'm delighted if we find we have other things in common, besides Festools.  But I can learn from people with whom I have little in common, except Festools.  If we find areas of disagreement, then I'm going to avoid them, because that would get in the way of talking about Festools.  I expect reciprocal courtesy in this--that is, don't bring up irritating things that have nothing to do with Festools.  Whether an irritating topic is God or Gaia, true or not, important or not, doesn't matter, since we're here to discuss Festools.

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« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2007, 10:03 PM »

I see Anthony's just posted.  I can agree with him that there ought to be a separate area for this kind of discussion, rather than hijacking a useful thread.  Unfortunately, he goes on to say "discussion on public forums is just what some topics need", which is precisely the claim used to justify going on about someone's pet point of view.

Hi Ned.

I do mean it's important to discuss the topic on public forums. But as agreed, put it in the right place. Sorry if this was not clear in my response.

I'm here for the Festools.  I'm interested in what other people have to say about Festools.  I'm delighted if we find we have other things in common, besides Festools.  But I can learn from people with whom I have little in common, except Festools.  If we find areas of disagreement, then I'm going to avoid them, because that would get in the way of talking about Festools.  I expect reciprocal courtesy in this--that is, don't bring up irritating things that have nothing to do with Festools.  Whether an irritating topic is God or Gaia, true or not, important or not, doesn't matter, since we're here to discuss Festools.

I am also here for the Festools. I also have a thing about environmental and social responsibility. Which brings me back to my choice is using and selling Festools. But that's a topic for another thread, another day.

Hope there is no hard feelings guys - I don't harbour any.
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« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2007, 03:19 AM »

So anyway, you all met Anthony, the OTHER guy I know that gives a darn where wood comes from.  Grin

Let's just start a global warming thread, and leave poor Rob and his table alone. Meet you over there.
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