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« on: January 24, 2009, 09:58 AM »

Good Morning,
Yesterday, I was browsing through all the great projects posted here in the FOG.  It's amazing, not only how much work members have put into their projects, but also how much effort goes into documenting projects with text and photographs.

But there's one more element we'd love to see -- project plans.

I decided to create this discussion, as a place for people to post their project plans.  Here's my idea...

If you have posted a project, please add a post here with your technical drawings, handwritten sketches, or other plans.

Doing this will help projects be shared even better with other members.  By posting all the plans in this discussion, we can have an easy way for other members to see a full listing.  We can also provide links to the actual projects.

My image is that, with time, this could become a virtual "plan book" of sorts.

So, post your project plans here!

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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2009, 09:23 AM »

Great idea.  Having a scanner would help. 

Most posted projects by FOG Members are well documented including pictures.

Adding a "Cut List" would help. 
Don't know if that is asking too much. 


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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2009, 09:42 AM »

Great idea.  Having a scanner would help. 

Most posted projects by FOG Members are well documented including pictures.

Adding a "Cut List" would help. 
Don't know if that is asking too much. 

Yes, I realize there are varying levels of technology in member shops!  If people have the option of scanning plans, that's great.  If they are handwritten plans, that works (actually, I think it's nice to see handwritten plans).  If you use some kind of software that outputs your plans, that's great too.

Of course, some of us are able to work without plans!  In those cases, posting cut lists would be great help.  Again, they can be hand-sketched or done with software.

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2009, 02:25 AM »

So how would someone go about posting plans and cutlists that are drawn on a piece of wood?Huh? Unsure
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2009, 12:34 PM »

By posting photograph(s) of those pieces of wood!  And the completed project and of various stages of completion of the project and its components together with dimensions and other words describing them.

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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2010, 07:16 PM »

These are two post and beam arbors I'm building in Boston (yaay boston). I never drew a complete detail of the purlins but Ill include a pic. The top of the last purlin on ether side of the structures is flush with the top of the header so the detail dies into the plane of the header.  Each purlin is beveled leaving a 2x2 square on the end of it. The length of the bevel is reduced by the same # as does the height. This creates a secondary elips of sorts on the underside of them. The larger one is over the driveway and the smaller one is over the walkway.  His house is on a main st. with a hospital 1 block away and its very noisy.  The ideas is that once the vines have established themselves it will help deaden the sound of the road.


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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2010, 05:28 PM »

Hey guys,

Would love to scan some plans and photos, but I'm sorely lacking in the tech dept.  A little help?
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2010, 07:14 PM »

Finally figured out how to post some pictures (I hope).  This was a closet that my client was using for crafts and wanted it to be a little less cluttered.  


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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2010, 07:42 PM »

You did great with the pictures!  Like your work  in the photos also.  Tough to design for the end wall and make it useful.

Keep going.

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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2010, 10:42 AM »

Peter, Joe,

Thanks for the compliments.  The most difficult aspect was trying to cram as much usable storage as I could into such a confined space.  Peter nailed it by mentioning the end wall.  The first plan was to have rollouts in the bookshelf to make some of her items easier to get to, but was nixed since she still would have had to reach down into a narrow area to reach and the rollouts would not have much room to come out anyway.  I'm glad we ended up using adjustable shelves, since the homeowner removed the bottom shelf and uses it to store large rolls of craft paper and other larger items.

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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2010, 10:45 AM »

These are two post and beam arbors I'm building in Boston (yaay boston). I never drew a complete detail of the purlins but Ill include a pic. The top of the last purlin on ether side of the structures is flush with the top of the header so the detail dies into the plane of the header.  Each purlin is beveled leaving a 2x2 square on the end of it. The length of the bevel is reduced by the same # as does the height. This creates a secondary elips of sorts on the underside of them. The larger one is over the driveway and the smaller one is over the walkway.  His house is on a main st. with a hospital 1 block away and its very noisy.  The ideas is that once the vines have established themselves it will help deaden the sound of the road.

Your work looks great!  Any photos of the finished product yet? How many guys did it take to install?

 Lived in MA for a few years and did a lot of work in Newton/Wellesly/Brookline area as a cabinetmaker.  I almost miss it.  Big Grin
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2010, 11:49 AM »

I like the Festool green drawer pulls...


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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2010, 08:28 PM »

Jonhilgen - what type of slide did you use for the pullout table?  It doesn't look like your typical slide.  I'm in the process if building my wife's craft room and I know she would like a similar pullout.
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2010, 07:23 AM »

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I ordered it from Hafele.  Item # 505.58.703.

Cost was 262.02 including shipping.

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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2010, 03:20 PM »

One idea for an inexpensive solution to getting from hardcopy(i.e. pencil/pen & paper) to digital -- use a digital camera, carefully.

Though it takes some practice, a digital camera is a considerably more practical solution these days than a scanner for most individuals.
If you use that in combination with a tripod, and a little ingenuity, you should end up with a practical alternative to a scanner.

Take a look through some how to photography websites and/or books for more details.
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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2010, 03:41 PM »

Jon - did you also use MDF for this project?  I really enjoy your work--great looks and extremely practical!
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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2010, 06:27 PM »

Jon - did you also use MDF for this project?  I really enjoy your work--great looks and extremely practical!
Yeah, once again, MDF.

My next job I'm actually going to use paint grade maple for the bookshelves.  I'm moving up in the world!  Going to start cutting it up Monday (right on time for my QWAS cross cutting jig arriving Monday)

Thanks for the compliment NVA_WW.
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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2010, 10:20 AM »

It would also be great if anyone wants to post Google Sketchup files.  If you haven't used Sketchup, I highly recommend it.  It's full 3d CAD... for free!  Lots of support out there and there's even a plugin called Cutlist that will automatically create cutlists based on the drawing.

Sketchup can be downloaded from Google at http://sketchup.google.com.

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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2010, 07:35 PM »

These are two post and beam arbors I'm building in Boston (yaay boston). I never drew a complete detail of the purlins but Ill include a pic. The top of the last purlin on ether side of the structures is flush with the top of the header so the detail dies into the plane of the header.  Each purlin is beveled leaving a 2x2 square on the end of it. The length of the bevel is reduced by the same # as does the height. This creates a secondary elips of sorts on the underside of them. The larger one is over the driveway and the smaller one is over the walkway.  His house is on a main st. with a hospital 1 block away and its very noisy.  The ideas is that once the vines have established themselves it will help deaden the sound of the road.


Your work looks great!  Any photos of the finished product yet? How many guys did it take to install?

 Lived in MA for a few years and did a lot of work in Newton/Wellesly/Brookline area as a cabinetmaker.  I almost miss it.  Big Grin


Thanks Jonhilgen,  Not done yet.  Many problems.  Permiting and mildew Scared to name a few.  I expect I should only need 10 or 12 people to fool safe, but I'm hoping for a hundred.  The zoning board has given me such a hard time I want to call all the local news stations and make a big show of it.  Its a organic hand made arbor what's the big deal.  anyway check out the pictures on the Member Projects page.
http://festoolownersgroup.com/member-projects/post-and-beam-arbors/msg87652/#msg87652
They made me do renderings and we still don't have the permit yet.  It will go up it will go up it will go up, thats my mantra.  Fall would be nice, good working weather.  Although there are black walnuts that are ripe and lethal around then.  Maybe some FOG hard hats would do the trick.
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« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2010, 07:11 PM »

Woodsman,

Love it down here (but it's a bit hot in winters), but miss the family terribly.  Thinking of heading back up North since grandchildren will be on the way shortly.  Just need to find work first (and a house, and trade in my truck for something with 4x4...)

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« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2010, 08:18 PM »

Woodsman,

Love it down here (but it's a bit hot in winters), but miss the family terribly.  Thinking of heading back up North since grandchildren will be on the way shortly.  Just need to find work first (and a house, and trade in my truck for something with 4x4...)

Jon

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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2010, 11:47 AM »

I would like to see Festool come up with a plan for a workbench to support and be used with the Kapex.  I must be the only one that is looking for a design for this tool.
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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2010, 12:54 PM »

Nugene,

First,   Welcome! to the forum.  If you are looking for a stand for the kapex, there is a smaller MFT designed to hold the Kapex.  Festool also has extension arms that fit the Kapex, and has recently introduced in the rest of the world a new rolling stand for the Kapex and new extensions.

Are you talking about something different?

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« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2010, 10:35 PM »

Peter, What I had in mind was a wooden workbench with an extension on the left side and right side that allowed you to cut trim to length.  This would have stops that adjusted to the size you wished to cut.  Like they use in a framing shop. The saw base would be recessed in the table so that the cutting area is even with the extension.  Hope I explained myself.  I've seen the Kapex table and that is not what I am looking for.
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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2010, 10:50 PM »

Nugene,

Gary Katz, who travels around with his Kapex uses a folding metal stand and extension wings that were self built.  Here is a link to his drawing:  Gary Katz Extension Wings

The brackets he uses are no longer available, but modifications can be made.

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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2010, 09:41 AM »

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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2010, 06:36 PM »

Hi all
When I design or layout a unit I always use a program called "Design Workshop" (I say always coz I have been using it for coming close to ten years now  Eek!). You should hopefuly see two pictures below the first is a "print out" from the design program that I used  to design the unit. I also use this as a conceptual drawing to "sell" what I can offer the client . The second photo is a photo I actually took today of the complete installed unit.



The Final Design as done on Design Workshop


A Photo taken of the final product

For those interested in downloading this program and its tutorial for FREE. Yes... its a working sample of the program that you can download for nothing! Do an internet search for Artifice free download. It took me when I first started with this program, about 2 hours to "build" a house with doors and windows a pitched roof with chimney also a porch and handraing with steps leading up tho the porch. From what I understand it works much the same as Google Sketch, (although I have never used GS myself...) The only limitation on the free program is you cannot save a file that has more than 100 objects... I have a rather laborious process around this limitation, should you you wish to know feel free to message me...

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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2010, 09:00 PM »

Is "Design Workshop" easer to use the Google's sketch up?
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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2010, 11:34 PM »

Very nice Graham!
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« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2010, 03:15 AM »

Is thes easer to use the Google's sketch up?

As I have never used Google Sketch Up I cannot give an accurate answer to that question. I have however tried to use another program called Solid Edge I have also tried to use Auto CAD. If I had put more time and effort into the latter two programs I may very well have got them down pat, I suppose I didn't because I just like the simplicity of Design Workshop. You can choose to build an object in 2D or in 3D in color or in a "wire-frame" all in all I find it quite simple. From what other people have told me about GS  I understand the two programs work in a very similar fashion so you should pick up DW quite quickly if you have been using GS. But do not expect to master the program in two hours. you will have to go through hours of tutorials.

Here's a few more examples that show what I have used the program for in the past:


The concept drawing I showed the client


A photo I took of the completed Job


The concept


A photo taken during instalation

These pics below show where Design Workshop is lacking in a big way... everything related to curvatures, sweeps, archs etc you have to make them all blocky. I used these pics to help me visualize all of what had to be done in the making of the curved handrailing. What is very nice about the program is the ability to almost be able to "hold the item in your hands" and look at it from any which way angle of your choice. you can walk through rooms walk through walls  Big Grin zoom in and out.



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« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2011, 04:05 AM »

So I am about to hand a quotation in for an Oak TV unit. Its a monster Plasma TV. The client is looking to have something more old fashioned as opposed to most modern day flat screen units. The client wants a similar finish to that of my curved handrailing found in the members projects. Below is a design I have come up with and I am interested to hear all of your comments and suggestions.
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« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2011, 09:13 AM »

I really like the look of this. I've been leaning towards more contemporary design of late but this is very reminiscent of a classic movie theatre and I love that.
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« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2011, 09:21 AM »

Couple of questions, What are the proposed dimensions? How big is the tv, speaker units and all that? Will the receiver be on display or hidden in the cabinetry? The columns on either side of the tv, is something going in there, such as equipment or discs?

Personally I'd like to hide as much as possible of the equipment leaving only the bare minimum exposed, not sure hot this works with remote controls and the like but ideally I'd like to only see the screen surrounded by woodwork. keep in mind I also have a tendency to vastly over complicate projects so go with what works this still looks nice in my books
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« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2011, 10:01 AM »

I really like the look of this. I've been leaning towards more contemporary design of late but this is very reminiscent of a classic movie theatre and I love that.

AWESOME!! So it seems like I am on the right track.

The overall dimensions are 2000 by 2000
the TV is 1220 by 770
each doors is 300 wide by 335 high
The doors will be a "partial inlay" fit to the face frame.
The speakers will be mounted in the two cupboards either side of the TV, I then plan to cover these two cupboards, just behind the face frame, with a another frame wrapped with normal speaker fabric. this will make the entire opening look like a custom made speaker. I may need to adjust the height of these two cupboards and add a shelf if it looks too big and ugly... if you know what I mean.
All the DVD, Satalite decoder, sound etc etc will be inside the cupboards below. The remote control will not be a problem as it is not infra-red. Everything... and I'm not kidding when I say everything... is networked with a single wireless remote that controls ALL the TV's in the house. All the speakers scattered in different places can be controlled individually too... The whole unit will be standing on casters. This will allow for easy installation of all the components and the major mess of wires that connects the lot. All this is done while the unit is away from the wall. When finished it gets wheeled back to fit snug against the wall and skirting.
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« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2011, 07:00 PM »

Right arm! I'd like to see pics of this project as it goes along, if you don't mind. Eager to see it in "action"
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« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2011, 12:06 AM »

I totally agree!
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« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2011, 03:36 PM »

Sorry for being so scarce of late, our telecoms service provider seems to diligently stick to "African Time!!"
Right arm! I'd like to see pics of this project as it goes along, if you don't mind. Eager to see it in "action"
so this project got the go ahead, I have been working on the unit for a couple of weeks now and it is nearing completion. I will be posting the build pics in the Projects section soon for your pleasure.
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« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2011, 03:17 PM »

So I have been asked to make a table just like the one in the pic below out of wood... I am assuming they want me to make it out of wood because this one is either painted and they cannot get it as a wood finish or because this particular one is made from welded steel...
Obviously the Domino joining system comes to mind... how do you guys think the joints will hold up if made with Domino's???
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« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2011, 04:36 PM »

Looking at it and how sallow the angle of the legs are I don't think wood can hold.


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« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2011, 05:12 PM »

Looking at it and how sallow the angle of the legs are I don't think wood can hold.


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« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2011, 06:14 PM »

Think you could get it to work but wont be the most robust piece of furniture. Can see the advantages of steel here.
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« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2011, 06:22 PM »

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Just a thought, it may be possible if you could bore out a 12mm hole and insert a length of stainless steel rod which could somehow be mounted to a bracket on the base of the table and could be hidden by the top of the legs.

If I had skills with Sketchup I would draw something.

The load bearing would be taken by the rod then.
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« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2011, 06:27 PM »

Graham

Just a thought, it may be possible if you could bore out a 12mm hole and insert a length of stainless steel rod which could somehow be mounted to a bracket on the base of the table and could be hidden by the top of the legs.

If I had skills with Sketchup I would draw something.

The load bearing would be taken by the rod then.

How would you bore the 12mm hole through the legs straight? Them legs don't look short. I'm only asking not saying it's a bad idea.


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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2011, 06:31 PM »

With a jig on a floor mounted bench drill. The jig would hold it at the angle required and a long bit used.

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« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2011, 06:35 PM »

JMB,

Cut over length. mount on a lath and end bore them, via  the tailstock. Its how you bore a turned standard lamp. Or split the section route out a groove  on both bits and re laminate

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« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2011, 06:52 PM »

I forget to think workshop and jigs.  Always think Need a tool to do that. I forget about jigs lol cus they take time and don't always have the time to make jigs so always think alternative options ie a tool which can do it with no jig.


Well I think the table needs steel to make it work.

I would have a large plate the size of the actual top made and then metal legs(rods like guy said) welded at the correct angle and position and then have a small angle piece near the top to increase the strength of the legs but you won't see then angle plates because they will be small enough so that you will fit your wood legs over them and you would put a groove in your timber and it would slide over them so be hidden. Then you can fit a wooden top with a thicker edge to cover the large plate.  I think it needs to be a large plate because the top looks thin in the picture so small plates with screws could be ripped of easily.


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« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2011, 06:55 PM »

Think the top is frosted glass.
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« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2011, 07:03 PM »

Think the top is frosted glass.


Oh!

Well you would only need a plate big enough to fixl all 4 legs to the and then stick the frosted glass to the plate.


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« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2011, 02:11 AM »

I think you guys are onto the right idea of hollow legs with steel inserts... something that I had definitely not though of... Fortunately for me I know how to weld... I grew up on a farm and metal work was what I did before I started with carpentry... so it looks like I can do the lot on my own...


I forget about jigs lol cus they take time and don't always have the time to make jigs so always think alternative options ie a tool which can do it with no jig.
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« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2013, 10:16 AM »

Top Knot, those legs look like they have a twist in them, they don't look straight!
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