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« on: December 26, 2007, 02:49 PM »

Using the Domino to Make a Padauk Mirror

I just completed a makeover for the entry area of my old house (patching walls, stripping and repainting all the old moldings and other woodwork, refinishing the fir flooring).  When it was all done, my wife and I decided to have a mirror on the wall.  Padauk was our wood of choice, since its red color would add a nice touch as you walk into the house.

I wanted to use the Domino for the mirror mortise-and-tenon joinery.  But I also wanted to set the mirror into grooves, instead of using rabbets.  It didn't take me long to realize there's an easy way to use the Domino to cut the mortises and tenons, and then use the Domino mortises as aids in cutting the grooves for the glass.  It's such a  simple thing, I decided to document the process.  Along the way, I realized this is also a good opportunity to review the various settings and aspects of the Domino.


Preparing the Wood
I started with padauk that was about 1" thick, and milled it into four pieces each 2 1/8" wide and 7/8" thick using my jointer and planer.  I ripped the pieces on my bandsaw.

Below is a shot of the four milled padauk parts, set out on my MFT 1080:



Domino tenons come in a range of sizes (in millimeters):
  • 5x30
  • 6x40
  • 8x40
  • 8x50
  • 10x50

Based on the thickness and width of the mirror parts, I decided to use 8x50mm Domino tenons.  This would form a tenon in each member is about 1"-deep by 11/32" thick by 7/8" wide -- plenty strong enough.

Festool sells an assortment of Domino tenons, which come delivered in a Systainer.  The Domino assortment contains the following pieces:
  • 600 5x30 tenons
  • 190 6x40 tenons
  • 130 8x40 tenons
  • 100 8x50 tenons
  • 85 10x50 tenons
  • A set of four cutters

Peering into the Systainer full of Domino tenons should get any woodworker's creativity flowing!  Here it is:



Now I lay out the milled parts in the orientation I want in the mirror, then set a Domino tenon at each spot that will need a mortise-and-tenon joint.  Here are the four parts, with a test Domino at each joint:



Close-up of a test Domino:



To get accurate Domino cuts, all you need to do is hold two parts together you plan to join, then make a pencil mark across both parts where you want the Domino to be centered.  As long as you cut both parts oriented to the same line, the Domino will make mortises that align the two pieces perfectly.  For this project, these guide lines serve an additional purpose (explained later).

This photo shows the guide lines marked on the wood indicating where I plan to make the Domino mortises:




Preparing the Domino Machine for Cutting
At this point, it is exciting to plunge right in and start making your mortises!  But before doing that, there are four simple settings to adjust.  All of these adjustments are done with visible, easily accessible dials and controls:
  • Install a cutter
  • Set the plunge depth (mortise depth)
  • Set the fence height
  • Set the cut width

Installing a Cutter.  There are four cutters available for the Domino.  They look similar to small router bits.  Here are the sizes (diameter) of the cutters:
  • 5mm
  • 6mm
  • 8mm
  • 10mm

For this project, I used the 8mm cutter, which is part of the assortment.  It is shown in the photo below (lifted):



To remove or install a Domino cutter, you open the Domino case to gain access to the spindle.  The Domino comes with a small wrench that acts as a lever, quickly lifting a switch that opens a lock, causing the motor and fence assemblies to separate.  This process is illustrated in the next two photos.

Unlocking the motor and fence assemblies:



Motor and fence assemblies separated:



A close-up of the motor assembly, with a Domino cutter installed:



With the spindle exposed, I loosen the cutter by holding a spindle lock while turning the spindle with the little wrench (the same wrench used to separate the fence and motor assemblies).  This process is very similar to installing and removing bits from a router.  However, there are two differences: (1) unlike a router bit, the Domino cutter is screwed onto the spindle via a threaded rod; (2) with the Domino, the spindle is tightened or loosened with just one wrench (routers usually need two).

The next two photos offer a view of the method for removing a Domino cutter from the spindle, and a view of the threaded connections:






With the 8mm cutter "screwed on" and tightened, I reconnect the fence and motor assemblies.  Two guide poles in the fence assembly line up with the holes in the motor assembly, so you can't go wrong here -- just slide the two parts together until you hear a "click."  They are locked and ready for the next step.

Here's a shot of the guide poles in the fence assembly:



And here's the motor and fence assemblies sliding together:



Setting the Plunge Depth.  To set the plunge depth, press a clip to unlock the lever, move a green slider to the correct setting (in millimeters), then let go of the clip.  For this project, I set the plunge depth to 25mm.  That means each member received a mortise a little more than 1" deep (the Domino cuts an extra 1.5mm of depth to allow for glue).  The photo below shows the plunge-depth setting:



Setting the Cut Width.  Setting the width of the mortise holes is done by turning a green knob to one of three settings, graphically represented with lines of different lengths on the width adjuster.  When you are actually cutting a mortise, the Domino cutter swings from side to side as it spins and plunges, thereby cutting a hole of a certain width.  The longer the line shown on the adjuster, the wider the cutter swings, and therefore the wider the mortise hole will be.

The mortise width doesn't specifically match the Domino tenon.  In other words, no matter which Domino tenon you're using, you can choose any of the mortise widths.  Choose the narrowest setting if you want the Domino tenon to fit snugly in the mortise.  Choose the middle or widest setting to allow an increasing amount of "wiggle room" when joining pieces later on.  Many times, I want to be able to slide the parts around a little bit to adjust them during glue-up, so I choose either the middle or the widest setting.  For the mirror project, I did not want any extra space.  The Domino tenons had to fit snugly in the mortises, so I chose the smallest width setting.

Setting the Fence Height.  If you choose to swing the fence down onto the surface of your stock while cutting the tenons, you need to set the fence height.  To do this, unlock the fence, slide it up or down until it lays flat on the surface of the stock you're mortising, then lock the fence.  For this project, I chose not to swing the fence down over the stock while cutting, preferring instead to have a clamp in the space usually used by the fence.  This will make more sense in a moment, when you see how I cut the mortises.

The photo below shows the fence height (white numbers on left) and cut width (green knob on right) settings:



These settings are a lot simpler than they might seem when reading about them.  The first time you use the Domino, perhaps it will take you a few minutes.  When I use the Domino, I set the plunge depth, fence height, and mortise width all in about 30 seconds.


Cutting the Tenons
Now I'm ready for the most exciting part of having a Domino machine -- making plunge cuts, creating mortise-and-tenon joints, and fitting the parts together.  This mirror project calls for eight mortises: in the ends of each shorter (horizontal) piece, and on the inside edge of each longer (vertical) piece.

I clamp one of the shorter pieces onto my MFT surface with two 120mm clamps.  The Domino offers a few different methods for aligning the cutter with your pencil lines.  For this project, I chose to use the "pointer" that is molded into the front of the metal fence, which I find precise enough for almost every application I've done with the Domino.

Here's a close-up of the metal pointer:



With the stock held firmly in place, I take a couple of seconds to line up the metal pointer with the pencil line, flip on the power switch, then plunge the Domino cutter all the way into the wood.  If you've ever used a biscuit machine, the plunge operation of the Domino will feel very familiar.  Throughout the cut, I maintain moderate downward pressure on the handle.  When the cut is done, I let the spring-loaded handle return the motor to the starting point, then I hit the power switch.  It's all very smooth!

Here's a photo showing the Domino ready to cut an end mortise:



A woodworker's-eye view, sliding the Domino up to an end piece:



The next photo shows the Domino setting up for an edge mortise:



Another woodworker's-eye view, sliding the Domino up to an edge piece:



As mentioned in the previous section, for this project I used the metal pointer to line up my mortise cuts.  You also have the option of swinging the fence down onto the stock and using a hairline cursor to line up your cuts.  Regardless of the method used to line up your cuts, the plunging operation itself is the same.  For illustration, the two photos below show the Domino machine with the fence down, and a woodworker's-eye view of the cursor when using the lowered fence:





In quick succession, I clamp each part down and repeat the above steps.  Each time, I make sure the Domino pointer is aligned with the pencil mark I made earlier.

Everything runs along very smoothly -- the Domino never slips or makes a bad cut.  The cutter easily plunges into the padauk without hesitation.  With the Domino hooked up to my CT22 dust extractor, there is no dust at all throughout the entire mortise-cutting process.  This is something I really appreciate, as padauk causes a noxious burning sensation if it gets into your nose.

Cutting all eight mortises took under five minutes (it took me longer to shoot the photos).

By the way, I really like using the MFT as a compliment to the Domino.  The MFT provides a great surface for clamping down each piece securely and sliding the Domino machine for each mortise cut.

With all the cuts done, I inspect the mortises.  The two photos below show all the mortises cut with the Domino.  I did no sanding or clean-up before shooting this photo.  You can clearly see how clean all the mortises are:






Using the Domino Mortises as Guides for a 1/8" Grooves
The next thing I need to do is rout the grooves for the mirror glass.  As mentioned earlier, I want to use the Domino mortises as a starting and ending point of my cuts.  It's time to put the Domino aside for a few minutes and move over to my router table, which has a 1/8" bit installed.  Taking two passes, I rout grooves 5/16" deep in each part.  This makes the groove deep enough to allow the mirror to shift a small amount.

Below is a view of the 1/8" bit, installed in my router table (another one of my favorite tools, by the way):



Here's where I make double use of my Domino cuts.  For each of the long pieces, the space cut out for the Domino mortise serves as a starting point for my 1/8" groove.  The Domino mortise is 11/32" wide (Domino thickness) and 7/8" long (Domino width).  This allows me to power on the router, then lower the stock onto the table, giving me lots of space to get situated at the start of the cut.  Then I push the stock through the cut.  When I reach the open area of the mortise on the other end, I lift the stock out of the router.

This photo shows me starting to rout a groove in a long piece, using the Domino mortise as a starting area:



And here's a photo showing me finishing the routed groove in a long piece, using the Domino mortise as an ending area:



For the two shorter (horizontal) pieces, I rout them straight across from end to end.

Now I have two grooves spanning the distance between the mortises in the two longer (vertical) pieces, as show in the photos below:



And I have 1/8" grooves in the two shorter (horizontal) pieces:




Dry Fitting the Parts
It's time for a test fitting of all the parts.  I take four 8x50 Domino tenons and insert them into mortises.  When the fit is correct, a tenon should fit into the mortises tightly enough to offer some resistance on the face-grain side, but should not be difficult to pull out.  With the Domino, I achieve that just-right feel.

The photo below shows how snugly the Dominoes fit:



Things move along quickly from here, as I do a dry fitting of the entire project.  First, with a long piece held onto the surface of my MFT (held in place with a set of Clamping Elements), I insert Domino tenons into the mortises, then set the shorter pieces into it.  After fitting the first three pieces together, the Dominoes hold tightly enough, even without glue, to allow me to slide in the mirror glass.  Then I install the final long piece and inspect the joints.  Everything fits together perfectly.  Here's a shot of that last piece being placed for a dry fitting (just ignore that guy in the mirror):




Gluing Up and Finishing the Project
All that's left to do now is glue up the Domino tenons and assemble everything for real.  Below is a photo of a Domino, with glue on its wide, flat surface.  As you can see, there is a generous bonding area:



Using just hand pressure, I pull the Domino joints together most of the way.  Mild pressure with a clamp brings the joints completely together.  As expected, and desired, there's some squeeze out. 

When the glue dries, I trim the edges with my TS55 on the MFT:



For the final steps, I rout a bevel in the edges of the mirror, sand it with the ETS 150/5 sander, then apply the finish.  Below is a photo of the mirror, completed but still sitting in my shop:



After adding the hanging hardware, the mirror is placed in my entry area:



There you go.  A simple project using the Domino!

Here's a list of items (with links) mentioned in this posting:

Final note:
There is a wide variety of methods you can use to create mortise-and-tenon joints with the Domino.  What I have shown here is just one possible set of steps.  For a more complete explanation of all the Domino set-up and cutting options, check out these two additional resources:

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« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2007, 03:23 PM »

Matthew,

Nice review. For someone picking up the Domino for the first time this would be a good place to start. Your mirror looks very elegant and belies the simple construction which the Domino makes available to us. No offense meant here but the wall coloring looks a little bit like MDF, don't ya' think?  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2007, 03:51 PM »

Nice photo essay Matthew.
Any particular reason(s) you did favor using the base as a reference instead of the fence for that application or is it just the spur of the moment?
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2007, 03:56 PM »

Greg,
Yes, I thought this project was a good one for illustrating basic Domino use.

Regarding the wall color: that could be affected by screen colors.  I took another shot with a piece of MDF against the wall as a gauge.  Hopefully, it looks different now!



Hey, I spent a lot of time painting those walls.

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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2007, 04:04 PM »

Nice photo essay Matthew.
Any particular reason(s) you did favor using the base as a reference instead of the fence for that application or is it just the spur of the moment?

It's just my personal quirk, but I got into the habit of using the metal pointer early on instead of the hairline marker.  When using the metal pointer, you see your mark continuously.  With the cursor, your line is covered up once it's aligned with the cursor.  With some projects, when I'm cutting a lot of Dominoes and get into a kind of "auto plunge mode," I start hearing a little voice asking, "Wait, did you line up or did you just start plunging?"  Using the metal pointer, I see the line and the voice shuts up and lets me keep working.

Another thing is, I got into the habit of clamping the stock closer to the edge, which makes lowering the fence impossible.

Again, these are all personal quirks.

However, I do sometimes use the cursor.

I have found that I can get just as much accuracy either way.

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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2007, 04:44 PM »

Nice looking mirror Matthew. Good simple project.
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« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2007, 05:52 PM »

Very nice job--the mirror and the tutorial.  I suspect this will be on Festool's U.S. website soon, but if not, it's their loss.  BTW, the trim of your house looks great.  It's obvious you spent a lot of time stripping the old paint.

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« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2007, 06:00 PM »

Excellent work Matthew, as previously said, both the mirror frame and the tutorial. Is the Padauk Burmese or another member of the rosewoods?

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« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2007, 06:16 PM »

Very nice job--the mirror and the tutorial.  I suspect this will be on Festool's U.S. website soon, but if not, it's their loss.  BTW, the trim of your house looks great.  It's obvious you spent a lot of time stripping the old paint.

Thanks for the kind words!  That trim!!!  For about two years I dreaded the day I had to start on it.  What you see is only about 10% of the whole job.  Tha trim surrounds the foyer, and runs all the way up two flights of stairs.  She stair parts also needed to be stripped and repainted (32 turned uprights plus 5 newel posts).  Plus, the walls had cracks and holes that needed to be plastered prior to painting.  Anyway, the job took over 40 hours.  It singlehandedly kept me from building furniture for a while!  But now it's done, and the mirror was a celebration that I was ready to do the final touches.

...Is the Padauk Burmese or another member of the rosewoods?

Uh, well....

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« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2007, 09:32 PM »

That trim!!!  For about two years I dreaded the day I had to start on it.

Yeah, I weaseled out and hired a guy to patch and paint the walls of our 1920s home.  The mantel (mantle?) had dentil moulding that looked like it had been painted with toothpaste.  I weaseled out and just tore it out and put up new moulding.  But all the trim around the doors and windows still needs to be stripped to the bare wood and painted.  My hat's off to you for having had the grit to do it!

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« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2007, 09:47 PM »

Matthew, nice mirror project and you have given me a really good understanding now of the advantages of the domino. Thanks for that. Can I just ask why did you need to trim the edges of the mirror with the saw after glue up?
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« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2007, 11:12 PM »

Matthew, nice mirror project and you have given me a really good understanding now of the advantages of the domino. Thanks for that. Can I just ask why did you need to trim the edges of the mirror with the saw after glue up?

There was the slightest difference where the horizontal and vertical pieces met.  The difference was hardly detectable (I would say was less than 1/64"), but I could feel it with my finger.  So, before cutting the bevel, I ran the TS55 over that edge to make it perfect.

It's interesting you point that out, because I debated whether to include it in my review, since it was probably due to some imperfection on my part.

Keep in mind that in most Domino applications, you would cut your second mortise wider than the tenon, which would allow you to shift the pieces and take care of that little bit of a difference.  But I left no "wiggle room" for the tenons in this project.

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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2007, 11:18 PM »

Ok, that all makes sense now thanks for that. I guess it would be all similar to do this for a mitred joint frame too, just sry assemble and pencil a line across the mitre joint and go from there.
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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2007, 01:05 AM »

Matthew,

Thanks for posting this!  One of my upcoming projects is to make two large mirrors for the bathroom.

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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2007, 06:08 AM »

Thanks for posting this!  One of my upcoming projects is to make two large mirrors for the bathroom.


I hope I posted enough photos!

My to-do list includes a couple of other mirror projects, some picture frames (like the one posted here by Tim Sproul), a rustic coffee table, and a kitchen table.  Also, I'd like to try making my first chair (it probably won't be worthy of posting here).  The Domino will be involved in all of these projects.

I've had a chance to think about my technique a bit more since posting here, and I think I will use the fence cursor for future cuts.  It's interesting how we develop a habit and start relying on that way of doing things.

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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2007, 08:01 AM »

I had a question bubble up to the top of my dome. Why did you fully enclose the mirror inside a glued frame and not rebate the frame and brad a back on, like a picture frame. Wouldn't it make replacing a broken mirror (horrors!) harder to replace?
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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2007, 08:08 AM »

I had a question bubble up to the top of my dome. Why did you fully enclose the mirror inside a glued frame and not rebate the frame and brad a back on, like a picture frame. Wouldn't it make replacing a broken mirror (horrors!) harder to replace?

Yeah, I know...  But for some reason lately, I have chosen to do mirrors this way.  Maybe I'm weird, but it just feels more elegant to me (sort of reminds me of building a door).  I leave an extra 1/8" (1/16" in each grooved member) for the mirror to move.  Of course, if the glass breaks I'm in trouble.  But the way I figure it, I've never actually had a mirror break.  If it does, well, I get to make another mirror!

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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2007, 09:36 AM »

Well, there is one way to do it your way and replace the mirror if it breaks. You could rip a groove in the top of the frame and drop the new 'pane' in. Don't have a good tip for mitigating 7 years bad luck though (fingers crossed, rubbing rabbit's foot)
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« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2007, 11:46 AM »

If the mirror brakes you can remove all of the glass and rout out the back frame to replace the mirror.
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« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2007, 12:06 PM »

Nice job, Matthew in both the mirror itself and your excellent photo essay.  If the mirror ever becomes broken, you can route out the back side to free the broken pieces and install a replacement.  Of course, the replacement would then have to be held in the frame, e.g. with small moldings.  I suggest writing a note on the back of the mirror frame of the depth of the groove in case you ever need to route to it.

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« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2007, 12:26 PM »

Nice job.
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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2007, 06:17 PM »

Matt, I just want to throw in a caution that I didn't see mentioned.  This has been discussed before, but I'll repeat it for the new folks:

In your pictures you referenced the base of the Domino off the surface of the MFT, thus making the downside the reference on your wood.  When you dropped the fence onto the top of the wood, I'm guessing you still had it set to a 10mm offset (20mm total from base).  Your photo shows just how close that setting is to matching the 3/4" thickness of your stock.  In this setup it's very easy to make an alignment error while holding the Domino.  If you let the fence rest on the wood and the base rest on the table, you'll end up ever-so-slightly tilted. 

So, to avoid this common new-user error, make sure that the Domino is firmly set on the reference surface, whether using the base (10mm) or the fence (variable spacing).  I usually hang the end of the stock over the edge of the MFT to make sure that I'm not introducing any errors.

Nice photo essay!
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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2007, 07:03 PM »

When you dropped the fence onto the top of the wood, I'm guessing you still had it set to a 10mm offset (20mm total from base).  Your photo shows just how close that setting is to matching the 3/4" thickness of your stock.

When I use the fence for an actual project (as opposed to just photographing it), I set the Domino on the work surface (MFT, for example), swing the fence down onto the face of the stock, then lock the fence.  I don't measure the thickness of the wood and then try to adjust the fence.  Instead, I let the thickness of the wood naturally determine the position of the fence.  Of course, as with all Domino operations, all your stock needs to be precisely the same thickness!

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« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2007, 08:03 PM »


  Of course, as with all Domino operations, all your stock needs to be precisely the same thickness!

Matthew

I know what you are trying to say but you cannot generalize about the thickness.  There are some project where the pieces have different thickness. 
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« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2007, 08:09 PM »

I know what you are trying to say but you cannot generalize about the thickness.  There are some project where the pieces have different thickness. 

Yes, good point.  I guess I should have said this: if you mean to join two pieces of the same thickness, make sure they are in fact the thickness you assume!
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« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2007, 10:50 PM »

nice project. Padauk is a great wood, I built a wine cellar door from Padauk not long ago.  My only regret is that the bright orange color turns to a grayish brown over time.  This happened despite using marine grade UV finish (epifanes) in an area with only indirect lighting.
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« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2007, 08:01 AM »

I had a question bubble up to the top of my dome. Why did you fully enclose the mirror inside a glued frame and not rebate the frame and brad a back on, like a picture frame. Wouldn't it make replacing a broken mirror (horrors!) harder to replace?
What's done is done besides... I've seen lot's of folks much uglier than Matthew using mirrors and ain't none of them broke neither. Grin

Paduak is one of my favorites. Nice project Matthew and a great idea for the location. 
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« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2007, 08:15 AM »

I had a question bubble up to the top of my dome. Why did you fully enclose the mirror inside a glued frame and not rebate the frame and brad a back on, like a picture frame. Wouldn't it make replacing a broken mirror (horrors!) harder to replace?
What's done is done besides... I've seen lot's of folks much uglier than Matthew using mirrors and ain't none of them broke neither. Grin

Paduak is one of my favorites. Nice project Matthew and a great idea for the location. 

I'm not sure I would have done it different, I was just typing out loud in the spirit of inquiry.
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« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2007, 10:40 AM »

nice project. Padauk is a great wood, I built a wine cellar door from Padauk not long ago.  My only regret is that the bright orange color turns to a grayish brown over time.  This happened despite using marine grade UV finish (epifanes) in an area with only indirect lighting.

Yes, I know how padauk changes.  I've used it for some craft projects before and have seen this happen.  I warned my wife it would happen, but we figured it will still be an interesting piece even after it changes color.  In the meantime, we'll have the fire-red appearance.

I've seen lot's of folks much uglier than Matthew using mirrors and ain't none of them broke neither. Grin

It should be all right with me peering into it each morning!  The most hazardous stage of any project is the final building process, when it's still in the shop amongst a lot of sharp, heavy, swinging, spinning metal objects.

I'm not sure I would have done it different, I was just typing out loud in the spirit of inquiry.

Of course!  Asking questions is definitely in the spirit of the forum.  I wouldn't want it any other way.

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« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2007, 01:22 PM »

I know what you are trying to say but you cannot generalize about the thickness.  There are some project where the pieces have different thickness. 

Yes, good point.  I guess I should have said this: if you mean to join two pieces of the same thickness, make sure they are in fact the thickness you assume!
Matthew

And I would add: make sure you are referencing off the intended surfaces.  To help avoid errors, dry position the frame pieces and mark the face or back sides before cutting the Domino mortises.  E.G. for your frame, if referencing the Domino off the MFT top, position the  mirror frame pieces with their outside (of the finished frame) faces down against the top of the MFT.   Or, if referencing the Domino off the top (outside of the finish frame) as described by Brandon, position the face side up and hanging off the edge of the table so the Domino fence will be your reference and not the baseplate relative to the MFT top.

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