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Offline Mario Turcot

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The My Shop Cart
« on: October 02, 2018, 01:22 PM »
I have a small shop 20' x 20' where pretty much all machinery is ready layout. The only machinery to come will be a Hammer A3-31, probably next summer. I'm still in need of several carts & benches but room is a premium unless I expand my floor surface. I have been brainstorming about a multi purpose rolling cart and I would like your input on the subject.

The base cart will be 36" x 60", made of 18mm BB. It will serve first as a outfeed table for the hybrid table saw. It will also serve as a sanding and assembly table. And more. I want the cart to hold the VAC SYS system like Jericho cart . In addition the top will accept an interchangeable custom MFT top to be used with the TS55. Ideally the MFT top should be stored on the side opposite to the VAC pump or else.

Feel free to feed me with your thought & ideas.

Thanks, Mario
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Offline egmiii

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2018, 03:02 PM »
Check out the Felder FAT 300 or 500. It doesn't ship with a top, so you can fabricate and customize the hole pattern in whatever material you prefer. It can roll around and height adjust for outfeed/sanding/assembly. You didn't specify a budget, so I'll forewarn it's not cheap, but is quite versatile. The biggest downside is the inability to store material below the table. This might be a deal breaker for a small shop lacking storage space.
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Offline TrackTubesGuy

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2018, 03:46 PM »
Mario ... sounds similar to my situation .. I was looking at the A3-31 earlier in the year and ended up getting the FAT300 lifting table. It WAS VERY HARD for me to pay the price for the FAT300, but I have to say, I don't regret it at all.  I haven't purchased the A3 yet, but saving space for it also.  I plan on starting to build out the lifting table as my main shop cart/track saw/assembly station in the next couple weeks and have been toying with ideas and looking around the internet. Thinking of a modular system so I can adapt different worktops, and having a telescoping arms for work support and cutting down sheet goods.  Also a platform at one end for my CT36.  I'll post photos as I move along.  Good luck with yours.

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2018, 04:11 PM »
Check out the Felder FAT 300 or 500. It doesn't ship with a top, so you can fabricate and customize the hole pattern in whatever material you prefer. It can roll around and height adjust for outfeed/sanding/assembly. You didn't specify a budget, so I'll forewarn it's not cheap, but is quite versatile. The biggest downside is the inability to store material below the table. This might be a deal breaker for a small shop lacking storage space.

I agree that the FAT 300 is a viable option, last month I requested a quote from Felder Canada, The FAT 300 quote was 2,700$. Well this is only a mobile base and no where to store anything.
Mario

Offline Alanbach

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2018, 04:35 PM »
I just happened upon this one and although it does not have some of the things that you want it may serve as decent inspiration???

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/my-custom-built-expandable-mft-on-rolling-cart/

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2018, 05:20 PM »
I just happened upon this one and although it does not have some of the things that you want it may serve as decent inspiration???

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/my-custom-built-expandable-mft-on-rolling-cart/

@Alanbach Inspiration is exactly what I am looking for. Thanks for the link :)
Mario

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2018, 10:24 PM »
The  Marcon Easy Lift Assembly table might be of interest.  I saw it demonstrated at IWF in Atlanta in August.  Very impressive, it provides electrical and air outlets, as well as pneumatic clamping.

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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2018, 09:16 AM »
This is an interesting lift Jeff. I haven't found any website that sale those  [scared]
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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2018, 09:25 PM »
This is an interesting lift Jeff. I haven't found any website that sale those  [scared]

I found the brochure I picked up at IWF.  As I recall they are sold pretty old school; you have to call!  Here's the phone#/email info from the brochure: 707.292.6289  conradrey@comcast.net

I spoke with Conrad for a few minutes, he is very passionate about his product!  Seemed to be very well built, aimed at the furniture industry rather than an adaptation from metal fabrication.
Semper Fi,
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Offline Claimdude

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2018, 08:36 AM »
Jeff,

Any idea what the price is for this lift?

Jack

This is an interesting lift Jeff. I haven't found any website that sale those  [scared]

I found the brochure I picked up at IWF.  As I recall they are sold pretty old school; you have to call!  Here's the phone#/email info from the brochure: 707.292.6289  conradrey@comcast.net

I spoke with Conrad for a few minutes, he is very passionate about his product!  Seemed to be very well built, aimed at the furniture industry rather than an adaptation from metal fabrication.

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2018, 09:45 AM »

Any idea what the price is for this lift?


I checked into these last year, after seeing them at the IWF in Vegas.  Very well built and very pricey $$$. From memory, I believe they started at around $3 grand.   I even had one of Conrads assistants take a look at the Felder FAT300 to see if they could build a similar lift.  After some back and forth, I realized it was more economical to buy the FAT300, which was easier on the wallet for me and has worked out great.

Offline nvalinski

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2018, 11:42 AM »
If you are looking for storage below, a lifting table, integrated vacuum clamping, and have zero regard for budget, you may want to take a look at the Barth VakuuCar as well. It's at least nice inspiration.

http://www.martin-usa.com/products/vakuucar-vakuucar-xl/

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2018, 09:19 PM »
Jeff,

Any idea what the price is for this lift?

Jack


I seem to remember around $4000 when you added wheels.  Not cheap at all, but if it prevents ONE lost time injury it will have paid for itself.  If it saved one project from getting dropped, saves a few hours per year.... YMMV of course.
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Offline tallgrass

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2018, 01:12 AM »
are these substantially better than motorcycle lifts? When ever I see these they always look like motorcycle lifts.

Offline GarryMartin

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2018, 05:49 AM »
I've seen quite a few people use second-hand hospital beds (or more accurately, the hospital bed frame) as the undercarriage for large scale MFT layouts. In the UK, you can pick them up relatively cheaply on eBay.

Offline WillAdams

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2018, 09:45 AM »
For folks in the U.S., the hardware company Harry Epstein has a

Swedish Military Stainless Steel Medic Table

in their clearance area for $285 --- rated to old 385 lbs.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2018, 11:01 AM »
Also space constrained Mario and also looking to make a mobile Vac Sys cart. I didn't know I needed something called a "Vakuucar" in my life until now.
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Offline egmiii

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2018, 11:36 AM »
If you don't absolutely need the space under the cart, I'd suggest the 500V instead. With the optional cam locks and feet, it's almost on par with a roubo for stability. It also offers a wider range of height adjustment.

https://rangate.com/products/barth-lift-table-500v-vakuulift

If your seriously considering the Festool pods and building a cart, at least evaluate the Barth pod unit (Vakuusyst) which integrates into an existing workbench. It offers rock solid construction, drops below the table when not in use, and has more adjustment flexibility (especially if you add extension tubes).

https://rangate.com/products/barth-vakuusyst-315

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2018, 08:30 PM »
are these substantially better than motorcycle lifts? When ever I see these they always look like motorcycle lifts.

The Marcon Easy Lift Table is absolutely substantially better than a motorcycle lift, kinda like the TS55 is substantially better than a PC circular saw. The operation is very smooth, it includes onboard electric and air outlets as well as a pneumatic clamp.  The optional wheel assembly is also pneumatically operated.  As I recall there are at least two sizes of the table available; seems like a 3x5 and a 4x8.
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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2018, 08:28 AM »
After reading a ton of FOG posts I finally start with the cart project.

Here a dry fit of the torsion box. The strips are 15mm (~1/2") thick by 80mm (~3") high with half lap joint. I Made the "groves" using a dado blade on the table saw. The worst part was to get a very snug fit for the half lap joint. On the picture you can see that the strips have to be cut in length. I put the grid together to make sure everything was perfect before I remove the dado blade  [big grin]



and here after the cuts. Used the Kapex to have all the strips the same length on both axis. I am very happy with the result. I will add a frame 18mm strip around the grid to close it.



On that picture you can see more closely how snug are the joints. They seems to be not flush but it's because the ply used to sit the grid is not leveled yet. That's the next part I have to work on before glue up.



Now on the assembly? My plan is to put together the frame and then square it on a flat surface. Once it's perfectly flat and square add the grids. The grid will be sandwiched between two BB ply, not sure yet if it's going to be 12mm, 15mm or 18mm.

Any advice and do I need to glue up the grid strips to keep from warping?

That surface will be my table saw outfeed table and assembly table.
Plan A: Make a custom MFT holes pattern to fit between the grid. The grid is 200mm (~7 3/4") square.
Plan B: Add a sliding MFT top that will sit on the top of the torsion box raising the working surface some 100mm (~4")
« Last Edit: November 01, 2018, 08:30 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2018, 12:33 PM »
UPDATE

I have the torsion box done. I used 12mm BB ply on both sides.

[Pict coming tonight]

I am now at adding two t-track at the front



to hold the SYS-VAC system. I will add another layer of 18mm BB ply on the top only. That way the t-tracks will be shy of 1/16. the first t-track will be flush to the edge to add vertical clamping capability. The torsion box will sit on a rolling cabinet similar to Guy's cart


Since it's a rolling assembly table and I made it specifically flat, I want to be able to micro adjust the top for when I move it. So far I found those

To adjust from the top. I was also thinking about a threaded rod and knobs mechanism.

Any idea what I could use? It need to be able to support ~400lbs



Mario

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2018, 08:10 PM »
You could just use a hacksaw and cut a slit in the top of those bolts for adjustment ease with a screwdriver.  Or get separate feet with long rods to give you a knob closer to the top of the table.  My concern there might be removing the flush sides that are great if you have T-slot around the perimeter.

Check with McMaster.com for possible feet. Not sure if they ship to Canada or not.  You could fashion your own out of some blocks of wood, T-nuts and feet from McMaster, Home Depot, or similar.

https://www.mcmaster.com/adjustable-feet

Curious where you found that T-track.  I really like the 90 degree clamping options it offers.

neil

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2018, 09:04 PM »
those t-tracks are exclusive to LeeValley and the feets are from LV too. They do have a slot I mean allen head on top for adjustment
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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2018, 11:02 AM »
Now you guys went and did it.....

You gave me a idea.

You have no idea how dangerous that is  [scared] [big grin]

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2018, 11:12 AM »
Now you guys went and did it.....

You gave me a idea.

You have no idea how dangerous that is  [scared] [big grin]

Wait! What?  [scared]



grrrrrr, I forgot about taking a pict last night.
Mario

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2018, 04:12 PM »
Mario -

Does that T-track from LV work with Festool clamps?  It looks to be too large in the photos on their website.

Thanks -

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2018, 04:38 PM »
@neilc
Mario -

Does that T-track from LV work with Festool clamps?  It looks to be too large in the photos on their website.

Thanks -

They do fit on the thin sides

but not on the large sides

unfortunately... however my plan is to use the top slot (large sides) with t-bolts to hold the SYS-VAC and with festool like clamps on the thin sides for vertical clamping. So it sort out pretty good for my purpose :)
« Last Edit: November 16, 2018, 05:00 PM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2018, 11:44 AM »
I have been idle on the weekend because I was not happy with the glide feet. The idea of boring 4 holes on the top to adjust the height was defeating the idea of having a perfect flat top, solely to be used for assembly. I discovered those (model A)

today  [big grin]. This is exactly what I was looking for, they support 385lb each  [eek]. They will be fixed on the cabinet part and a reses hole will be bored from under the torsion box top, to keep the top aligned with the cabinet. I will also be able to sit a dedicated MFT top on it. Those levelers have a ~5/8 travel.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2018, 12:03 PM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2018, 12:26 PM »
I have been idle on the weekend because I was not happy with the glide feet. The idea of boring 4 holes on the top to adjust the height was defeating the idea of having a perfect flat top, solely to be used for assembly. I discovered those (model A)

today  [big grin]. This is exactly what I was looking for, they support 385lb each  [eek]. They will be fixed on the cabinet part and a reses hole will be bored from under the torsion box top, to keep the top aligned with the cabinet. I will also be able to sit a dedicated MFT top on it. Those levelers have a ~5/8 travel.

Just be aware that the thread pitch on these is pretty coarse. Depending on how precise your level is and whether it matters you might find it difficult to turn one of these little enough.

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2018, 12:30 PM »
@Micheal Kellough Thanks for the heads up, I totally agree with you. The 5/8 travel works on only 5 full turns. Is it enough? perhaps on a large surface it is. Do you have any experience with those?
Mario

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2018, 03:32 PM »
@Mario Turcot not sure what all you want out of these things. Overall height adjustment can be increased with shims but earlier you said you wanted “micro adjustment”.

Technically, to get the 1/1000” adjustment that implies down here in the Imperial States of America (not sure how fine “micro” is in a metric realm) you’ll need to find a way to turn the screw in 1/100 revolution increments. But, even with a 1/2”-16 thread screw you have to measure out 1/50th turn increments. You probably don’t need that fine of adjustment.

Also consider genuine leveling pads like these

https://www.mcmaster.com/leveling-pads

The little “10-32 nickel plated steel leveling pads” can support 700# each and have 2” of thread for $5 a piece. You’d need to make a mounting plate from 1/4” steel. With a screw that small you’d need to protect it from lateral force but with a long enough wrench you could easily subdivide a revolution into .0001 increments.

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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2018, 06:46 PM »
My apologize, I should have express myself a bit better. By micro adjustment I meant more in the 1/16 increment. There is many hydraulic/air compressed system I could have look at but those aren't accurate, unless you put the money on the table. I understand that it's hard to figure out what I want without having a concise idea of the table and it's components.

In essence you have a rolling cabinet (32" x 54") with a top (36" x 58") sitting on it. The top being a torsion box. The cart will most of the time being used as an outfeed table for the table saw. When I want to make an assembly I simply move it away from the table saw and work from 4 sides. Since my floor have a central drain with a ~1" pitch I want it to stay flat. The torsion itself is not rigid enough to compensate for any uneven surface. That's why I want to be able to slightly adjust each corner individually. I might Not need to make any adjustment at all. But better be happy than sorry  [tongue]
Mario

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2018, 09:07 PM »
My fault, only skimmed the thread.

Sounds like the floor is the problem. If it isn’t too late you might use adjustable height locking casters.

https://www.amazon.com/WoodRiver-Machine-Leveling-Caster-Mounted/dp/B0039ZIPL4?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_1

These only have a half inch range...

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2018, 11:19 AM »
My fault, only skimmed the thread.

Sounds like the floor is the problem. If it isn’t too late you might use adjustable height locking casters.

https://www.amazon.com/WoodRiver-Machine-Leveling-Caster-Mounted/dp/B0039ZIPL4?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_1

These only have a half inch range...

Those casters look pretty sweet. I already have the casters and like you said floor is the problem. What i am really concerned is to mitigate the torsion box distortion. I will give a try to what I found at LV and see if it keeps the surface flat.

On another note, I will incorporate the Vac-Sys into the table. The Pedal will be in the front center fixed into a little cove like on that thread and the pump will be on a shelf close to the top. Not sure yet about the position. In the event that I want occasionally to move it out of the cart can I use stander air pressure quick connect? The bases have a quick connect on the body but the pedal and pump are fixed.
Mario

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2018, 12:25 PM »
Hi Mario. I'm still not quite sure what you are trying to achieve...are you trying to level the entire outfeed table, or just the torsion box top? I have those levellers you showed in this thread, and as said earlier they are pretty course threads...and they are not a tight tolerance and tend to wiggle a bit...having said that, I haven't used them on a bench with that kind of weight....If you are looking to just level the torsion box I remembered watching a outfeed table build by downtoearthwooder and he used tee nuts and floor levellers that I have also used before, and they don't move.....here's the link if you haven't already watched this series. I think he shows in part how they work around the 10 minute mark..but he drills a hole in the top of his table for access....



Greg

 

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2018, 12:44 PM »
The torsion box only. I know a picture worth 1000 words  [scared]

First the torsion box alone will be around 80lb. It's made of 1 sheet of 15mm, 2 sheets of 12mm and 1 sheet of 18mm. In addition I have 2 t-tracks on the long side in the front. The T-tracks are for any clamping needs but mostly to hold and position the vac-sys bases.

On the bottom side of the torsion box I bore 6mm inset on each corners (possibly 2 more in the center). The insets are to keep the torsion box in place where the "levelers" will protrude. I actually have that part figured out, it will not be a micro-adjustment but at least some way to have the torsion box somehow flat.

I'm now at the base where I will have storage on each sides. Once I have the base constructed it will be easier to get a good picture of table.
Mario

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2018, 11:44 PM »
I came to this late and see you have the leveling figured out, but I would recommend bolts and nuts to level the table.  I used that method to level a miter saw on a stand I built a decade ago.  Works well. 


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Offline Mario Turcot

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« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2018, 09:37 AM »
@travisj very interesting setup. I took note if ever what I have is not effective,
Mario

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« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2018, 10:09 AM »
It works well and is relatively simple.  I can’t claim the idea, but I don’t recall where I found it.  Just for future reference if necessary I will add one more photo





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Offline Mario Turcot

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« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2018, 10:36 AM »
More pictures


The above picture shows the frame where the "levelers" (6) will be installed. That from will be on the top of the rolling cabinets. A similar frame will have the wheels on it and will support the whole table.

The above picture shows how the "levelers" will look. The Torsion box and the MFT top will sit directly on the "levelers".

I Hope this help to figure out what I want to achieve.  [big grin]
Mario

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2018, 12:03 PM »
*UPDATE*
Adding the Vac-Sys tracks

Only the track on the edge is installed & taking measurement for the second track.

It's coming together slowly  8)
Mario

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« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2018, 07:10 AM »
One more

Now that the two tracks are installed, I'm working on the 18mm piece that fit between the tracks. I have to make a rabbet on each side to accommodate the tracks. Next is the facing to hide the ply layers  [big grin] The top is about 75lb right now and if I lift it from one corner, there is no apparent bow. it's pretty stiff and rigid   [scared]

I was planning to use poplar, but poplar is a pretty soft wood. Any suggestion that will not break the bank?

This will round up the top, next is the base.

The actual cart you see under the top will be converted into a dual flip top for the thickness planer and oscillating sander units. Similar to
« Last Edit: December 03, 2018, 07:17 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline Alanbach

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Re: The My Shop Cart
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2018, 09:28 AM »
What is available in your area for a reasonable price? My preference would be hard maple and my second choice would probably be soft maple.

Offline Mario Turcot

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« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2018, 09:44 AM »
What is available in your area for a reasonable price? My preference would be hard maple and my second choice would probably be soft maple.

Thanks for the suggestion. I only need 20' so maple should fit in my budget.  [big grin]

For future reference, do you think I can trust that chart. Not all wood are listed but does that gives me a good representation of NA wood hardness?
« Last Edit: December 03, 2018, 09:49 AM by Mario Turcot »
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« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2018, 10:34 AM »
Mario,

Thanks for sharing the Fisher's clip. His 180* swing design is unique and better than the usual one. I also found his video easy to follow (good pace of delivery), with no distracting or annoying music throughout.

Offline Mario Turcot

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« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2018, 12:44 PM »
Mario,

Thanks for sharing the Fisher's clip. His 180* swing design is unique and better than the usual one. I also found his video easy to follow (good pace of delivery), with no distracting or annoying music throughout.

@ChuckM I like that one a lot. The only thing I would add is a open closet switch for each tool. That way only the tool on the top can be powered.  [big grin] or a simple limit switch



Oh and even better. An electro magnetic switch that will control both tools at the same time prioritizing the one on top. Yeah that's how I will make it  [wink]  Now I only have to brainstorm a way to hook up dust collection.
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« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2018, 03:14 PM »
I forgot to mention that he is good with keeping his talking to the subject matter with little to no unnecessary explanations (I call it the Norm Abram style), and hence his video length is well managed. I went to his youtube channel, and found his project videos are 15 minutes +-, others mostly 5 to 10 minutes.  I'll scan them out to see if anything is worth my full viewing.
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« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2018, 10:35 AM »
@gnlman yes I watched that video at least 4 times  [big grin] I'm slow to build something and that table would take me a few years to put together  [embarassed]
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« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2018, 01:24 PM »
lol...at least you have started your project...mine still in my head speaking of slow.....hahaha

Yes he's very detailed...but was only meaning for you to check out his table levelers....but appears you have the issue solved nicely.
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« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2018, 10:01 PM »
Found that cutting board that fit perfectly the size of the vac-sys base

The board will help sliding the base onto the tracks and also protect the vac-sys rubber seal/feet
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« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2018, 07:42 AM »
Not much done on the weekend  [embarassed]

The vac-sys base glide like a champ on the tracks  [big grin]


I shop around for hard maple for the edges and it was $200 from home depot  [scared] Going to pick up some at my prefered lumber yard this morning.

All that need to be done on the top is the edges, sanding and finish. Tackling the base design today. It's going to be a multi-bay type base. something like this


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« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2018, 07:27 AM »
When Veritas say their bench chisels

 have sharp edges they are not kidding!
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« Reply #52 on: December 29, 2018, 05:05 PM »
Update on the cart that time  [tongue]

The rolling bottom base.

The two front cabinets. Systainers are accessible from the sides.

Front view, the center part will have a cabinet to hold the vac-sys pump and pedal.

The top base, this is where the levelers will be affixed. That base will support the torsion box top and MFT style top.

I will make two cabinets similar to the systainer ones to hold the mini systainers, that will be on the back side. Between the two mini systainer cabinets I will have two 100mm  drawers for glue etc.. and ten 40mm drawers for hardware.

I still need to figure out how I will setup the vac-sys tubing. The vac-sys bases are on tracks so the tubing have to be flexible enough to accommodate each side of the table top.
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« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2019, 06:27 PM »
More progress..

It start to look like something useful  [scared]


I will have vertical drawer on each side in the middle.

Systainer and mini on each side + the closing base with the levelers


I still have to build the empty part where the thin drawers will be. This is the side that goes against the table saw when in outfeed mode  [big grin]
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« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2019, 07:42 PM »
Looking good!

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« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2019, 09:25 PM »
Question: Do you still have any room left for woodworking after all these shop builds? [tongue] [big grin]

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« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2019, 09:33 PM »
Question: Do you still have any room left for woodworking after all these shop builds? [tongue] [big grin]

A:  No!

I still need to make a similar cart in size for the CNC. I also need to fit a Hammer A3-31  [tongue]

A long time friend came to visit last weekend and his first impression of the shop was "You need a bigger place ASAP"  [big grin]
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« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2019, 09:40 PM »
Now...aiming to get a bigger shop is THE reason why you're building all these (and buying more machines)!
 [big grin]

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« Reply #58 on: January 13, 2019, 12:50 PM »
Some progress and the major mistake.

Front view of the table. The central cube is to fit the VAC-SYS pump and some storages. The grey tracks are holding the VAC-SYS bases.


Back view of the table. Again the central cube is for 10 thin drawers for storages. That side goes against the table saw when using as outfeed table.


Side view of the table. Storage for standard systainers and mini systainers on each side.


Now the mistake. The top end up being 16mm too high because I add another 18mm BB-ply on the top for the tracks. I have two options, replace the 5" wheels with 4" or remove the top base section(see picture below), that section hold all the cubes together. However all cubes are screwed together. Removing that section will not affect the base much.


Replacing the wheels is about 20 minutes + I already have 4" wheels. But I don't have access to the top of the bolts. Removing the top section is about 5 minutes.

What would you do?
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« Reply #59 on: January 13, 2019, 01:09 PM »
Raise the tablesaw.

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« Reply #60 on: January 13, 2019, 01:11 PM »
Like Mike said roll the table saw up on a piece of 18 mm ply and call it done.

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« Reply #61 on: January 13, 2019, 01:16 PM »
Do you need access to the top of the bolts?  Are they carriage bolts?  Just thinking if you can turn it over and even use needle-nose type vise-grips to lightly hold the ends of the bolts you might get the nuts off and reuse them without too much effort.

Here's what I would try as far as vise grips - https://www.amazon.com/Irwin-14-6LN-4-Inch-Capacity-6-Inch/dp/B00004SBB3/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1547403277&sr=8-15&keywords=vise+grip+pliers

I guess you glued and screwed the cabinets to that bottom? So no easy way to separate -

That would seem to be the easiest and fastest choice.

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« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2019, 01:44 PM »
You have done all of this work to make the cart exactly what you wanted. What is your gut telling you will make you happy? What is another hour in the scheme of the total build. I would replace the wheels.

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« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2019, 02:59 PM »
@Mikeoutrage you know what? I never ever though of raising the Tablesaw. I for the first time put the top on the base just last night and I instantly realize my mistake :(

Raising the tablesaw address two of my concerns. First it set the table saw and outfeed table at a perfect outfeed level, making the table saw 2mm higher then the outfeed. Second it fix the mental problem I have about dust going under the table saw cabinet. The tablesaw is sitting on a shopfox rolling base and there is always saw dust between the base frame and the cabinet. With a 18mm ply under the table saw I will still have saw dust but it will be a lot easier to vaccuum  [smile]. However I will need the help of 3 other peoples to lift the 54" table saw.

@neilc the whole thing is a 9 pieces table. Each piece is glued and domino/screwed. To hold everything together I only used GRK screws no glue. I can disassemble all pieces if I want without breaking anything.  [big grin]

To replace the wheels I may have to disassemble all 4 corner cubes. For some obscure reasons I used 1/4" countersink bolts and had to cut the bolts shorter with an angle grinder + I used nylon nuts  [eek] The bolts will for sure turn on them self  [crying]

Thank you for the suggestions, I will sleep on that and take a decision tomorrow  [wink]
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« Reply #64 on: January 13, 2019, 04:19 PM »
Hi Mario. I guess the other issue to think about is if you are trying to match the height of any of your other tables or rolling tools ect. then leaving the table as is might be an issue for you...
Moving your table saw by yourself is harder, but possible.
I have 2 of these....
https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.inflatable-reusable-shim-300-lbs.1001043193.html

The air bags are very handy for leveling things ect. I moved my 350 bandsaw onto a mobile base with them and some doweling..was very easy.
Pump up one side of table saw, insert a few dowels a bit higher than plywood you are putting under saw...roll saw out of way, lay plywood...roll saw back on plywood...pump up saw base remove dowels....worked great for me...also for leveling benches ect.
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« Reply #65 on: January 13, 2019, 06:05 PM »
@gnlman Thank you for the tip. I will look for those next time I go to HD since I often need another set of hands :)

My table saw is 550lbs do you think they are strong enough for that?

I could not wait for tomorrow and since I already have smaller wheels I begin removing them one at a time and putting back the cubes as I go. I'm on coffee break after 2 wheels change  [big grin]

I actually replacing 4" wheels for 3"  [embarassed]

Interesting how price fluctuate, I bought that table saw two years ago during a BusyBeeTools garage sale and I payed 1900$ tax included.  [jawdrop]
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« Reply #66 on: January 13, 2019, 06:14 PM »
Hi Mario. Yeah a bit more work to replace wheels, but worth it to get your height where you want it.

Well I believe they are rated for 300 pounds so I'd use 2..mind you, if you are only lifting one side, one bag might work. I usually use one bag to lift, and if I need the item higher I shim with wood but leave enough space for second bag (deflated) on top of dunnage...let air out of first bag start pumping second bag until you reach height you need. I bought mine at KMS tools, but I know amazon also sells them as well. I've used them a lot...great for levelling things as it takes pressure off levellers making the easy to adjust then let air out of bag and check adjustment....if still off just pump bag up again.
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« Reply #67 on: January 13, 2019, 07:47 PM »
The difference between the 4" and 3" should be enough. Hopefully both wheels plate are the same size and spacing.


Was easy to remove each corner to replace the wheels.


And now the table fit under the table saw fence.  [big grin]


Closing the shop for the night.
Mario

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« Reply #68 on: January 13, 2019, 07:49 PM »
Great job, cart looks good.
Hmmm those are same lee valley wheels I use...or it looks like them...very nice wheels and double lock.
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« Reply #69 on: January 13, 2019, 07:50 PM »
Great job, cart looks good.
Hmmm those are same lee valley wheels I use...or it looks like them...very nice wheels and double lock.
Greg

Thank you Greg. Yes they are from LV. Expensive but effective  [smile]
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« Reply #70 on: January 14, 2019, 10:07 AM »
Nice job Mario... [smile].  It's coming together well.

I really like the track system for the VAC SYS.   [cool]

With the polypro cutting board under each SYS VAC unit, you can now evacuate each cavity area under the SYS VAC. Using those cavities will give you approximately 10X more time in case of an electrical failure.

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« Reply #71 on: January 14, 2019, 10:45 AM »
Thank you @Cheese I will post a picture with the VAC-SYS bases on. I still have to install the teflon cutting board to the second base and I'm in business with some ways to clamp boards finally [big grin]

I still have a lot to do on the table.

- Install the VAC-SYS pump on a drawer for easy access,
- Manage the tubes in a way that it's going to be easy to remove and put back the bases without having to deal with the tubes all over the table,
- More drawers on each side to store the DF500 and eventually the DF700
-Shelves for the mini-systainers,
-Vertical drawers for the cubes to goes all the way on each side. I will Probably store my table saw blades and accessories in those drawers,
-10 thin drawers for hardware,
-Install some power outlets,
-Finally, rounding corners, sanding and put a few coats of hard wax.

Did I missed anything? Oh yeah a kraft paper roll holder  [smile]

The next project will be a easy to remove/light MFT top to sit on it  [smile]

I didn't put dog holes on the actual top because it's a torsion box and I would have to make holes on both sides.  [sad]

More to come soon..
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« Reply #72 on: January 14, 2019, 10:51 AM »
With the polypro cutting board under each SYS VAC unit, you can now evacuate each cavity area under the SYS VAC. Using those cavities will give you approximately 10X more time in case of an electrical failure.

You know what? I used the VAC-SYS 10 days ago and last weekend I was moving stuff and put a board on the base and the board got sucked to it  [eek] Not strong holding but still I feel some pressure
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Offline Mario Turcot

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« Reply #73 on: January 15, 2019, 09:51 PM »
@Cheese There you go!



Extra hoses, I will probably have to read the booklet to figure what the short one is for.
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« Reply #74 on: January 15, 2019, 10:14 PM »
@Cheese There you go!

That's slick Mario...and also SICK as they say in the motor-head community. [big grin] [big grin]  Me likey!!!

Is that octopus of tubing a problem? It would be nice if you could somehow bundle that to be out of the way.  [smile]

One of my mantras that I regularly repeat on a weekly, almost daily basis is that:

I HATE electrical cords
I HATE wires
I HATE hoses.

So for me going cordless is pure bliss. That's my end game. [smile]

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« Reply #75 on: January 15, 2019, 10:21 PM »
@Cheese There you go!

That's slick Mario...and also SICK as they say in the motor-head community. [big grin] [big grin]  Me likey!!!

Is that octopus of tubing a problem? It would be nice if you could somehow bundle that to be out of the way.  [smile]

One of my mantras that I regularly repeat on a weekly, almost daily basis is that:

I HATE electrical cords
I HATE wires
I HATE hoses.

So for me going cordless is pure bliss. That's my end game. [smile]

Pretty much the same feeling about wires and hoses  [mad]

That's my next challenge. I want the bases easy to remove and put back. I will probably put two quick disconnects through the top. I have to brainstorm on that  [cool]
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« Reply #76 on: January 15, 2019, 10:56 PM »
I will probably put two quick disconnects through the top. I have to brainstorm on that  [cool]

Just thinking on this, the board between the tracks is just a filler strip. So if you ran a manifold system in that space or allowed the hoses to coil & uncoil (partially hidden) in that space, that may tidy up the hose issue.

Think plumbing from the pump directly up into the filler space and then branch out from there. Just an idea. [big grin]

Quick disconnects are you're friends.  [smile]

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« Reply #77 on: February 21, 2019, 09:09 AM »
@Mario Turcot I'm not quite sure how I missed your thread but I wish I had saw it sooner. We're after somewhat similar goals of incorporating the Vac Sys into a mobile cart. Mine is a lot less ambitious though. http://festoolownersgroup.com/member-projects/vac-sys-mobile-cart/

I'm still cooking up some ideas for the top but I, too, would like to add quick disconnect to the base hose(s). I have a drawer almost complete that should be pretty slick for holding the extra vacuum heads.
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« Reply #78 on: February 21, 2019, 10:54 AM »
@Mario Turcot I'm not quite sure how I missed your thread but I wish I had saw it sooner. We're after somewhat similar goals of incorporating the Vac Sys into a mobile cart. Mine is a lot less ambitious though. http://festoolownersgroup.com/member-projects/vac-sys-mobile-cart/

I'm still cooking up some ideas for the top but I, too, would like to add quick disconnect to the base hose(s). I have a drawer almost complete that should be pretty slick for holding the extra vacuum heads.

Maybe a little late for this .. but I've recently began following Bentswoodworking on Instagram and he just finished an MFT cart with Vac Sys incorporated ... take a look.  I think he may have a video on his YouTube channel also?
Bentswoodworking MFT cart ..

Offline Mario Turcot

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« Reply #79 on: February 21, 2019, 12:59 PM »
@TrackTubesGuy
Maybe a little late for this .. but I've recently began following Bentswoodworking on Instagram and he just finished an MFT cart with Vac Sys incorporated ... take a look.  I think he may have a video on his YouTube channel also?
Bentswoodworking MFT cart ..

Yes I watched that video the day it was out  [big grin]

He did a greeeeeeat job on that cart. Mine will not use a Festool MFT but a custom MFT top only.

I still have a lot to do on it. Like breaking the sharp edges on the torsion box and add power strips on both sides & more. I figure i should be done by June  [eek]
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« Reply #80 on: February 24, 2019, 04:32 PM »
And some more updates

Stabilizers, the top is floating on the base and the stabilizers ensure the top do not move when I want to move away the whole table. The black spacers are adjustable feet up side down giving the ability to level the top if the floor is not even. I have about 3/4" play. The top alone is about 150lbs it's made of 2 sheets of 12mm 1 sheet of 18mm and one sheet of 15mm for the torsion part. Sheets are all Baltic Birch 60" x 60". The overall size of the top is 42 1/2" x 58" with an overhang of 2" on each side.


Time to put down the top onto the base. Some round over and sanding required.


Front side, two drawers. One to hold the Vac-Sys pump & accessories and one to store the Vac-Sys bases. There will be a power strip on each side and a switch to activate the Vac-Sys pump. I still have to figure out the Vac-Sys pipes but everything will be on quick connect for fast removal.


Left side, plan is to store the DF500 and the small dominos. There is also a bin for mini systainers for common screws etc..


Right side, plan is to store the DF700 and the large dominos. Again more mini systainers. The central opening you see here is unknown  [eek]


Back side, large/thin drawers to store hardwares. That side face the table saw when used as outfeed table.


Round over on all corners. the edge is made of hard maple. Next thing to do on the top is a good sanding and a coat of sealer.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2019, 04:42 PM by Mario Turcot »
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« Reply #81 on: March 01, 2019, 08:09 PM »
Two coats of B

That finish is thick but easy to apply.


Last coat tomorrow morning  [big grin]
Mario

Offline DashZero

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« Reply #82 on: March 15, 2019, 10:05 PM »
Very nice job so far.

Offline Alanbach

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« Reply #83 on: March 16, 2019, 12:19 AM »
@Mario Turcot - Mario, do you plan on putting an MFT style grid in this top?

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« Reply #84 on: March 16, 2019, 06:32 PM »
Very nice job so far.

Thank you!

@Mario Turcot - Mario, do you plan on putting an MFT style grid in this top?

Yes & No

The top you see is a 4"1/2 torsion box and I don't want to make holes in it. The top is removable and is sitting on 6 leveling legs to get it somehow leveled when I need to. The box is extremely rigid and weight around 130lbs. I will be making a MFT top separately with a maple edge like this one that will incase on the actual top. The MFT top will be at about 39-40" from the floor and should be about 60lbs w/o accessories.

I still have a lot to do on the cart. I'm working on my CNC re-doing the spoilboard atm.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2019, 09:07 PM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline Alanbach

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« Reply #85 on: March 16, 2019, 08:55 PM »
Cool, thanks!