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Hi everybody, My name is John i am from the Netherlands and an amateur woodworker. I came across this site while looking for some info on the domino and decided to register. Some of the work you people do is amazing and a joy to view. I have been using Festools for about 9 years and have gathered a nice collection so far. The latest addition was the domino which i purchassed a few days ago. I had some left over 20mm thick oak floor boards lying around and decided to make a small 90x90cm, 50 cm high table. The boards were a little cupped so i had to joint and plane em down to about 15mm, and glue 4 of them together for the legs. The domino was used for the edge joints and the mitres and i must say it works like a charm. I did not get all 100% smooth joints but they were very close. A few minutes with the beltsander (a festool too) and the tabletop was flat as can be. I found the domino to be very precise, fast and easy to use and IMO if errors occur they are probably user induced. Mostly from applying to much pressure. The best way to operate it, for me anyway, is to plunge it while holding it at the back of the machine (where the power cord is) pushing it forward and not applying downward force. Added pic i hope i did this right if there is a better way to add images let me know  |
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2008, 05:49 PM » |
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Nice table from a pile of scrap. Welcome.
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2008, 06:17 PM » |
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Johne, welcome aboard and very nice piece. I too love my domino and end up putting together things with it just because I can.  Fred |
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2008, 06:27 PM » |
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Thanks nickao and fred for the welcome. BTW the domino i have is different from the one i had seen before, they have changed the metal adjustable aligning pins. They are now plastic fixed pins (not sure if thats good but they are accurate)  |
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2008, 07:43 PM » |
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Thanks nickao and fred for the welcome. BTW the domino i have is different from the one i had seen before, they have changed the metal adjustable aligning pins. They are now plastic fixed pins (not sure if thats good but they are accurate) fixed pins? are they still spring loaded?do they retract like the metal pins? |
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I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2008, 08:29 PM » |
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Johne, I agree with mastercabman, I too don't understand about your plastic fixed pins??? mastercabman, I love the picture of your shepherds. I have one little 12 week old purebred shepherd girl, one purebred almost 9 month old rottweiler and one 14 1/2 month shepherd/rottie mix.   Fred |
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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2008, 12:08 AM » |
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Hi,
I like the way the legs miter into the top on your table. Nice.
I too am wondering about those plastic pins, I am sure many members here will want to know everything you can tell us about them.
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2008, 04:09 AM » |
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The new pins are of course retractable but they are not sideways adjustable. They are accurate. The only thing I noticed is that due to the shape of the pins, they won't lock in a previously cut mortise like the "older" round metal pins could. not sure if this is an advantage or disadvantage. New pins:  "Old" pins"  |
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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2008, 07:49 AM » |
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The new pins are of course retractable but they are not sideways adjustable.
They are accurate.
There is a saying, "if you can't make it perfect, make it adjustable" |
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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2008, 08:20 AM » |
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Good Morning,
That's an odd change? I'm trying to think, what are the advantages of the new pin design?
Matt
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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2008, 09:12 AM » |
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Johne--Love the way You use scrap wood.
That looks like a pro photo on no seam, is that what you do in your other life?
Those pins are a mystery to me!
Bob
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« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2008, 09:23 AM » |
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Johne, welcome! Nice work I can see how the plastic reference pins could be significantly cheaper to manufacture than the spring-loaded steel ones. They eliminate the need for machining holes into the base and fitting the springs, pins, and bushings into them. But mere cost reduction has never been a strong priority at Festool, so I too am mystified why they did this. Plus, unless there is some subtlety that isn't visible in your pictures, there is no way to adjust them, which means as things wear you can't tweak them to take out slop. Perhaps there was some issue that we don't realize? Maybe Christian O or someone else from Festool can tell us what they were thinking. |
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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2008, 09:52 AM » |
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Hi all. @ Bob Swenson: You guessed right i am a photographer. If anyone's interested There are some samples of what I do at www.everards.com (look at the "Fotografie" tab) @ slb: They included some spares, so if they wear out they re easy to replace (see pic)  |
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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2008, 11:06 AM » |
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Johne, Thought so, what gave you away was the no seam and the fact that you
corrected the legs. Are you using a view with a digital back?
After fifty plus years behind the lens you see these things.
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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2008, 12:38 PM » |
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Bob, I havent used the viewcamera in years. I have a "Leaf"digital back on a Mamiya RZ 6x7. This table shot
was a quick picture with a Canon 5D and a tilt shift lens. You 're right, I corrected the perspective of the table legs
not in camera though but in Photoshop. You have a good eye.
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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2008, 12:55 PM » |
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Johne, I am with everyone else on those new pins. They completely mystify me and I hope that very soon we hear from Christian O. or someone else. The photography, however, may mystify me more as I have no idea what you and Bob are speaking about. What seam and what did you do to the legs and can you help mine? Fred |
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Fred, The perspective of the legs: If you take a picture of, in this case, a table you point the camera downwards from your point of view towards the subject. Because of this lines (legs of the table) start converging. On a view camera you can tilt the back panel (where the film plane is) to correct for this convergence. By doing so the legs look parralel again. With digital it is easier you can use photoshop or other image editing software to correct this.  |
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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2008, 01:30 PM » |
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Johne, thank you very much and I am sure with practice this is something easily picked up but boy even with the explanation it took a minute or so to really SEE the difference. I very much appreciate the lesson. Fred
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2008, 01:55 PM » |
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I found the domino to be very precise, fast and easy to use and IMO if errors occur they are probably user
induced. Words to live by. Very nice work, Johne, on both sides of the lens. Bob, I had forgotten Per had written about your previous careers. You are truly a Renaissance man, unlike that no good kid of yours. |
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2008, 02:49 PM » |
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Greg----Here, here Johne, you can teach an old dog a new trick.  Way back in my other life Bob |
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Fred, No Seam paper comes in 12 yard rolls, 9 feet wide in a rainbow of colors, Only a pro would buy it. Once I took a 9 x 9 piece and made a Christmas Card with it. As I folded it I wrote the message backwards. Had to use a rubber mallet to make the last folds. tied a red ribbon on it and sent it to an Art Director. Wanted to be there when he opened the card in his little cubical. It's the thought that counts  bob |
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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2008, 03:50 PM » |
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Bob, nice shot thx for sharing, always great to see the work of other photographers.
you apparently are a man with multiple talents.
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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2008, 04:03 PM » |
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Hi,
Do you have the cross stop, and are the pins different on that also? Do the new pins on the Domino change the use of the cross stop?
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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2008, 04:26 PM » |
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Johne, I agree with mastercabman, I too don't understand about your plastic fixed pins??? mastercabman, I love the picture of your shepherds. I have one little 12 week old purebred shepherd girl, one purebred almost 9 month old rottweiler and one 14 1/2 month shepherd/rottie mix. Fred thanks! i have a 15 months female and a 21 months male,both are from the same parents. as for those new plastic "pins".looking at the pic.i don't think they will register into the mortise.not like it's a big deal,i don't cut mortise that close anyway. |
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Fred, No Seam paper comes in 12 yard rolls, 9 feet wide in a rainbow
of colors, Only a pro would buy it.
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Fred, it is also known as "seamless backdrop paper". This designation is a little more self explanatory. The no seam/seamless term refers to the elimination of the floor/wall seam that would normally detract from the prop or subject. When the roll of paper is hung horizontally from a pair of stands and draped across the floor towards the camera the paper forms a large radius sweep or cove that is seamless and creates the illusion that the prop is situated in a vast monochromatic space as in the original post. The difference between Bob's description and mine is an example of the difference between the shorthand of a seasoned pro and the pedantry of an amateur.  |
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Fred, No Seam paper comes in 12 yard rolls, 9 feet wide in a rainbow
of colors, Only a pro would buy it.
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Fred, it is also known as "seamless backdrop paper". This designation is a little more self explanatory. The no seam/seamless term refers to the elimination of the floor/wall seam that would normally detract from the prop or subject. When the roll of paper is hung horizontally from a pair of stands and draped across the floor towards the camera the paper forms a large radius sweep or cove that is seamless and creates the illusion that the prop is situated in a vast monochromatic space as in the original post. The difference between Bob's description and mine is an example of the difference between the shorthand of a seasoned pro and the pedantry of an amateur. I totally understand what you just said Michael as I am below an amateur in photography. |
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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2008, 04:56 PM » |
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Johne, I agree with mastercabman, I too don't understand about your plastic fixed pins??? mastercabman, I love the picture of your shepherds. I have one little 12 week old purebred shepherd girl, one purebred almost 9 month old rottweiler and one 14 1/2 month shepherd/rottie mix. Fred thanks! i have a 15 months female and a 21 months male,both are from the same parents. as for those new plastic "pins".looking at the pic. i don't think they will register into the mortise.not like it's a big deal, i don't cut mortise that close anyway. The original round pins aren't intended to register in the mortise because that would result in a ridiculously close spacing as you point out. Might as well plough a groove and use a spline. I can think of a couple of reasons to switch to the new pins. First, it looks the new system costs a lot less. Second, since the original pins are small and round only a very small area bears against the edge of the wood so it can easily be dented. The large flat faces of the nylon pins won't dent the wood. |
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Johne, I agree with mastercabman, I too don't understand about your plastic fixed pins??? mastercabman, I love the picture of your shepherds. I have one little 12 week old purebred shepherd girl, one purebred almost 9 month old rottweiler and one 14 1/2 month shepherd/rottie mix. Fred thanks! i have a 15 months female and a 21 months male,both are from the same parents. as for those new plastic "pins".looking at the pic. i don't think they will register into the mortise.not like it's a big deal, i don't cut mortise that close anyway. The original round pins aren't intended to register in the mortise because that would result in a ridiculously close spacing as you point out. Might as well plough a groove and use a spline. I can think of a couple of reasons to switch to the new pins. First, it looks the new system costs a lot less. Second, since the original pins are small and round only a very small area bears against the edge of the wood so it can easily be dented. The large flat faces of the nylon pins won't dent the wood. good point! |
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Semenza, I have the cross stop and it's the same as the "old" one. Mastercabman, you're right the new pins dont register in the mortise. The reason maybe that if you use the cross stop very close to the domino you cant accidentally hook the pin in the mortise by mistake? Just guessing here. I like the fact that there's no need to adjust anything. Fred, in case you ever want to photograph anything you build for example. Try to avoid on camera flash. Try making use of diffused light. Use some artificial light if needed and diffuse this by bouncing it off a white wall or ceiling. Chose a neutral or not to distracting background. For smaller objects you can use a large piece of paper to get the seamless effect. use some reflectors like styrofoam to brighten darker areas. To avoid perspective distortions in your subject move away from it and use the tele end of your zoom instead of the wide angle. Enough about photography LOL. (If anyone wants to know something feel free to ask of course) This is turning into the Digital camera owners group |
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