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Offline billg71

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2011, 10:01 PM »
Sounds like Festool with the MFT1080.  Or a $800 contractor's wheeled mitersaw station that doesn't allow crown moulding stops??

Seriously though, all the complaints about apple are the same shortcomings you all accept with open wallets from Festool.

JT

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My first iPhone was the iPhone 4, I bought my daughter a MacBook for Christmas a couple of years ago and my next laptop will most likely be a MacBook Pro. Apple makes some genuinely excellent products, you just have to ignore the hype and drill down past the marketing BS to figure out which ones they are.

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Offline Noah Nordrum

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2011, 10:05 PM »
Not trying to troll,serious question.

All you iOS-hating Android lovers, what can you do on your droid THAT YOU ACTUALLY DO that you can't do on iPhone/iPad?

I don't really care that I could theoretically do a ton of stuff that I have no functional use for.

I could remove the limiter on my car, but I don't ever go over 155 so who cares...

I find people, in general, who crap on apple stuff are all theoretical arguments of "yeah, but I can't do something." windows and android have limitations too, so you're being caprecious in your complaint selection unless it actually affects your stubborn  ;)
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Offline b_m_hart

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2011, 10:12 PM »
Been using the motorola toy for around three months now.  Its a very nice toy, but it isn't as good as the new I pad.

Offline GhostFist

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2011, 10:17 PM »
There are several things i can do on my Android that can't  be done on the iphone, a big one is expand upon the memory thus prolonging the use of the device without having to delete things. Should something go wrong with the battery I can simply replace it with out having to take it in, and pay for service. The Android OS is fully customizable, you're free to install many different flavours of android which are customized by independent developers, these are all optimized in different ways to improve performance depending on how you use your phone. The interface is fully customizable with numerous Launchers on the market that allow you not only change the way apk's are organized but how they operate. That's a start I suppose. I don't hate the Iphone I'm more peeved at the misconception that it's the best on the market and nothing else come close to it.

Oh ya and I hate Itunes

Offline b_m_hart

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2011, 10:22 PM »
I'll pass on the xoom, I already have one android based phone that glitches out 24/7. Ive had my iPad for about a year now and use it everyday, yet I would not know. How to deal with a problem because I've never had one, to be honest I'm not quite sure how to turn this thing off o well I'll figure it out when I pick up the iPad 1.75

Which phone do you have?  If you're on a phone with anything but the base OS, odds are the glitch nature is due to the OEM software customization.  Pretty much all f them are terrible.

Offline b_m_hart

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2011, 10:32 PM »
Not trying to troll,serious question.

All you iOS-hating Android lovers, what can you do on your droid THAT YOU ACTUALLY DO that you can't do on iPhone/iPad?

I don't really care that I could theoretically do a ton of stuff that I have no functional use for.

I could remove the limiter on my car, but I don't ever go over 155 so who cares...

I find people, in general, who crap on apple stuff are all theoretical arguments of "yeah, but I can't do something." windows and android have limitations too, so you're being caprecious in your complaint selection unless it actually affects your stubborn  ;)

Well, until they added Verizon, I could make calls without dropping (literally) every minute.  I had an iphone (free, buddy works at Apple, he works on the touch screen stuff), and gave it back to him, cuz as nice as it was, it didn't matter due to its utter inability to function as its primary role - a PHONE.  I got a free android phone (wife works for the goog), and while it isn't quite as refined as the iphone, I can pretty much pick any carrier, and guess what?  I'm not locked to AT&T, and I don't drop calls (literally) every block as I drive through the city.

Offline GhostFist

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2011, 10:36 PM »
The question shouldn't even be what can android do that the iphone can't rather what can the iphone do that android can't, I'll tell you.. nothing

Offline billg71

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2011, 10:38 PM »
Not trying to troll,serious question.

All you iOS-hating Android lovers, what can you do on your droid THAT YOU ACTUALLY DO that you can't do on iPhone/iPad?
......

I use the iPhone 4, have no idea what an Android phone even looks like, but I'd like to be able to browse the flash-based sites that belong to a whole bunch of my photography friends. And a lot more sites out there that just flat don't work on an iPhone or iPad.

I could give a Southbound end of a Northbound Fido about Adobe and Apple's history. Whether Stevie J likes it or not, a WHOLE LOT of the content on the Web is based on Flash. Yes, it carries a heavy hardware overhead. Yes, it's vulnerable as heck to security breaches. But it's there and some of it I'd like to access on my mobile phone.

So Steve, suck it up and deal with it. It is what it is, Flash is here right now and other manufacturers don't seem to have a problem with it. It was a major player on the Internet before the iPhone idea trickled down your pantsleg. It wasn't a big deal until you made it one...

Noah, this is something I can't do on my iPhone that I could do on an Android phone(if I had any interest in getting one). It's something I'd do every day. I have friends that paid thousands of dollars to have websites developed around Flash. So now I need to tell them to spend thousands more to have their sites re-worked because SJ doesn't like Adobe and I can't see their sites on my iPhone??

I don't have a 'Droid but this is something that that I ACTUALLY DO every day that I can't do on an IOS device.

Hey, you asked....

Bill

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Offline WoodChuckWoods

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2011, 10:42 PM »
I'll pass on the xoom, I already have one android based phone that glitches out 24/7. Ive had my iPad for about a year now and use it everyday, yet I would not know. How to deal with a problem because I've never had one, to be honest I'm not quite sure how to turn this thing off o well I'll figure it out when I pick up the iPad 1.75

Which phone do you have?  If you're on a phone with anything but the base OS, odds are the glitch nature is due to the OEM software customization.  Pretty much all f them are terrible.

I have a htc hero not sure what the software is but it sucks, phone docent work right, I'll push on someones name and it will call someone else. Very very irritating, it does the same thing with texts sometimes, I'll send a text to my wife then my friend from out of state will text me back like what the hek are you talking about.oh and 3 different times I've picked my phone up off the charger and all my contacts were gone!!! Then people say it's my fault for not backing up my phone every five minutes, I call bs cause every phone I've ever had that's not android has never erased anything.
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Offline WoodChuckWoods

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2011, 10:46 PM »
The question shouldn't even be what can android do that the iphone can't rather what can the iphone do that android can't, I'll tell you.. nothing

How about work right all the time?
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Offline norwegian wood

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2011, 10:50 PM »
My fav complaint is you can't even change the battery lol.

Offline GhostFist

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2011, 11:31 PM »
Your Hero is an older model phone Android is smooth as silk in its current itteration

Offline Noah Nordrum

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2011, 12:15 AM »
I totally concede on the ability to make phone calls point... but that's more ATT than Apple (yes they partnered with them).

Whoopty do, you can customize everything. Do you run linux or windows? unless you run linux and build your own kernel, your argument is irrelevant.

Maybe your friends shouldn't have paid thousands of dollars for a stupid website that used flash... what is it 1999? Flash (except for games and video) is pretty much pointless these days with all the AJAX toolkits out there. And the video people are just clinging onto their old technology so they don't have to retool. Nobody with half a brain would develop something new that required flash unless they were getting a kickback from Adobe.

And regarding the "Bill Gates did a tablet in 2001", Apple had the Newton back in the day (which was WAY ahead of its time), and the iPad sold more units in 9 months and tablet pc did in 10 years. Tablet PC did have some traction in the Enterprise, but watch that diminish quickly as why would you deploy a $2k tablet pc when you can deploy a $500 iPad...
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Offline GhostFist

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2011, 07:37 AM »
My argument is not irrelevant, I run OSX and I'm able to customize my phone. Perhaps you don't think it's a big deal because you can't do it. I will say flashing custom ROMs is for  a more advanced user however the process isn't that difficult and the option is there should you need it. That really is the defining thing about Android vs iOS, options. You can CHOOSE your hardware, you can CHOOSE how the software runs. You can CHOOSE to use the huge amount of Flash based content here in 2011 where it's still very much alive.

The iPhone/ iPad are powerful and innovative devices, loads of people are very happy with them and that's great. My whole argument is more that Apple/iOS are not the be all and end all that people make them out to be. The competition has more options and a lot more development behind them.

Again to touch on Flash not that it's even the most important thing here. it would be like FESTOOL saying that their products would no longer work with MDF. MDF dust being as fine as it is tends to ruin motors on your powertools not to mention it's poisonous and as i understand not even legal to use in some places. FESTOOL obviously didn't take that approach but instead implemented state of the art dust collection and a rugged motor design. The problems surrounding MDF are no longer an issue. To say flash is bad for you and your an idiot if you use it is unacceptable IMO.

Offline builderbob

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2011, 07:39 AM »
Bill, here is the link for the Skyfire page. Perhaps it will work for your situation. I'm pretty sure it converts flash pages/videos into HTML5 via their server. Check it out and see!

http://www.skyfire.com/product/iphone

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Offline fidelfs

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2011, 07:45 AM »
Customize = Jailbreak. (Legal)
It is a knee jerk "but doesn't have flash" S....Ooooo  [mad]

I like Ipad, it works for me, it doesn't work for you.  Good, wil i change your mind. No. Will you change mine, No.

Apple provides what I need for work (and, yes, that is how I make my living.  I am a profesional and happy with apple).

I hate anything to do with windows, I like Linux, Unix, iOS, Mac OS X (Do you know is based in Unix?).  Even Adobe is working in a flash to HTML5 converter.  

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Offline GhostFist

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2011, 08:03 AM »
Jailbreaking and Flashing a custom ROM are not the same thing but it's a moot point. By all means pick what device serves you best, not everyone needs all that crap anyway. They're cell phones for crying out loud.

On a side note android is based off a linux kernel as well. ;D

Offline norwegian wood

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« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2011, 08:21 AM »

Again to touch on Flash not that it's even the most important thing here. it would be like FESTOOL saying that their products would no longer work with MDF. MDF dust being as fine as it is tends to ruin motors on your powertools not to mention it's poisonous and as i understand not even legal to use in some places. FESTOOL obviously didn't take that approach but instead implemented state of the art dust collection and a rugged motor design. The problems surrounding MDF are no longer an issue. To say flash is bad for you and your an idiot if you use it is unacceptable IMO.


Festool does do that. They do not offer a hardiboard blade and do not recommend cutting it with festools. And I once heard someone here once say that if you did it would void the warranty. And im sure there are many things they do not recommend the use of their tools for.
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Offline colinw

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2011, 08:30 AM »
There is a project going for flash on the iPhone and iPad at the moment I think it works only displaying flash web pages but they are working on video ..... It's called fash .....just for the record android phone running a custom gingerbread rom and iPad 4.2 jail broken.  Both are slick.

Offline fdengel

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #49 on: March 03, 2011, 12:12 PM »
I'm a big-time Mac fan, but I'm starting to like Apple somewhat less as a company.

They are putting too much focus on the iDevices, with their closed eco-system, and not enough on the real computers.

Then they go and announce a new version of OS X and boast fancy new features that makes it look more like a cell phone?  That's just stupid...


For the record, I do like my iPod Touch, but I would never be a developer for it because I hate the idea of having to go through Apple's processes and beg permission just to be able to run my own code on a device that I bought and paid for...

Offline fritter63

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #50 on: March 03, 2011, 12:33 PM »
I'm a big-time Mac fan, but I'm starting to like Apple somewhat less as a company.

They are putting too much focus on the iDevices, with their closed eco-system, and not enough on the real computers.

Then they go and announce a new version of OS X and boast fancy new features that makes it look more like a cell phone?  That's just stupid...


For the record, I do like my iPod Touch, but I would never be a developer for it because I hate the idea of having to go through Apple's processes and beg permission just to be able to run my own code on a device that I bought and paid for...


A couple comments on that as a long time software engineer who has only used Mac OS X for dev for the last 6 years....

First off, if you are writing iOS apps, you can certainly install them on your own iPhone and run it without having to go through the app store. It's only if you want to sell it to others that you have get it approved.

Secondly, from a development standpoint, there isn't any "new work" that is needed on the OS X platform. Let's not forget that "under the hood" (and in that "Terminal" app you have access to), OS X is just a old good friend, BSD Unix, and that platform hasn't really changed much on it's interface (command line) over the last 30 years. The platform is stable as heck, and when doing Java development work (which is what I do), it's the IDE that matters (I use Eclipse), not the actual Cocoa windows gui. I write my code using the IDE, then when I need to run it, I either run from the IDE, or I step out to a terminal window and run it from the command line using an Ant target. And the best thing is, that I can run some simple and small tests right here on my local machine, then when I need to run my full application (which takes upwards of 20 gigabytes of memory!), and log that terminal into a Dell mega-server running Linux, and type in the exact same commands to run.

So, I don't see where OS X is lacking in anything from a development standpoint. Those features have been mature on *nix systems for quite awhile. And no, I don't do Windows dev (unless it's Java apps).

As far as making OS X "look like a cellphone". Well, they're making that interface nice and simple, which is really what it should be. Don't forget, 99% of the people out there don't need a powerful interface. They need iOS or something like it.

Offline fdengel

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Re: Apple announces iPad2
« Reply #51 on: March 03, 2011, 03:22 PM »
You don't need to obtain one of those certificates or whatever to install each app?  I thought I'd read somewhere that there was a process of getting a certificate and installing it, and that they expired after a time?

Regardless, this is getting way off-topic...


If "99% of the people" really just need iOS or similar, then they can feel free to use it.  The OS X interface was simple enough already.  If the new features are options, great -- but more options technically add more complexity, not simplification.  If they ever become the only way (thus simplifying the interface), then there are a number of more professional users who will be quite upset, myself included.

Some of them make sense, but others would get in the way.


Again, I have an iPod Touch and use it quite happily.  I still view it as a closed eco-system as far as the software is concerned, but understanding that it is what it is...

It just feels like the whole thing has distracted Apple from making real progress with their computers.


By the way, I'm also a software engineer, but I don't write for iOS (obviously).  I do write software on my Mac, but not exclusively.