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« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2008, 05:20 PM »

Michael nice explanation on the pins.

I would love to take great pictures. 

I just want to point out that if you are not posting pictures on your web site because you feel no one will buy the stuff because of the pictures bad quality. DON"T think that, post what you have. My pictures suck and I have never had anyone say anything negative about the pictures and only positive about the work. Save one photographer who purchased anyway.

So take pics of your projects . I made this mistake and now I have no pictures of over ten items I made, because the pictures were not that great and I was "embarrassed" by them. As time goes on you can learn to take better pics. I have some pics that are not great by a photographers standard, but since I might only make the item once every 5 years I have to use the pics, that or nothing.

I think "how to photograph your work" should have its complete dedicated section, more than just a thread under general. This way as a festool user I can learn how to take pictures form people who know where I am coming from. I don't much care about taking pics of people, but my woodwork. I think this could be nice on this forum.

Is it worth me putting up a pole to see who would like a dedicated section on "how to take pictures of your work"?

I think under OFF-Topic this would be a really helpful section to those off us in this forum.


What do you think Matthew?

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« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2008, 05:55 PM »

Nickao, If there is an interest in an "how to take pictures of your work"? thread i'd be glad to help

You're absolutely right when you say always take pictures of your work. Craftmanship shows even in a bad picture.
But even more so in a better picture. If i can give some tips or if anyone has any questions just ask.
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« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2008, 06:19 PM »


I have some pics that are not great by a photographers standard, but since I might only make the item once every 5 years I have to use the pics, that or nothing.

Nickao


Where are these pictures? What are these things you sell? Inquiring minds want to know.
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« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2008, 07:04 PM »

Michael, Johne & Nick, thank you all again. Without any double entendre intended I believe that I am beneath Nick as a photographer.  Wink Cheesy I love it but stink.  Grin Fred

PS I thought the pins were SUPPOSED to register in the mortise as part of the spacing and really that is not all that close if you do so.

PPSS mastercabman, those shepherds are beautiful. 15 & 21 months, how are they getting along?
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« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2008, 08:09 PM »

...No Seam paper comes in 12 yard rolls, 9 feet wide in a rainbow
of colors, Only a pro would buy it.

Maybe you're right about the 9-foot (~2.75m) stuff, but some of us non-pros do buy the 53 inch (~135cm) paper.  It's pretty easily available.

26-inch (~66cm) paper is much rarer, but B&H stocks it in New York.  Same stuff, only smaller.

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« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2008, 08:11 PM »



PPSS mastercabman, those shepherds are beautiful. 15 & 21 months, how are they getting along?
hard to keep them apart!!!   the female does have a small dog-to-dog aggression problem,but i'm working on that.
as for the male,he's a big cream puff!!!!!! a full 105 lbs of it!!!!!!
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« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2008, 08:13 PM »

isn't it funny how this tread got started,and now we are talking about photography and german shepherd!!!!
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« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2008, 08:19 PM »

Mastercabman, I know what you mean about the thread but it is also one of the things that I love about this forum. My nine month old 92 lb rottie is a total cream puff but my 14 1/2 month old 89 lb half shepherd, half rottie is pretty aggresive and my little girl the 12 week old, 21 lb shepherd just thinks she can take on any and everything.  Shocked Fred
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« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2008, 10:27 PM »

Good Morning,
That's an odd change?  I'm trying to think, what are the advantages of the new pin design?
Matt


Here's my guesstimate as to the new "pin" shape.  They no longer register against the true cylindrical end wall of the previously cut mortise, which means they should be less prone to falsely register due to "chaff" (debris) that remained in the previously cut mortise used to reference the new one to be cut.  Same prinicple as is used in many fence and stop systems to prevent sawdust buildup from preventing accurate registry against the stop.  Side motion of the new "pins" is stopped as the pin contacts the junction between the parallel walls of the previously cut mortise and beginning of the cylindrical portion.  The triangular shape of the new pins when viewed from the side enables them to work equally well on all mortise widths in the Domino program.  This change may solve my one gripe about my experiences with my Domino when mortising into the face grain of mediocre Chinese birch plywood and the often resulting "hanging chaff" which throws off registry of successive mortises when using the stops.

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« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2008, 10:36 PM »

Dave, I think you may have hit the nail or in this case the pin on the head.  Cheesy I have had that issue with the old pins and some chaff so if this eliminates that then I am all for it. I guess what I don't get is that Festool must have had an awful lot of complaints about this to go ahead and change it and if so:

  • Why haven't we (FOG) heard about those complaints
    When did this change come into being
    What is being done about older machines like ours to bring them up to snuff?

    Fred

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« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2008, 11:09 PM »


 "hanging chaff" which throws off registry of successive mortises when using the stops.

Dave R.




Dave, IIRC, hanging chaff can throw off far more than mortises -- even Presidential elections!  (Sorry, couldn't help it.  LOL)



Why haven't we (FOG) heard about those complaints

. . . .

What is being done about older machines like ours to bring them up to snuff?

Fred


Fred, If there were a lot of complaints, believe me we would have heard them here. (We did hear a little of the one Dave Ronyak referred to).  And why do you think the "older" Dominos are not "up to snuff", a characterization with which I would not agree. 

I guess the question is philosophical, in a way -- if Festool adds an engineering improvement between models, is everyone who bought his tool before the modification "entitled" to the modfication?  Auto manufacturers, for example, make small changes frequently between model years.  Unless there is a defect involved, earlier purchasers are never "upgraded".

I suspect that if manufacturers like Festool had to retrofit every tool with all subsequent modifications, they would simply find it economically unreasonable, and might default instead to holding all changes until a totally new model was released.

My $.02
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« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2008, 11:31 PM »

Good points, Dave.

Perhaps a more neutral question would be, "Can older model Dominos be upgraded with the new parts?"

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« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2008, 11:40 PM »

Dave, those were good points but on the other hand if the older dominos are not up to snuff and I am speaking about the pins area alone then why the change? Why done so quietly? And by the way, while auto mfgs do make small changes all of the time the pins on the domino are NOT a small part but an integral one. I am not even saying that Festool needs to pay for the change but I would like to know their reason for changing which as of right now we know nothing and if we wanted to change over what would it cost? Fred
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« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2008, 12:45 AM »

Many people will not purchase the first marketed design of anything, just because such improvements can and will be made. Software comes to mind as the one thing, a brand new model car another. I am sure some people did not purchase the Domino only because they were waiting for the bugs to be worked out.

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« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2008, 08:12 AM »

Good Morning,
That's an odd change?  I'm trying to think, what are the advantages of the new pin design?
Matt


Here's my guesstimate as to the new "pin" shape.  They no longer register against the true cylindrical end wall of the previously cut mortise, which means they should be less prone to falsely register due to "chaff" (debris) that remained in the previously cut mortise used to reference the new one to be cut.  Same prinicple as is used in many fence and stop systems to prevent sawdust buildup from preventing accurate registry against the stop.  Side motion of the new "pins" is stopped as the pin contacts the junction between the parallel walls of the previously cut mortise and beginning of the cylindrical portion.  The triangular shape of the new pins when viewed from the side enables them to work equally well on all mortise widths in the Domino program.  This change may solve my one gripe about my experiences with my Domino when mortising into the face grain of mediocre Chinese birch plywood and the often resulting "hanging chaff" which throws off registry of successive mortises when using the stops.

Dave R.


Dave, I don't think the new pins will even fit into a mortise (John?). I haven't read any instructions in a long time but I don't think even the round pins are intended to fit into mortises, they are intended to register off the face/edge of the part so the first mortise is exactly in line on both parts to be fitted. The new shape/material is more suited to registering to a face, especially a finished face than a small steel pin.

The possibility of chafe or other debris makes the practice of registering from holes problematic. The more closely spaced the holes the more likely you are to get out of register after a number of mortises. I'm guessing the engineers decided to limit hole registration to the less frequent spacing allowed by the cross stops to keep accumulated error within the tolerance provided by the wider mortise.
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« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2008, 03:31 AM »

Johne,
Nice work man. The table and your photography. Really nice.

Eiji
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