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We started a flooring job today which should be fun  . We are laying 70mm insulation over Vis-queen which then has a layer T & G chipboard glued together then a layer of paper/cardboard on top of that. The final layer is the unusual bit we are using 4000mm x 400mm x 35mm thick solid wood (maybe engineered not seen it yet) not sure what wood as its not been delivered yet. This as far as I know is T & G too and we are screwing and pelleting this down to the chipboard. The client saw this floor somewhere and decided he wanted it in his house, the 4 m lengths are so that you don't have any end joints anywhere, the boards go the entire width of the room. There is no skirting either the floor has to be cut with and exact 10mm gap all the way around which will be filled with cork , sounds small to me but that's what they have specified. Its a very odd house too, looks like a club or bar or something. The roof is all huge gluelam beams and T & G cladding, all doors are huge pocket doors and there is no plaster anywhere all the interior walls are bare brickwork. Looks to me like it was a 1980's experimental house or something. Here is today's job to lay all the vis-queen and insulation. On to the chipboard tomorrow 
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2012, 04:43 PM » |
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unusual job. keep us updated. soundslike you need the ts55r tot the gap after the floor is in
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2012, 04:57 PM » |
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It is unusual.
Love the see pictures of it!
Not fond of the brick work on show. From the pictures doesn't look like they are really nice lookin bricks.
The 10mm gap does seem small to me also! Especially if your filling it with cork cus that does reduce the expansion slightly even though it is soft.
lol I tend to leave 20-30 mm expansion gaps for flooring with no cork filler so lol 10mm is tiny in my crazy world. I think Dean Social thinks im a little over the top now he has worked with me for a little bit now lol
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2012, 06:01 PM » |
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Any more pictures of the rest of the house, doors etc ? Safe to say that flooring will be engineered or laminated. Prob like putting a young n groove on stair stringer 
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If its made of wood, i can make it smaller. Shirt size medium p.s- ive started reading these too
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2012, 02:51 PM » |
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Hi guys, I'm on mobile right now but when wifey gets off pc I will post today's pics. Flooring turned up today on a flat bed lorry. It's longer than I thought, some lengths are around 10 metres  . It's Douglas fir 35mm thick with loose tongues. We've been supplied with everything we need even some really nice drill counter bore drill bits to plug it all. It took about 4 people to safely carry the long lengths to give you some idea of the size. Most of the room is shorter luckily.
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2012, 03:16 PM » |
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2012, 03:29 PM » |
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One thing I never mentioned was that there are also floor heating vents all the way around the room that we have to cut around just to make it even more tricky 
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2012, 03:34 PM » |
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I love to see these types of threads.
Is it normal to let the flooring acclimate to it's surroundings for a few weeks on your side of the pond?
Peter
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2012, 03:36 PM » |
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I love to see these types of threads.
Is it normal to let the flooring acclimate to it's surroundings for a few weeks on your side of the pond?
Peter
Yes Peter usually this is the norm to let it acclimatise to the room but we have been told its fine to fit it as its already at the right moisture content I suppose.
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2012, 03:45 PM » |
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Wow. What a risk with boards that wide. I am not criticizing you at all.
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The tools in my truck were talking the other day. The Dewalts, PC's, Boschs, Makitas were not happy. They also were in the minority. Their complaint: They felt unused and unappreciated since the Festools moved in. I guess the truth hurts.
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2012, 03:51 PM » |
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No worries Peter Im not worried as im just working for the main contractor and we are just laying the floor as we have been told by the suppliers, so if it all goes wrong its their problem  . I don't think there will be any problems as everything so far material-wise has been top notch no expense spared so I'm sure they now what they are doing "where's the fingers crossed smiley"  PS i know exactly what you mean Peter I laid a solid oak floor glue to concrete a few years back for an architect. The floor sat there for 8 weeks until it was OK to lay and it looks beautiful to this day, but they underestimated how much we needed and as he wanted to move in to his new house he asked us to lay the next lot after only one week. As you can guess that section looks crap, it cupped and shrank. I warned him but what more can you do.
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2012, 01:27 PM » |
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Finished off the chipboard flooring today, then we started setting out the Douglas fir boards. We have marks around 700mm apart starting 50mm in from the ends of the boards at each end of the room and the plan is to run a string line across every time we drill and fix so that the pellets are in a dead straight line. We have only cut in and fixed two boards so far but they seem to go together well and are nice and straight. As far as I know they were shipped in from Denmark, also found out that the home owner owns a chain of designer furniture shops in London , that explains the unusual choice of flooring  . Regards letting the boards acclimatise to the room , I asked about that today and apparently the supplier says this stuff can be laid straight away and only needs to acclimatise in the winter. The drill bits they have supplied with everything are really nice. A 5mm spur bit with an adjustable outer cutter which cuts the counter bore, they cut really nice clean holes. 
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2012, 04:19 PM » |
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Kinda weird, you look down whilst walking & you could think you have shrunk 
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2012, 05:45 PM » |
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Wow I would love to be on that job.....  I was browsing and found this web-site http://www.dinesen.com/eng/douglas_traets.php is the floor from this crowd? Douglas fir is lovely to work with and I hope it all goes together well for you. Have you found out how they plan to finish it? Must be tough on the old spinal column laying lenghts that long too.
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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2012, 01:08 AM » |
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I did see the finish somewhere will take another look today and let you know. Some mops turned up I'm guessing they are for applying the finish , we are not involved with that side of it we are just laying the floor. Yes its not good carrying the longest lengths.
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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2012, 04:35 AM » |
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I guess it should look something like this then 
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Kinda weird, you look down whilst walking & you could think you have shrunk   Just spat coffee over my monitor and a quote I just printed off, comments like that need a "funny" warning On topic... I spoke to a client who has run a flooring business for many many lots of years and the consensus is that if the timber flooring is treated a prescribed by the manufacturer and it is not made by Junkers then there really should not be an issue with movement. I would be interested in knowing what the moisture content is of the boards though!  Rob
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Wow I would love to be on that job.....  I was browsing and found this web-site http://www.dinesen.com/eng/douglas_traets.php is the floor from this crowd? Douglas fir is lovely to work with and I hope it all goes together well for you. Have you found out how they plan to finish it? Must be tough on the old spinal column laying lenghts that long too. Yes, it appears to be from Dinesen here in Denmark. You'll notice their logo on the parcel left on the truck. They make some truly beautiful floors. There's a nice gallery on their web site: http://www.dinesen.com/eng/fronteng.php- Kristian
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Kinda weird, you look down whilst walking & you could think you have shrunk   Just spat coffee over my monitor and a quote I just printed off, comments like that need a "funny" warning On topic... I spoke to a client who has run a flooring business for many many lots of years and the consensus is that if the timber flooring is treated a prescribed by the manufacturer and it is not made by Junkers then there really should not be an issue with movement. I would be interested in knowing what the moisture content is of the boards though!  Rob 8-10% acorrding to their site
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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2012, 02:25 PM » |
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Hi all, not had a chance to look at the website for dinesen but yes you are right that's who supplied it all. Apparently the client has this stuff in his shops. Had fun today we had to fiddle about ans swap around the two boards we laid yesterday we weren't happy with the setting out. Now its dead square etc and were happy  . 4 of us today and we managed to fit all the longest boards out into the entrance hallway so now its just the shorter main room boards to lay. I've gotta cut in a floor socket box tomorrow should be fun. The boards feel really dry but I don't know the exact moisture content. I know one thing they are beautiful and really well machined, they knock together really nice and are dead straight which I didn't expect. Unloading tools this morning and the client spotted the festool boxes and said oh that's good you've got festool you MUST know what you're doing  Will post another pic if I have time later.
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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2012, 02:57 PM » |
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looked at the site and they do an oak with all te splits stitch which looks nice
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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2012, 03:57 PM » |
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The client told me that they can supply these boards even longer but they have to be tapered because of the shape of the trees. I haven't got a clue what finish it is they are using that's not my forte, I had a look and it says on some bottles "soap" others say "lye"  anyway we are not sanding or finishing that's down to someone else. These pictures don't do it justice it really is a stunning floor I bet it will look amazing when its sanded and finished. Im not looking forward to putting in all the pellets  We've only fixed at the ends and centre at the moment and will drill the rest at approx 700 centres using a string line when we are finished laying it all 
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Nice, large, but down to earth job Chris... You are doing well there. Just keep 'plugging' away.  I would be 'board' stiff myself, but really my knees wouldn't cope!  Cheers Wurth Loadsmore 
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It started with a : TS 55 REBQ-Plus-FS Then parallel guides.... Extra tracks. Now a Domino 500! My shop is turning green and black. Regards, Hook.
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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2012, 12:31 PM » |
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These pictures don't do it justice it really is a stunning floor I bet it will look amazing when its sanded and finished. Im not looking forward to putting in all the pellets
Chris: Amazing floor and boards. Thanks for the introduction to the company. The photo's of interiors on their website are beautiful. Tim
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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2012, 04:27 PM » |
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We are on the home straight now most of the large boards in now now it narrows down into a small corridor. Couple of pics one of the whole floor and one of the floor socket I had to cut out on Friday. I used my ts55 and a jigsaw to cut it out and managed to keep the cut out piece to fit into the flap/cover so the grain matches. It looks a bit wobbly in the picture but take my word for it the edges are perfect  . The full fitting cannot be fitted until the floor is fully sanded so it can be set up flush with the floor. You can see how crisp the pellet/plug holes are in the second photo the drills supplied with the floor are really good quality (don't know what brand). Another thing to note with this floor is that all the loose knots have been fixed with some sort of resin at the factory so no worry of them falling out.  
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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2012, 01:48 PM » |
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We have finished laying most of the floor now just one small cupboard/room but we are waiting for a floor access/man hole cover that we have to fit in that bit. Today we finished laying in the main room and started sanding off the plugs with my Metabo ROS they sand down really nice and almost vanish after all the fuss we made string lining all the holes  . Photo below of the floor socket almost finished, down to the floor sander/finisher now to do his bit now. When its all done the client has promised to email me some photos. 
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« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2012, 01:59 PM » |
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Very nice work, love the socket detail (grain match) I have tried to do this on clear finished floors when having to cut around rad pipes etc, you know dovetail cuts with a fine saw, but the shadow line/gap on the socket fitting looks right. Can I please borrow that pic to show future clients?
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« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2012, 03:09 PM » |
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No worries Rob, I cut it out with my ts55 so that I wouldn't damage the centre peice so the grain matched. It's not finished either it will look sweet when its fully fitted. The socket is made up of a back box which I cut into the chipboard below the wood floor. Then the socket part fits into that with 4 bolts that act as legs, you wind these down into the back box to level it all up then the top flap part and surround screw to this.
Really nice floor I'm glad I got the chance to fit it makes a change from the usual hardwood floors we do.
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« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2012, 04:55 PM » |
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That really looks the mutts Chris - well done!
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