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Offline SittingElf

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Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« on: May 05, 2015, 09:25 PM »
My wife wants to do some veggie gardening this summer. I already put together a simple 6" raised bed garden for her in the back yard, but we needed something to keep the animals and the dog out, so I started looking  for a solution.

I found the Veg Trug which is expensive for a product made in China.....Much more that I wanted to spend and is delivered in an IKEA style system requiring assembly.


I looked at the product and thought "I should be able to build this a lot cheaper", and so the build saga began. 

With only the picture to reference from, I took the metric measurements shown in the photo, and converted to closest imperial, and then went to the BORG to buy lumber to build.  I am a little crippled, because I only brought tools up from our Florida home to the Georgia rental for things I thought I'd need for other pending projects. I've made do, but it would have helped to be in my full shop. (Especially for dado's and half-laps on the table saw and/or router table)

I cut most of the major pieces to size, and equally spaced the panels that form the sides of the planter...


Cut the legs to size and then spent a lot of time trying to figure the angle of the miter required at the top of each leg, so I clamped the uncut frame together to carefully lay the panels into the frame to mark the approximate angles.


Having gotten an eyeball look at the angles, I did a few shallower miter cuts, and kept going back to the frame to check if it was flush at the top yet, and then going back to the Kapex to increase the miter angle repeatedly in stages.... Ended up finding that I needed a 52 degree miter for a perfect fit. I was then able to set the exact height of the cross beams from the floor, and needed to cut half-laps in them; the legs, and the longitudinal brace. All 15 of them!  I would have used my Carvex for the half-laps, but I realized that I had only brought the 75mm blades, and needed the 105's. Not long enough with the 75's to do a longitudinal cut through the ends of 2x4's. Also no way to set up a jig for any of my routers, and didn't really have a bit that would be appropriate anyway. SO..... off to the Kapex for about 2 hours of dadoing and trenching the required cuts. PAIN IN THE BUTT!!!  I was also very disappointed in the dust collection on the Kapex while doing these cuts. I have to figure that out because it ain't what I paid $1400 for!!  Once the miters, half-laps, and dado's were completed, I did a test assembly using only clamps. It seems to be as perfect as I can hope for.


Finally, at this point, I used my PDC and a 1/2" bit to drill the holes in the legs and braces for the 1/2" bolts used to hold the frame together. Once done, and loosely bolted, I checked the fit once again and I'm pretty happy with the progress. 


That's where I left it until this point. I took a trip to Highland Woodworking in Atlanta today to take a break. Tomorrow, hopefully I'll get close to completion with the hard attachment of the panels, and then the 1x6 tops surrounding the whole planter.  Still deciding what simple finish to spray for a little outdoor protection against weather and UV, but can't interfere with plant growth or health.

Tools used so far:
Kapex (Sizing, Half-Laps, Trenching dado's, Rabits)
CXS (Pilot holes)
PDC (Screws and hard drilling)
Festool Stabila LVL1400 (1400mm Level)

I'll add more as I progress. Comments and suggestions are welcome.

Cheers,
Frank
« Last Edit: May 05, 2015, 10:19 PM by SittingElf »
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Offline jacko9

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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2015, 11:06 PM »
Nice job Frank,  Where's your Domino Joiner?

Jack

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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2015, 11:13 PM »
Nice job Frank,  Where's your Domino Joiner?

Jack

I have both my 500 and 700 Domino's with me, but really didn't see the application for them on THIS project.

I did use the 500 for my Breadbox/Towel Dispenser build earlier. 

Did I miss an opportunity?  Not sure, but I don't think so. [scratch chin]

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Offline Gerald_D

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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2015, 11:13 PM »
Frank,

I like the work so far, but having 5 stacks of systainers in the background, is that really 'making do'???   ???
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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2015, 01:52 AM »
I built three last spring for my wife.  Produced a Sketchup drawing first.  Modified the ends to be full panels vs v shape.  Found a garden supply store that sells the fabric linners.
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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2015, 05:56 AM »
I built three last spring for my wife.  Produced a Sketchup drawing first.  Modified the ends to be full panels vs v shape.  Found a garden supply store that sells the fabric linners.

Got any pictures of yours? 
Any particular reason you did the panels differently? 
I would have made a Sketchup drawing first as well....if I had even the slightest ability to work with the program! [embarassed]

I also ordered the liner already sized for the interior. It was cheap, around $15.  I realize it's nothing more than garden fabric, but it's sewn, sized, and the drawstring is helpful. Saves me the hassle of trying to make a snug fitting liner.

Cheers,
Frank
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Offline AdrianH

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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2015, 06:47 PM »
Nice work Frank, I'm glad my wife does not visit the FOG or I would be building one of those this weekend
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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2015, 08:35 PM »
Nice job Frank,  Where's your Domino Joiner?

Jack

I have both my 500 and 700 Domino's with me, but really didn't see the application for them on THIS project.

I did use the 500 for my Breadbox/Towel Dispenser build earlier. 

Did I miss an opportunity?  Not sure, but I don't think so. [scratch chin]

Cheers,
Frank

Frank, You mentioned that the Leg to rail half lap joints were time consuming and that might be the place I would have used my Domino Joiner (probably the XL700).

Good job, I'm sure your wife will be happy.

Jack

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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2015, 09:01 PM »
Interesting design, Frank.

I'm trying a few raised garden beds this year for the first time. I've just framed up some 2x2s and chicken wire to cover the boxes to keep the critters out. I put wire screen on the bottoms of the boxes too to keep them from burrowing under.

But my new neighbor, who's from Germany oddly enough, is going to try some hydroponic stuff that I'm interested to see.

Hope your wife's garden turns out well. Post a follow up on if it keeps the critters out.

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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2015, 11:19 PM »
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Shane said:
But my new neighbor, who's from Germany oddly enough, is going to try some hydroponic stuff that I'm interested to see.

Sounds interesting. Do see if you can post some details. My dad did something like that years back. He had a polystyrene box that held water with nutrients then a bag of dirt on top. Cut some holes then planted the plant of interest, like Tomatoe. Haven't seen that design in the states.

Do like the build Frank!!

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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2015, 01:09 AM »
Hi Frank, I will get a couple photos.  I felt that having the end panels spanning from leg to leg would aid in squaring end and increase strength.  Simplified construction also. I also doweled the boards on the end panels.  Edit with photos and spelling [wink]
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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2015, 05:41 PM »
A LOT of progress today after being down with a very bad cold yesterday.

Snoring Bear had a very good suggestion about the ends which I decided to use in lieu of the triangular slats that the original has.

First, got all the slats completed and attached to the outer frame. It was pretty nice to see it all fit after having had difficulties trying to find the right miter angle for the top of the legs....



Next, started the cutting and attachment of the end caps. I had to play around for a bit to find just the right height off the floor, and clear of the bolts to make it all work out. It did in the end!



Finally the top frame measured thrice, cut once (well...maybe a tiny extra trim cut on one side!), and the Trug is nearly completed!
Covered up for the rest of today. My wife will be home soon and still hasn't seen it. I want to put it in its final location, filled with soil, and a few veggie plants to surprise her on Sunday.



Tomorrow, while she's doing something else, I'll spray the whole frame with Thompson's Water Seal for some protection against weather, and having already checked the fitting of the liner, it should be ready for soil by Sunday Morning.

The black feet on the legs were done with Plasti-Dip Spray.  If you haven't discovered this product, it is awesome. I have dipped all of my steel hand tool handles with it, and they are all standing up perfectly. Available in different colors, and as a spray, or dip.



And now....after a hot working day, there is only one useful thing left to do! [tongue]



Pics in the garden next. Whew! [big grin]

Cheers,
Frank
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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2015, 06:23 PM »
LOL - Dang that last picture did it for me Frank!  Great job and happy planting.

Jack

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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2015, 01:19 AM »
I will have get that dip for the legs also.  In my part of the world, the optional green house http://www.leevalley.com/en/garden/page.aspx?p=71783&cat=2,51603 frame helps out a lot.
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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2015, 04:58 AM »
Wow, I've  also built this planter  week ago or so, but i went for classic Vegtrug design.


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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2015, 07:01 AM »
Wow, I've  also built this planter  week ago or so, but i went for classic Vegtrug design.


Nice job!

Curious..... How did you attach the cross beams?  I used half-laps like the original, but it looks like you went straight into the ends?

Also, to my original post for tools used, I added:
TS55 to rip 1x6 in half
PSC420 for trimming
EHL65 for a high point in one of the boards

To be honest, this build would have been much easier if I had access to my tablesaw, jointer/planer, and router table. But that being said, the Festool "system", being portable, was sufficient to complete the build. Total cost... just a bit over $100, including wood, bolts, Plasti-Dip, Water-Seal, and screws.

No Dominos were injured in the making of this project... [big grin]

Frank

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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2015, 12:08 PM »
Annnnnnddddddd.... COMPLETE!  Ready for planting!
Wife caught me trying to hide it. So, it's a day early for Mother's Day, but she LOVES it, and I'll probably get lucky tonight!! [big grin]



OK... what's next? [eek]

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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2015, 01:06 PM »
Wow, I've  also built this planter  week ago or so, but i went for classic Vegtrug design.


Nice job!

Curious..... How did you attach the cross beams?  I used half-laps like the original, but it looks like you went straight into the ends?


At first i've attached the cross beams with Domino but at the end i've added some GRK RSS long screw for more strength.
 

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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2015, 07:57 PM »
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Shane said:
But my new neighbor, who's from Germany oddly enough, is going to try some hydroponic stuff that I'm interested to see.

Sounds interesting. Do see if you can post some details. My dad did something like that years back. He had a polystyrene box that held water with nutrients then a bag of dirt on top. Cut some holes then planted the plant of interest, like Tomatoe. Haven't seen that design in the states.

Look up Kratky hydroponics.
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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2015, 05:27 PM »
And now, it's planted!

I also didn't like the pine straw underneath originally, so I replaced it with red cypress mulch. Looks a lot better in my opinion.

Set up soaker hose irrigation on a timer, so plants will get regular watering during the summer heat when my wife forgets! [scared]

Plants = Tomatoes (five varieties), herbs (x3), cucumbers, and spinach.



Back to Nigeria for six weeks next week. Hope this all survives until my return in early July! [big grin]

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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2015, 10:21 PM »
Thanks Frank for generating the Vegtrug knock-off idea.  Built mine over the weekend, just in time to receive some tomato and lettuce seedlings.  Pictures of the build:

For the half-lap joints, I secured the 2x4s together with scrap on one end and a clamp on the other and did some rail guided routing with the OF1400:

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Secured the legs with glue and a carriage bolt through the joint, and then determined the right angle on the verticals:

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Putting together the slats, with scrap for 1" spacers:

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Cut the assembled slats to size and square:

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Attaching the slats:

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Attaching the edge pieces:

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Cutting the end caps to size:

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All finished:

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Plants now have a home:

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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2015, 04:49 AM »
Nicely done Ed! [big grin]

I smacked my head when I saw how you did the half-laps.  I should have thought of that! [embarassed]

Let's post pics in the Summer when the plants are producing!

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Frank
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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2015, 08:35 AM »
@SittingElf  - Frank you inspired me to promise the boss her raised-bed Mother's Day gift (What do you give when you neglect to have the gift in time?.?.? An IOU!) would be ready to plant by Memorial Day, just made it...

The boss wanted a 2 tier planter, so I went with 2 narrower troughs. Planning Phase:

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Dry fit:

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The peanut gallery (a pair of nesting gold crested night herons):

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Test fit:

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Final product:

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I neglected to get a photo but the legs are tied together with thru-bolted trestles. It all breaks down for storage in the winter. SWMBO is happy, & along with the MIL is out playing in the dirt right now.

Mission accomplished!

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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2015, 09:42 AM »
Very nice.  Thanks for sharing, Bill

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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2015, 12:20 AM »
That is a REALLY nice shallow planting system. Very esthetically pleasing! [tongue]

Cheers,
Frank
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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2015, 08:44 AM »
Very Cool!  [smile]

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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2015, 09:13 AM »
Frank,
Thanks for sharing and providing the inspiration.  My wife and I are building a new home this year (and I'm building all the cabinets and milling all the trim) so this will need to wait until I'm in the new shop, but it will need to be one of the first projects next spring.  Wife will love it!!  (Maybe she'll be OK with me buying another Festool?!?).

One question:  Did you apply any finish?  If so, what did you use?

Regards,
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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2015, 10:19 AM »
After looking at others I copied as best I could.  Wife doesn't know these exist yet, was able to get them done while she is gone for a couple of weeks.  She will have to decide on the placement on the patio, then we will put the liners in and fill them.  I used Cedar fence pickets for the spaced interior boards, ripped them down with the TS55.

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Re: Veg Trug type planter for my wife...
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2015, 10:24 AM »
Frank,
Thanks for sharing and providing the inspiration.  My wife and I are building a new home this year (and I'm building all the cabinets and milling all the trim) so this will need to wait until I'm in the new shop, but it will need to be one of the first projects next spring.  Wife will love it!!  (Maybe she'll be OK with me buying another Festool?!?).

One question:  Did you apply any finish?  If so, what did you use?

Regards,
Gerald

Hi Gerald,

I just used two spray coats of Thompson's Water Seal. Available at the big box stores. It basically protects the wood from water and I didn't want to use anything that might affect the plants or food safety.  Seems to work really well.

Have fun building, but be careful...my neighbors and in-laws saw this and want me to build the same system for them at some point!

Cheers,
Frank
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